The Creativity of 2 x 2 - Page 4

StrategicKingMi · February 19, 2003, 00:40

I believe I described that game Deity Dude extremely accurately. The point is, how did you out play me in that game?????? YOU DID NOT... Did I quit, yeap, it was boring, would I have lost if we played another 20-30 hours? probably, thats one reason why I quit. Am I "over it" , it never bothered me, other then 3 hours of my life Ill never get back, it just confirmed everything I already knew about 1 x 1 deity. Did I say I was better then you, no. Did I describe some tactical supuriority I used in that game to cut you off from most of the board , gathering most of the huts and destroying your incoming forces, every damn one within 25 squares of one of my citys, yes, exactly what happened..
Sorry if I dont find not opening huts as a strategy to consitant victories.

Ming · February 19, 2003, 00:46

See rule 3

War4ever · February 19, 2003, 00:54

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Originally posted by HappySunShine
I already authorized you moron. I await your next lame attempt at an excuse.

IC you saw Daredevil on the weekend

your rollplaying a superhero again

according to my icq, you show as "awaiting authorization" as i claimed

which is why i never see you online......and i do believe you asked me once .....and i do repeat once.....for a game....that was on the first or second day this thread was started...

or at least the first day you showed up....so once again, no one is ducking anyone.....look before you leap Daredevil, its a long way down

atawa · February 19, 2003, 02:14

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Originally posted by StrategicKingMi
I believe I described that game Deity Dude extremely accurately. The point is, how did you out play me in that game?????? YOU DID NOT...

Sounds to me like you outplayed yourself by using 2x2x-king tactics in a 1x1x Deity game.

Instead of going for that all-important early mon you went for rapid expansion and huthunting, witch in itself is fine but you might want to wait opening most of them untill after you get a decent gouvernment

StrategicKingMi · February 19, 2003, 03:38

Again, read above , Atawa.... a pal of mine, by the way...
"I dont consider not opening huts a strategy to consitant victories."

Ming · February 19, 2003, 03:45

It's not a matter of "IF" you open the huts... more a matter of "WHEN"

Sure, you always take the early huts. But once you have a few units, you start paying attention to where you are on the science path, and what a "free" science will do to you.

Sometimes it's better to leave the huts near you until the right time, and let your searchers go find some farther away. There is nothing worse than taking a hut one or two turns before being able to select a science that will give you a better government, only to have it take you off the path.

I'll delay opening a hut a turn or two if I'm close to being able to take monarchy.

It's all strategy and timing...

DrSpike · February 19, 2003, 05:50

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Originally posted by Ming

It's all strategy and timing...

But those factors are only needed in rookie's games, as explained in rule 3. If you are going to progress you need to understand the rules Ming.......after all, you wrote them.

If you pop too many huts in 1x1x with no thought as to the consequences and it screws you over, you deserve to lose, especially if you aren't willing to fight it out.

DrSpike · February 19, 2003, 05:53

Hmm, by strat's own tacit admission, you require more consideration with 1x deity hut popping than 2x king......you can't just pop and hope you get an easy path to victory. Which setting was for rookies again?

jes · February 19, 2003, 07:53

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Originally posted by Ming
How to be a "THE GREATEST CIV PLAYER IN THE WORLD"
As can be written just by reading the fine forums at Apolyton

1) If you get off to a bad start, no matter what the reason, just quit and say you didn't really lose.

2) Never mention when other people actually beat you

3) If somebody does beat you, just claim that the settings they made you play on are only for idiots and morons, and claim you could have beaten the person on the settings of your choice

4) And if that doesn't work... call them a **** loser and accuse them of lying.

5) Any time you lose, just say it was bad luck and not really a loss. If you win, always claim it was skill, and not your opponents bad luck

6) If all else fails... cheat.

