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View Poll Results: Most Socially Progressive Nation.
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United Kingdom
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Germany
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United States
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Sweden
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Finland
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Canada
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Norway
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Bannana Republic, or a REAL nation not listed (let us know about it)
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February 15, 2003, 01:01
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What do you consider to be the most progressiven nation?
By progressive, I mean based on how far a nation has gone to address societal problems, ensuring justice, distribution of wealth without destroying the incentive for individual ambition, and ensuring equal rights for all citizens regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, religion, and sexual orientation.
I suppose there really is no stopping people from voting purely on patriotic grounds, but could you TRY to look at facts about another nation, that you do not live in before voting?
If after doing that, you decide to vote your own country for other than patriotic reasons, that's fine.
At this point, I really can't decide -- maybe after I hear from Apolytoners from around the world, I can decide.
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February 15, 2003, 01:12
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February 15, 2003, 01:14
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Ok -- on what grounds, Odin?
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February 15, 2003, 01:22
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Hmmm, state mandated and generally accepted multiculturalism, gay marriage, universal health care, yet still a capital driven economy, and probably a few other things. Yup, Canada. 
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February 15, 2003, 01:26
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Norway,
We were looking at a UN development index the other day and I think they were the highest. They also have the highest GDP per capita.
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February 15, 2003, 01:27
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Ok -- on what grounds, Odin?
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It is strongly Socialist. 
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February 15, 2003, 01:29
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Hmmm, state mandated and generally accepted multiculturalism, gay marriage, universal health care, yet still a capital driven economy, and probably a few other things. Yup, Canada.
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Sounds good to me. 
But with gay marriage -- obviously you mean secular, civil unions, since religious demominations cannot be forced by governments to change their positions, no matter how wrongly based they are.
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February 15, 2003, 01:30
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They also have the highest GDP per capita.
No they don't.
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February 15, 2003, 01:30
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Odin,
it's not because you're Swedish is it?
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February 15, 2003, 01:30
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"What do you consider to be the most progressiven nation?"
I take it you think Germany? 
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Norway,
We were looking at a UN development index the other day and I think they were the highest. They also have the highest GDP per capita.
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How accurate does GDP represent true wealth distribution within a nation though?
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Sounds good to me.
But with gay marriage -- obviously you mean secular, civil unions, since religious demominations cannot be forced by governments to change their positions, no matter how wrongly based they are.
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Certain churches in Canada accept them and will perform rituals. And get this, they have female priests!
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February 15, 2003, 01:32
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They also have the highest GDP per capita.
No they don't.
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I didn't count Luxenburg.
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February 15, 2003, 01:32
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
"What do you consider to be the most progressiven nation?"
I take it you think Germany?
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Actually, that is a typo -- it would be a nice favor of Ming if he would correct that. 
Now that you posted in here Boris, what is your opinion?
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February 15, 2003, 01:34
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How accurate does GDP represent true wealth distribution within a nation though?
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I just remember learning that they have good social programs there. True it doesn't have anything to do with distribution, but it could be a sign of good opportunity for people.
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February 15, 2003, 01:35
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I didn't count Luxenburg.
Use the PPP numbers.
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How accurate does GDP represent true wealth distribution within a nation though?
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You compare the mean (average) income with the median income. The closer the more even.
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 I knew someone would pick the US. Probably DanS
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February 15, 2003, 01:38
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ok, Urban Ranger
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I didn't count Luxenburg.
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Why, because that makes the US look better?
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Real wages and employment rate would be good.
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Sweden and the Netherlands. I'd rather live in Sweden, though.
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February 15, 2003, 01:41
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Why, because that makes the US look better?
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Stop in your tracks right there -- he might have had a legitimate, objective reason and even without knowing his reason, you're assuming it's a chauvinistic reason.
Let's try to refrain from making this an anti-American thread, or anti-any nation thread, for that matter.
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Sweden and the Netherlands. I'd rather live in Sweden, though.
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why?
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I'd say the US, just because the US has the least amount of wealth transfer programs, and thus, relatively speaking, more justice.
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DF,
Oh transfer payments. Like interest on government securities?
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because ideologically it's right in line with my views, has a high standard of living, hasn't been in a war in nearly two centuries, and takes care of its citizens effectively. It is a living breathing example of how social democracy CAN work.
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Stop in your tracks right there -- he might have had a legitimate, objective reason and even without knowing his reason, you're assuming it's a chauvinistic reason.
Let's try to refrain from making this an anti-American thread, or anti-any nation thread, for that matter.
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I'm American. But I'm just trying to get a reaction out of him. America has a lot of points, but to say it's the most progressive nation is quite a stretch. You know he was asking for some flack.
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No, as in transferring my money to someone who didn't earn it.
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No, as in transferring my money to someone who didn't earn it.
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if, when you get older, you become unemployed - will you file for and accept welfare checks?
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