Annoucement read if you want (you may not want to), but do it why we are still alive.

Thorn · February 5, 2003, 19:54

You can take all kind of perspectives of the situation with Bush and his plans for punishing the "Axis of Evil."

Bush supporters would say that he is just trying to punish rouge states for bad behavior.

Whether or not you agree with war against Iraq there are several consequences that should have been discussed with him by his advisors. Or if they have, then we really have a manic at the helm of destruction of the world.

If the United States does not get the UN agreement on this matter, it will be disasterous beyond recognition.

Even from a liberal perspective the United States acting unilaterally will undermine all the progress in the past 50 years of creating a World Order admiss the natural state of political anarchy that has led to so many disasterous wars (see WW1 and WW2 for examples in last century).

Unfortunately Bush has made the major mistake of pushing the countries of Iran, Iraq, and most importantly North Korea with his accusations of them being the "Axis of Evil." In many aspects that would be accurate, but Bush's unpredictability leads to grave insecurity among these nations. In effect uniting them against the US. Furthermore Bush's policies in acted without regard to popular demand of the majority of the world is further fuel to this sense of insecurity. Recent actions of the Bush Administration isn't doing anything to illeviate the tension that surround the current nuclear crisis in North Korea, as reported by the New York Times, Bush is preparing 24 long range bombers for operation in North Korea. Which N. Korea sees as a preemptive to war.

If that wasn't enough it has come to my attention that North Korea is seriously considering signing a defense pact with Iraq in order to Thwart US aggression and according to them "retain World Peace." We've seen these kind of defense pacts before in the world, just see the disaster of world war I. China has assured the US that they will back North Korea if US aggression in the region leads to war. Bush is not likely to back down on his attack against Iraq (he is not a reasonable leader), and if the chain of events go right, first Iraq, then Korea, and then China will be at war with the US. Might as well throw in Russia too, lets have a whole big nuclear party [sarcasm]. Oh in case any of you care, if anyone survived they would call this World War III.

As a side note If Pakistan and India went to Nuclear War the fallout would lead to radiation levels equal to 950+ xray's per person on the EASTERN COAST of the US. Even if there was a limited Nuclear exchange between N. Korea and the US. and Korea ended up being destroyed, remember that Korea is much closer to the US in geography then India or Pakistan. So for a best case nuclear exchange that will be the result.

North Korea has Nuclear weapons that they can fire short range and fuel within 20 hours. Across the demilitarized zone they have enough artillery alone to wipe out Seoul and the 55,000 (yes there are more there than they say) US troops stationed there. That disaster alone would almost equal causualities of the entire Vietnam War. So even without a Nuclear War this could be a disaster way beyond 9/11.

I came across some information alleged to be have gotten from the Al Quida terrorist network that they are planning to use a rouge group of loyal US stationed troops to fire upon North Korea (thereby starting the war). As far as I am concerned I dreamt the information up, I cover up my internet trail so well for certain things that I can't find out where I was if I wanted to. I thought seriously of reporting this information to homeland security. Well I'm not going to, someone else can.

We have a President that is quite incompotent, occasionally funny with his terrible speaking ability, but this is no joking matter. I do not trust him, hell half of the country would argue that he wasn't even elected that he used the US political system to gain control.

I can't report this, we have Justice Department runned by basically a Nazi, I would trust Hitler more than I would trust Ashcroft. Furthermore thanks to public opinion and outrage after the 9/11 attacks Congress has carelessly passed legislation that beings the process of removing our freedoms and establishing a police state in this country. The Roman Republic didn't become a Dicatorship overnight mind you.

My talking about this alone is enough for the government to label me as a terrorist and lock me away for unknown amounts of time and not telling anyone, withholding my civil rights all thanks to the Patriot Act.

The fact that I don't agree with the Bush administration is enough for them to lock me away forever or worse. After all it was Bush himself that said "You're either with us, or with the terrorists!"

