February 11, 2003, 07:52
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And why is unemployment rising under Schroeder then?
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It was on exactly the same level under Kohl.
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February 11, 2003, 08:52
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So how real is the Green's threat to pull out of the coalition government? Is this just typical political infighting during a crisis or something more serious?
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February 11, 2003, 08:59
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lol ^
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February 11, 2003, 10:27
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germans have to drop this nazi stigma, and join the americans in world wide genocide. as long as they stay away form white people we'll look the other way for a while 
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February 11, 2003, 10:49
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Axis of Weasel, eurotwats... you guys must feel pretty mature now, huh?
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It is seeming more and more probable in my eyes that the German Prime minister is just apposing the US for his own political gain, Germany being rather anti-american and all, probably makes Shcroder look like a hero.
Anybody know his ratings or anything like that?
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US Media tends to catch trends by making irrelevant news really important,
often altering the viewpoint to pro-Bush.
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Not so "Bild", which is mentioned in the quote in the first post. "Bild" is yellow press at its worst, and I wouldn't give a wet fart about what they write.
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Bild? The same "news"paper which accused Janne Ahonen of masturbating and
watching porn just before performing his jumps, to boost testosterone ratings? 
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February 11, 2003, 10:53
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Not because of his foreign policy, but his lousy domestic policy.
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Well duh!  Even I knew that much. It is his foreign policy that has saved him so far. I was merely curious how backing away from every promise he has made so far save one has effected his party's approval ratings.
Is thier any chance of the SPD ousting Schröder?
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February 11, 2003, 11:12
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Is thier any chance of the SPD ousting Schröder?
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Not the slightest.
And I'm sorry if I tell you things you already know. I don't know how this could happen. Perhaps because you asked it?
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February 11, 2003, 11:16
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Bild? The same "news"paper which accused Janne Ahonen of masturbating and watching porn just before performing his jumps, to boost testosterone ratings?
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Well, if I would say yes, it would out me as "Bild" reader, wouldn't it?  I honestly don't know if they wrote this bull, but it would be "Bild" style at its best and so I think you're right. 
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February 11, 2003, 11:31
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"It is his foreign policy that has saved him so far."
It maybe won him the election by taking 1-2 % extra of the vote.
It does not save his ass now. You are hopelessly overestimating the role this plays, especially as the opposition only differs from him in a couple of rhetoric items.
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February 11, 2003, 11:32
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German diplomats are well aware that an American plan for a robust UN inspection system was floated last year and dropped, having drawn little international enthusiasm. A European reworking of that plan, drawn up without the consultation of the United States, would be seen only as an affront by Washington.
This just amazes me.
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February 11, 2003, 11:45
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I miss Helmut Kohl... 
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February 11, 2003, 11:54
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February 11, 2003, 12:03
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February 11, 2003, 12:03
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no one in Germany really doubts about Iraq producing WMD.
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schroeder and chirac do currently represent popular opinion in europe
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Then why was Chirac quoted in this morning's Washington Post as saying he has seen no evidence that Iraq even has WMD?
I happen to agree with Oedo's assessment that this could be resolved without a war. But statements like Chirac's' which appear to fly in the face of the facts as we know them, only serve to increase US concerns that, if left up to the EU, nothing would ever get done.
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February 11, 2003, 12:43
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The EU (well, rather part of the EU) peacenik stance is the reaction to the US warmonger stance. The first is certainly not genuine, the second might well be.
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February 11, 2003, 12:45
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I miss Helmut Kohl...
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Nobody here does that, so you can have him. 
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February 11, 2003, 14:07
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The EU (well, rather part of the EU) peacenik stance is the reaction to the US warmonger stance.
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When the US argues for war, (part of) the EU argues for sanctions, which fits either your theory or mine.
But when the US argued for sanctions, (part of?) the EU argued for doing nothing, which fits my theory but not yours.
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February 11, 2003, 14:37
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
How is Schroder's party likely to fare in a new election?
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The public opinion can be influenced easily.
(Unfortunately, the German media work quite against Schröder in the moment.)
The Schröder government isn't really bad.
If the CDU was at the power, the situation would be even worse in Germany.
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February 11, 2003, 16:16
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I'm sorry, but I don't think anybody answered my first question. If the Greens pull out of the government, would the Christian Democratic party have an opportunity to form a new government or must elections be called?
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February 11, 2003, 16:22
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No, if Schröder would be able to form a new coalition or decides to try it alone (without a majority), which probably wouldn't last long. Otherwise new elections would be called.
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February 11, 2003, 16:40
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So what's the most likely result in the short term--
1) The SPD and Greens patch things up and stumble along a while longer,
2) A Grand Coalition government between the SPD and Christian Democrats,
3) New elections,
4) something else?
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February 11, 2003, 16:47
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So is it true that Gerhard's popularity is down to 25%? That's sad. All of his anti-American pandering and he still can't break through in the polls.
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February 11, 2003, 16:47
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I would say 1) ... I think ...
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February 11, 2003, 16:51
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So what's the most likely result in the short term--
1) The SPD and Greens patch things up and stumble along a while longer,
2) A Grand Coalition government between the SPD and Christian Democrats,
3) New elections,
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Option 1) hands down. No chance the Greens leave the coalition. They already "swallowed" bigger "toads" (a saying), like the German participation in the war in Yugoslavia and others. They are a bit miffed, but will no doubt give in in the end.
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February 11, 2003, 17:05
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I agree the SPD and Greens will most likely try to continue as best they can, but this incident almost certainly increases the likelihood that new elections will be needed sooner.
It looks like the Greens are stuck with the SPD. Is there any chance they'd ever join a Christian Democratic government? And for that matter, would the Free Democrats ever join an SPD government?
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February 11, 2003, 17:05
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Wrong, genius.
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February 11, 2003, 17:06
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How do you guys in Germany feel about the proposal that you and the French have dual citizenship?
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February 11, 2003, 17:11
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IMHO the greens would earn much respect if they stepped down right now. (No loss in popularity for them so far and if they leave the coalition, Im sure they would gain a few percent in future elections).
Unfortunatly the only possibel following option is a cdu lead government... (which is not exactly in the greens interest )
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February 11, 2003, 17:15
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@MBD both unlikly
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February 11, 2003, 17:21
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Then what's to be gained by stepping down now? Even if they force a new election, and they gain a couple of percentage points in the results, their gains would probably come at the expense of the SPD, with whom they're pretty much forced to rejoin in the government, so everybody would be right back where they were.
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