So there you have it. You too can be an instant expert at civ. And the best part about it is, you don't even really need any actual skill

*this message brought to you by The Apolyton Get a Life Foundation*

good work, ming, i see you know me very well and my tactics of playing

only point 6 is nonsense: normally i cheat in normal games too - but nobody knows :R

the only think i lack is: im not the greatest player of the world

:weep

greetings jes

Ming · February 19, 2003, 10:15

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Originally posted by DrSpike
But those factors are only needed in rookie's games, as explained in rule 3. If you are going to progress you need to understand the rules Ming.......after all, you wrote them.

Good point... but I also see a little bit of rule 5 coming into play here as well

OH, and Hi jes... welcome to the MP forums

rah · February 19, 2003, 10:49

Let me add rule 7.

Always have a few anonymous icq accounts so you can join games anonymously. Then when you win, you can unmask and claim your greatness, and when you lose you can make up a new anonymous icq account.

Ming · February 19, 2003, 11:19

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Originally posted by rah
Let me add rule 7.

Always have a few anonymous icq accounts so you can join games anonymously. Then when you win, you can unmask and claim your greatness, and when you lose you can make up a new anonymous icq account.

Do people really do that

jes · February 19, 2003, 11:21

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Originally posted by HappySunShine
King: happiness level of 4
Deity: Happiness level of 2

Now lets do some really simple math. Your first warrior on deity may go out and do exploration. But you must use your other units to keep the city happy. You really have no choice in the matter but to continually add units to your city in order to keep it happy. That means a slower expansion speed and a practically useless horserush. In fact, there's really no such thing as a rush on deity which is the real reason those of lower integlligence play it. No rush means the mentally challenged will have a chance to play sim city for a bit before any war starts. Then they'll sit there and say "Oh civ isn't a war game there's much better war games out there". Well civ also isn't sim city you stupid ****. I must remind myself to take pity on those less fortunate than me who are not blessed with an above average intelligence. Lets compare the strategies of 2x2x King to the strategies of 1x1x Deity. The size 5 city strategy is an example of how to lose no matter what setting. That's the only strategy I know of in 1x1x, there really hasn't been anything gound breaking that has been written. Take a look at my strategies that are on like 3 different sites, enough said. I also seem to remember some moron saying that 1x1x is what everyone plays, even on the zone? Not even close. Every ladder ever made was based on 2x2x duels, the zone is ALL 2x2x. Only place 1x1x is played is here among the lesser players who weren't able to take it on the zone. We run into people like you in age of empires all the time with titles on their rooms like "no rush" or "no attack before imp". We've even created a word for your kind, ROOKIE. If we were to have an apolyton vs zone tournament, do you really think you would win? I've beaten majority of you on 1x1x, and alot of you even on deity. Lets face it, you all suck and I have proven it over and over again. So go ahead and reply with your lame comments like "goes to get the popcorn", you only portray yourselves as the useless little geeks that you are.

On 1x1x you'll never be able to take 1 of my cities, it's just that simple. Even with suntzu and Lighthouse combined Markus was able to take my capital and that was all. He still got spanked horribly because I got all the happy wonders and Magellans, cancelled out the lighthouse and completely owned him. Why? Because defending on 1x1x is easy, too easy.

hm, i dont know you, HS, but i think, many of what you wrote is wrong:

- you can explore in diety and leave your city alone. just take 40% luxery.
- there is a ladder in germany where we play 1x1x diety
- rookies easly lose in 1x1x diety
- just play us, e.g. max or me, or both in a 3-way game in sim-modus, no cooperation alloewd of course, and you will loose cities, believe me.

www.civ2.org/liga/main.php

hehe, will i get to know you?

rah · February 19, 2003, 12:20

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Originally posted by Ming
Do people really do that

Once Eyes was reiterating how much I sucked

when I just happened to state that I had never played him before so what was he basing his opinion on. His response was that he had played me under an assumed name and kicked my butt. You can do the math.

RAH

Ming · February 19, 2003, 12:28

Yeah... it makes you wonder why some people have so many different alliases...

