Destroying the UN

Avaron · February 9, 2003, 09:23

Ok I’m in an interesting situation in my current game, to cut a long story short, me the most powerful civ along with 3 allied civ’s are at war with the Egyptians, anyway I’m suffering from major war wariness and I would like peace, there lies the predicament and the question: the Egypt has the UN, if I sign peace with them and betray my allies then, they wouldn’t back me in the UN vote, which Egypt wont call while at war.

The only option is to race to Thebes and burn it and the UN to the ground…. My question is this does the destruction of the UN, null the Vote? In addition, is it a true assumption to assume the Egyptians wont call a UN vote whiles at war with me and 3 other civs? and is it true to assume that if I break my alliances and sign a peace my allies wont vote for me?

Sheik · February 9, 2003, 10:39

The vote shouldn't happen if the U.N. is destroyed.
The Egyptians might call a vote they might not. It is sometimes hard to tell what the A.I. will do.
Breaking your alliance shouldn't hurt you all that much, though someone else will need to answer this one.

Avaron · February 9, 2003, 11:00

has anyone tested destroying the city with the UN in as a way to stop the vote from happening?

Naiveplayer · February 9, 2003, 20:40

I'm pretty sure that if you raze the UN you raze the chance for diplomatic victory. But you needn't to go so far. I think that if you just capture it you have the chance of vote in your hands.

TacticalGrace · February 11, 2003, 10:52

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Originally posted by Naiveplayer
I'm pretty sure that if you raze the UN you raze the chance for diplomatic victory. But you needn't to go so far. I think that if you just capture it you have the chance of vote in your hands.

and the risk of it flipping

TheStinger · February 12, 2003, 11:18

nuke em

Avaron · February 12, 2003, 13:57

i actually did nuke them, haha burned the UN down, haha funny the rest of the world didnt seam to mind me nuking the UN and killing all their diplomats.......

anyway im thinking a quest to destroy the UN might be a viable tactic in all my games for stopping the vote, sign alliances with most other civs against whoever builds it on the turn its built....

Traelin · February 12, 2003, 14:23

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Originally posted by Avaron
i actually did nuke them, haha burned the UN down, haha funny the rest of the world didnt seam to mind me nuking the UN and killing all their diplomats.......

anyway im thinking a quest to destroy the UN might be a viable tactic in all my games for stopping the vote, sign alliances with most other civs against whoever builds it on the turn its built....

Wow, I really hope the developers put in a MAJOR rep hit if you raze the city that has the U.N.

Jaybe · February 12, 2003, 14:27

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Originally posted by Avaron
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anyway im thinking a quest to destroy the UN might be a viable tactic in all my games for stopping the vote, sign alliances with most other civs against whoever builds it on the turn its built....

It ought to be much easier to just build it yourself!

Avaron · February 12, 2003, 15:56

yeah i usualy do, just got beat to it this time, made them pay though, as i say if another civ builds the UN before me then they are just drawing a target on there own heads!

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Originally posted by Jaybe

It ought to be much easier to just build it yourself!

badams52 · February 12, 2003, 18:07

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Originally posted by Avaron
i actually did nuke them, haha burned the UN down, haha funny the rest of the world didnt seam to mind me nuking the UN and killing all their diplomats.......

All the diplos probably returned to their own countries during the war.

steven8r · February 14, 2003, 15:39

Build the UN first to win peacfully.

If they beat you to it, Kill for peace!!!

nbarclay · February 15, 2003, 21:27

In my experience, breaking an alliance (or perhaps especially multiple alliances at once) at least can make your former allies Furious with you.

Datajack Franit · February 20, 2003, 16:56

PILLAGE AND RAZE!

Chemical Ollie · February 20, 2003, 17:30

Do like US: Ignore it. Or like France: Block it.

Beren · February 22, 2003, 10:17

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Originally posted by Traelin
Wow, I really hope the developers put in a MAJOR rep hit if you raze the city that has the U.N.

I won't see why? If Washington was razed, would you be mad because the UN was razed or because Washington was razed?

Fosse · February 22, 2003, 12:09

Actually New York which is where UN actually is... but yeah, Beren makes a good point. Razing is razing, and it's evil if there's a UN there or not.

Datajack Franit · February 22, 2003, 14:00

Why can't one just raze a wonder no matter what's around it?

Traelin · February 24, 2003, 09:04

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Originally posted by Beren

I won't see why? If Washington was razed, would you be mad because the UN was razed or because Washington was razed?

You would be mad for both reasons the way I see it. Diplomats from all countries would be present in the city with the UN, meaning that if that city was razed, citizens of all countries could be killed (and very influential ones at that).

Traelin · February 24, 2003, 09:05

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Originally posted by Fosse
Actually New York which is where UN actually is... but yeah, Beren makes a good point. Razing is razing, and it's evil if there's a UN there or not.

Razing is evil, but the world opinion would be even angrier in tone if some of their influential citizens were also killed.

ottok · February 24, 2003, 09:10

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Originally posted by steven8r
Build the UN first to win peacfully.

If they beat you to it, Kill for peace!!!

Same slogan use the dicktators,and now it use against them... from danger dictator to silence not wont war dictraktor.

Who want war?

USA!
GO OUT there!

Usa sucks!

Rasbelin · February 24, 2003, 10:01

Erhm, this thread isn't about the real world UN. It's about the UN in Civ III.

Ming · February 24, 2003, 10:07

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Originally posted by Rasbelin
Erhm, this thread isn't about the real world UN. It's about the UN in Civ III.

Yes... stay on topic. If you have real life political statements to make, the Off Topic Forum is the appropriate place to do so...

If you continue it here... I see some restrictions being handed out

pedrojedi · February 24, 2003, 21:05

ottok seems angry. Well, everyone does these days.

Razing UN should result in some deep, DEEP, but really DEEP restrictions to the player who did it. To the point of making victory much, much, MUCH more difficult, since everybody, including your own people, would probally refuse and protest this vile act.

Velho · February 24, 2003, 22:16

If you attempt to raze the UN they'll send the feared weapons inspector unit who will force your nukes to disband unless you keep moving them to a different city every turn.

Fosse · February 25, 2003, 02:24

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Originally posted by Velho
If you attempt to raze the UN they'll send the feared weapons inspector unit who will force your nukes to disband unless you keep moving them to a different city every turn.