Bush agrees there is evidence of Aliens

Sirotnikov · February 4, 2003, 16:17

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Bush backs alien evidence (ananova)

George W Bush says there is mounting evidence to suggest there is alien life on other planets.

The US President used his budget document to declare that there may be "space aliens" to be discovered.

A passage entitled, "Where are the Real Space Aliens?", states that important scientific research over the last 10 years indicates that proof of "habitual worlds" in outer space is becoming more of a reality.

Evidence for the current or previous existence of large bodies of water, an essential element for life, has already been found on Mars and on Jupiter's moons.

Astronomers are also discovering planets outside of our solar system, including around 90 stars with at least one planet orbiting them.

The document says: "Perhaps the notion that 'there's something out there' is closer to reality than we have imagined."

What do you think?

Sirotnikov · February 4, 2003, 16:18

In the same light:

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Space centre to screen 'proof of UFOs' (ananova)

Images claiming to be proof of alien UFOs will be shown to members of the public at the National Space Centre later this month.

Hundreds of the objects were captured on film by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (Soho), a spacecraft a million miles from Earth observing the sun.

The glowing, saucer-shaped "craft" were apparently moving in a way that suggested intelligent control.

Nasa originally dismissed the images as being the result of a camera fault, and will not now comment on them.

But UFO investigators are convinced they are spacecraft flown by aliens.

Mike Murray, 54, a founder of the UFO group Euroseti, which is holding the exhibition at the Space Centre in Leicester, said: "Some of the pictures are real crackers. They are the archetypal flying saucers - disc-shaped objects with some kind of glow around them. Many have a pulsing light and leave a trail behind them."

Mr Murray, who has been interested in UFOs for 30 years, obtained the images from a Spanish businessmen who picked them up from Soho using a giant satellite dish at his home outside Barcelona.

Mr Murray said: "The first thing we did when we got the images was to speak to Nasa, who said it was a camera fault. But by enhancing the images we proved this wasn't the case."

He said Nasa then suggested the objects could be asteroids or comets - but this did not explain the way they appeared to move independently and make turns.

The images will be screened at the National Space Centre on the evenings of January 24, 25 and 26.

Sirotnikov · February 4, 2003, 16:21

And the final nail in the cauffin

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Clinton aide slams Pentagon's UFO secrecy
By Richard Stenger
CNN
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 Posted: 3:09 PM EDT (1909 GMT)

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Amateur video of glowing orbs in a strange formation over Arizona in 1997. Thousands of witnesses saw the so-called Phoenix Lights.

FACT BOX
President Jimmy Carter said he was among a group that saw a UFO in 1969. The object seemed as bright as the moon and changed colors, he said.

(CNN) -- One winter night in 1965, eyewitnesses saw a fireball streak over North America, bank, turn and appear to crash in western Pennsylvania. Then swarms of military personnel combed the area and a tarp-covered flatbed truck rumbled out of the woods.

Now a former White House chief of staff and an international investigative journalist want to know what the Pentagon knows, calling on it to release classified files about that and other incidents involving unidentified flying objects, or UFOs.

"It is time for the government to declassify records that are more than 25 years old and to provide scientists with data that will assist in determining the real nature of this phenomenon," ex-Clinton aide John Podesta said Tuesday.

A Pentagon spokesperson could not be reached for comment regarding the requests for information.

Despite earning little credence, cases of strange aerial phenomena that defy explanation abound -- whether witnessed by thousands of Arizona residents, commercial airline pilots or a U.S. president.

The new initiative is not setting out to prove the existence of aliens. Rather the group wants to legitimize the scientific investigation of unexplained aerial phenomena.

Podesta was one of numerous political and media heavyweights on hand in Washington, D.C., to announce a new group to gain access to secret government records about UFOs.

Specifically, the Coalition for Freedom of Information (CFI) is pressing the Air Force for documents involving Project Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly, clandestine operations reported to have existed decades ago to investigate UFOs and retrieve objects of unknown origins.

Mysterious case?
One of the most mysterious cases, the Kecksburg, Pennsylvania incident of December 5, 1965, is the first cited in the group's request for records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

Despite an official government story that the object was a meteorite, some eyewitnesses claimed that a military truck took an acorn-shaped object the size of a small car from the rural Pennsylvania crash site to an Air Force base in Ohio.

"We can't come up with a reason why this information is being withheld. The government won't even acknowledge that the incident took place but we know that it did," said Leslie Kean, a California-based freelance reporter who drafted the FOIA request.

In the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s, the government did take the UFO search seriously and top generals considered the pros and cons of informing the U.S. public, Kean said, citing top secret memos.

In 1969, however, the Air Force terminated Project Blue Book, concluding that no reported UFOs were threats to national security.

Paradoxically, Kean notes, the military continues to deny some requests for UFO information by citing national security concerns.

Trying to stamp out ridicule
Backed by the Sci-Fi channel, the CFI hopes to reduce the scientific ridicule factor in this country when the topic is UFOs.

"There's definitely evidence of strange phenomenon in the world. These are well documented," said Kean, who has written for The Nation, the Boston Globe and the International Herald Tribune.

"Most people don't think that there is evidence because they haven't look for it. There's such a little green men mindset in this culture. It's hard to work your way through that."

The CFI director Ed Rothschild also works for Podesta's public relations firm, PodestaMattoon, which is coordinating the new group at the behest of the Sci- Fi channel. He said the initiative was a call for serious investigation, not a publicity stunt for the cable network.

"The Sci-Fi channel has had an interest in [UFOs] for some time. The difference here is that they are focusing attention on the serious, factual side of the issue, and that scientists have not had a chance to thoroughly examine it," Rothschild said.