Plainly as the world isn't going to last much longer, and we have the most dangerous set of leadership in nations of the world since World War II, I have no confidence that I will live through this. The world is more dangerous right now than it has ever been during the Cold War. Do what you want with this thread, I suggest spending more time with the people that you care about as they probably won't be there much longer or you for that matter.

As no one listens to me and because I am going to die I just don't give a f-uck anymore.

Thank you for your time, and please don't waste anymore of your very shortened lifespan responding to this, spend it elsewhere.

Gangerolf · February 5, 2003, 19:58

wow

Ben Kenobi · February 5, 2003, 20:23

Darn! I thought we were getting a Christian apologetics, repent for the end of the world is near.

MattyBoy · February 5, 2003, 20:24

Gangerolf, where was that link again?
Maybe I don't need to worry about keeping my job after all

Main_Brain · February 5, 2003, 20:28

All WorldWars are started by Germans..
under Austria Pressure.

Guynemer · February 5, 2003, 20:29

EvC sighting +1!

Goingonit · February 5, 2003, 20:31

Yay! EvC! That was fun, wasn't it?

Dis · February 5, 2003, 20:39

aren't you supposed to be perma-banned?

Willem · February 5, 2003, 20:48

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Originally posted by Thorn

Thank you for your time, and please don't waste anymore of your very shortened lifespan responding to this, spend it elsewhere.

I think you need to get a grip!

Having grown up in the nuclear era (I was a child during the Bay of Pigs) I've seen your kind of hysteria before, even felt it myself at times. Well guess what? I'm still here, and so is the world. Worry about it only if it happens, there's no use destroying your life over sheer speculation.

Boris Godunov · February 5, 2003, 22:13

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Originally posted by Thorn
Bush supporters would say that he is just trying to punish rouge states for bad behavior.

Or maybe for cosmetics faux pas.

We love you, EvC!!!

Joseph · February 5, 2003, 22:55

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Originally posted by Thorn
You can take all kind of perspectives of the situation with Bush and his plans for punishing the "Axis of Evil."

Bush supporters would say that he is just trying to punish rouge states for bad behavior.

Whether or not you agree with war against Iraq there are several consequences that should have been discussed with him by his advisors. Or if they have, then we really have a manic at the helm of destruction of the world.

If the United States does not get the UN agreement on this matter, it will be disasterous beyond recognition.

How old are you?

orange · February 6, 2003, 01:51

man...just when I thought I was rid of EvCecil for the rest of my life...he comes back :sigh:

Jaguar · February 6, 2003, 02:10

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Originally posted by Joseph
How old are you?

Age doesn't have anything to do with common sense.

Felch · February 6, 2003, 02:16

It's certainly correlated.

Jaguar · February 6, 2003, 02:22

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Originally posted by Felch X
It's certainly correlated.

But it is not basis for an assumption about common sense. The first post of this thread is. That was what I meant to say. And a dumb statement is a dumb statement, regardless of other factors.

Kramerman · February 6, 2003, 03:02

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Originally posted by orange
man...just when I thought I was rid of EvCecil for the rest of my life...he comes back :sigh:

Who is this man, and how do you know this is he?

if the evidence is poor.... its a DL!

On topic:

dude, try and read more moderate stuff. Sounds like you've been spending a lot of time with far-fetched conspiracy theories and the like. Never the less, id calm down before you have a cardiac arrest, or stroke, or sink into the horrible black hole that is depression.

besides, even if, somehow, the worst happens (

) , humanity is a resiliant kind.

Kman

notyoueither · February 6, 2003, 03:12

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Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior

Age doesn't have anything to do with common sense.

Say that when you're 65. I dare you.

Thorn · February 6, 2003, 17:10

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How old are you?

I'm between 20-30. If you have a problem with my articulation, remember that I am writting a frantic state. I have no mood or tolerance for people that wish to ridicule me. Don't rile me up, I'm content with being mad (a rightfully so) at the Bush administration don't make the mistake of seeking my wrath!

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Who is this man, and how do you know this is he?

if the evidence is poor.... its a DL!