Nahhh... It's obvious why some people need them

HappySunShine · February 19, 2003, 15:02

First of all, I don't use ICQ. It sucks. Second of all, there are no games to smurf into. Third, I play AOC. Fourth, I'm willing to take the time to beat the **** out of you war. Jes raising your luxury rate to 40% is just plain stupid.

Ming · February 19, 2003, 15:11

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Originally posted by HappySunShine
First of all, I don't use ICQ.

Uhhhh.... you used it in the not so distant past... what happened, won't they give you any more different handles

jes · February 19, 2003, 16:11

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Originally posted by HappySunShine
Jes raising your luxury rate to 40% is just plain stupid.

yea, words of wisdom, but only words. will you give me a chance to learn from you in a real game? im sure you wont talk about that after the game

DrSpike · February 19, 2003, 16:17

A real master wouldn't overlook a challenge like that. :stir:

Ming · February 19, 2003, 16:19

Ahhh... time for rule 8

Never play somebody you think can beat you. Make excuses, dodge, hide, ignore, say you don't play their settings, or blame the other person as the reason why you haven't played... whatever it takes to avoid playing somebody who might be able to hand you a loss

rah · February 19, 2003, 16:20

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Originally posted by rah
Yes, I really would like a straight answer to the question of when exactly was the last time he played.

And still waiting.

HappySunShine · February 19, 2003, 16:45

Jes I am EyesOfNight. We have played many times. I'm not going to waste my time on a deity game.

Ming · February 19, 2003, 17:03

See rule number 8

Hydey · February 19, 2003, 17:27

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Originally posted by HappySunShine
I'm not going to waste my time on a deity game.

=

DrSpike · February 19, 2003, 17:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Ming
See rule number 8

I have a feeling the rules will stick around for a while........maybe we could keep them as a Rah rules humourous annexe.

CW?

Besides it was clearly rule 3.

Ming · February 19, 2003, 18:00

Maybe it needs it's own thread.

War4ever · February 19, 2003, 21:47

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Originally posted by HappySunShine
Jes I am EyesOfNight. We have played many times. I'm not going to waste my time on a deity game.

lets break these three sentences down and examine them shall we class.....

"Jes I am EyesOfNight."

translation, I am a former civ legend who doesnt play anymore but feels the need to change my handle b/c otherwise people won't talk to me.....

"We have played many times."

translation, i whipped you but you had no clue b/c i was using an alias, then another alias, then another......

"I'm not going to waste my time on a diety game."

translation, i suck when the skill of managing ones population comes into play.......

StrategicKingMi · February 20, 2003, 00:01

Huts can give you any thing, at any time. I dont beieve there is any way to control or predict them. Of course any moron, 1 or 2 turns from monarchy or republic wont open a hut til he gets that option or if in jepordy of missing an Oedo year.
If you by pass huts near by you, and I get 50 or 100 gold or a city, or an archer for disband, I have 2 citys on the board using the settler factory and you have already lost the game most of the time as you wont over run my citys which is the only fear I have in using this tactic in a 2 move game. I get a couple horseman you a couple techs, game over on any setting..
So, if we play for money Ming, and play multiple games, PEASE dont open huts I need more money cause I am a greddy capitaist.

Ming · February 20, 2003, 00:12

You should learn to read... I never said I don't open huts... I said it's a matter of when.

Oh... and what barb level do you play. Let me guess, you play village level because you are too afraid to play with random events that might hurt your one trick pony strategy

Heaven forbid you should play raging hordes and be forced to defend yourself instead of just leaving your cities open while you do your predictable horse rush. I'm right aren't I. You play at all the wimp levels... don't you

HappySunShine · February 20, 2003, 03:11

Amazing how everything the apolytoners find challenging is provided by the AI. Raging hordes, deity, etc. Makes you wonder why they don't just play SP. Apparently seeing who can race to HG the fastest takes skill.