"Of course it could help programming. But Sci-Fi thought they had some resources they could bring to the table."

Az · February 4, 2003, 16:24

Well, one can say many things about Bush, but this is a brave act, imo.

smart? that's a different question.

ixnay · February 4, 2003, 16:25

Links!

chequita guevara · February 4, 2003, 16:26

I keep telling you he's an idiot, but does anyone listen, nooooooo.

Velociryx · February 4, 2003, 16:28

Az · February 4, 2003, 16:34

Che: do you think there is no extraterrestrial life?

The Mad Monk · February 4, 2003, 16:34

Regardless of what you may think, Che, I'm starting to believe that Bush is the most pro-space president since Nixon.

Ozz · February 4, 2003, 16:35

Bush is right,

What is an alien? Could be just some fungus growing
on a rock. As long as it's growing on off earth it
qualifies. It could even be originally from earth, if found
anywhere in the sol system.

Stefu · February 4, 2003, 16:43

Doesn't 'space alien' sort of suggest intelligent life, ie. sort of a kind which could visit here? Considering that the chances are there's no intelligent life anywhere near this planet (oh, spare the cracks about there being no intelligent life on this planet either - if we think there's no intelligent life here, then the word 'intelligent' has pretty much lost it's meaning), Dub's document is pretty poorly phrased - and will certainly set all the saucer morons in a tizzy. Saying 'extraterrestrial life' would have been dandy, but 'space aliens' sounds... well... stupid. Not that that's been a lacking quality in Dubya statements.

Sandman · February 4, 2003, 16:44

I'm gobsmacked. Just when I thought that the situation couldn't get any more screwed up.

If Iraq doesn't distract the voters, then wheel out ET. What next?

"Ma fellow Americans, we have uncovered new and convincing evidence that Saddam Hussein is the Anti-Christ."

Chemical Ollie · February 4, 2003, 16:44

And Clinton said there were germs on Mars... We still don't know, do we? And the Colombia crash won't speed things up.

I would pay more interest to your posts if it weren't for this line:

"Tuesday, October 22, 2002 Posted: 3:09 PM EDT (1909 GMT)"

If such a major scientific breakthrogh has been known for 3 months without having reached all major news channels and newspapers, it's probably a hoax.

SlowwHand · February 4, 2003, 16:46

Bush is from Texas.
He's well-aware of the existence of illegal aliens.

chequita guevara · February 4, 2003, 17:08

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Originally posted by Azazel
Che: do you think there is no extraterrestrial life?

The odds of there being no other life elswhere in the universe is so low as to be non-existent. There may be life in the water oceans of on Mars and some of the Jovian moons. In fact, given the presnece of life in almost ever environment on Earth, I'd be surprised if there wasn't life elsewhere in the Solar System.

But Bush said "space aliens," which implies intelligent beings. The galaxy is a rather inhospitable place, as it turns out. There's only a narrow band of stars that are far enough from the intense radiation of the galactic core and still close enough in that planets can be seeded with heavier elemtents that make life possible. The probablity that there is any intelligent life close enough to the solar system to have made visits here is incredibly low (assuming their technology is more advanced rather than being much lower).

If it's lower than ours, we aren't making contact any time soon. If it's higher than ours, and they are watching us, then they'd still be able to evade detection.

Velociryx · February 4, 2003, 17:11

IMO, the thread would have been more of a "draw" had it been titled:

Bush agrees, He IS an Alien!

-=Vel=-

chequita guevara · February 4, 2003, 17:12

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

orange · February 4, 2003, 17:18

It's a Democracy, you HAVE to vote for one of us!

::Ross Perot punches hat::

Az · February 4, 2003, 17:27

Che: well, I think that's what bush meant. I didn't see any talk of UFOs in the first quote.

Dauphin · February 4, 2003, 17:27

I believe there are extra-terrestial lifeforms, but they are not among us.

Velociryx · February 4, 2003, 17:31

Hah! And that only proves that my cover is still intact!

-=Vel=-

Wernazuma III · February 4, 2003, 17:55

In his BUDGET document? Does this guy really have nothing to do? Hell, he should use his scarce brain resources on more valuable stuff!

Sava · February 4, 2003, 18:58

I have a feeling that if you set up a sort of candid camera type of joke, you could get Bush to believe that the French are space aliens. He's just that stupid.

Sirotnikov · February 4, 2003, 18:59

What's the problem with the budget giving more funds to SETI type research?

Do you really think that it was bush himself who gave the question paragraph the title?

I was just suggesting, that this passage maybe more meaninful than we think, given the evidence of Clinton's Chief of Staff.

Inverse Icarus · February 4, 2003, 19:09

note he said "habitual" and not "habitable"

Hueij · February 4, 2003, 19:24

Do those aliens have WMD's? If so, good thing that Bush is on the lookout

Sava · February 4, 2003, 19:32

I would be against making contact with alien civilizations only for their own protection. Human beings have proven themselves to be conquerers. The last time an advanced culture made contact with an alien one on a "New World", the latter was ultimately exterminated and replaced with the country "Under God".

JohnT · February 4, 2003, 20:10

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

And you will be up against the wall as Traitors to the People when Kang engineers his successful revolution. All hail the Gloriously Munificient and Wise Kang!

Lonestar · February 4, 2003, 20:35

Yessireee. One more reason why The Demon Haunted World whould be required reading in American Schools.

Someone needs to send Bush a copy.

On the otherhand, if he produces a downed Alien Spacecraft, I will be one happy Sci-fi fan.

Sirotnikov · February 4, 2003, 21:31

I fear that the minute we meet an alien civilization which is similarly developed to ours, either we, or they, are going to be targetted as a slave population.