I've been here since early 1999, I have 5000 posts, but my current login is banned by Ming in a incident that I do not still agree with. I have seniority that far outweights you, and reputation to match.

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Or maybe for cosmetics faux pas.

Your contemptious eyeball from hell.

SlowwHand · February 6, 2003, 17:20

If nothing else, that rhetoric must surely have taken you a great deal of time.
I'm also sure the local authorities are thankful to ACS for helping contain you for that amount of time.

Well-done, ACS!

Ming · February 6, 2003, 17:33

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Originally posted by Thorn
Your contemptious eyeball from hell.

Continue making personal insults or threatening members, and this log on will be toast as well.

Bugs ****ing Bunny · February 6, 2003, 18:04

Message to Agent Von Christoph- Your cover is blown. Code red, repeat, Code red. The aliens are striking. Go to status mauve. Repeat- status mauve.

Sava · February 6, 2003, 18:21

I'm glad nobody thought the DL was me.

The situations Thorn describes are perfectly capable of occurring. It is a concern of mine, but it's stupid to play Chicken Little. If I were a betting man, I would not bet on anything like that happening.

Bush is still an a55hole though.

Jon Miller · February 6, 2003, 18:24

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Originally posted by Ming

Continue making personal insults or threatening members, and this log on will be toast as well.

come on ming, at least give him points (and a respite) for originality

I mean, eyeball from hell???

Jon Miller

Ming · February 6, 2003, 18:29

Hey... I have to respond to complaints

Thorn · February 6, 2003, 18:46

I file a complaint against the complainers against me. So there!

philippe666 · February 6, 2003, 18:54

Hmm very interesting first post but i do have some comment.
There will be no nuclear ecchange.Never.
We all remember tsjernobil(whatever) imagine 100s of them.I think even the maddest man who rules a country would never use massive nuclear arms.
And terrorists...Hey i think it must be REALLY tough to smuggle a nuclear arm in the US....
And if anyone asks me about my age,im 15 and i dont care if you see me as a little boy or so.I have my opinion and i will gladly share it but i would not want silly comments on it(+ remember English is not my first language)

Thorn · February 6, 2003, 19:11

I was doing some calculations about our Defense Budget, the amount of Reservists we have on ready, and about the current tactical spread of our Armed Forces in the world. Even if none of my scenarios come to pass except that North Korea goes to war with the United States there will be a need for the US government to call upon a Draft. Under most other administrations it would seem very unlikely to be supported but Bush does have a popularity rating in the 80s. So what does this mean? Once again young men will be taken from their homes in the US to fight in a ground war in Asia, and they will die all for the pride of their goverment and for the dollars running into to the pockets of the corporations. This here is a nasty picture indeed as well.

Another likely alternative is that China will invade North Korea and use this as an excuse to expand their forces in the region. However Bush would respond to this turn of events would be key to whether life on this planet will survive. Running Texas is a lot different then running the US, he should start acting like it is different.

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And terrorists...Hey i think it must be REALLY tough to smuggle a nuclear arm in the US...

Actually the Press did it (well radioactive material) just to show how vulnerable we are. They used our fairly unsecure shipping ports as the the method. I believe it was on CBS or NBC... not quite sure.

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We all remember tsjernobil(whatever) imagine 100s of them.I think even the maddest man who rules a country would never use massive nuclear arms.

The US has used them, and threatened to use them, and would use them, what makes the rest of the world any different?

philippe666 · February 6, 2003, 19:29

You know if you hit the Us with one the US invade and destroy your country,put a puppet regime in it and after 50 years screw it all up

Alexander's Horse · February 6, 2003, 19:30

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Originally posted by Thorn
I was doing some calculations about our Defense Budget, the amount of Reservists we have on ready, and about the current tactical spread of our Armed Forces in the world.

Amazing what you can achieve counting on your fingers.

Thorn · February 6, 2003, 19:48

YOU STUPID CONFOUNDED HORSE !!!!!! YOU DARETH ILLITATE ME!!!