Proposal. Remove U.S. Military Members. - Page 2

Lancer · February 16, 2003, 16:29

Can't answer my question?

Jaakko · February 16, 2003, 16:32

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Originally posted by Lancer
Can't answer my question?

Jesus H Christ, how can you do these little semantics games? No, I do not believe Europe is done with war.

Now, would YOU answer my question, and thus make your own argument. Which war is being postponed by the US troop presence in Europe? Where is the link?

Nubclear · February 16, 2003, 16:33

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Originally posted by Lancer
Can't answer my question?

I do hope that once America is done with its Ego trip, it'll learn to fix its public education systems....I believe that it would be for the better.

DinoDoc · February 16, 2003, 16:38

Damn! A thread like this would have to appear while I'm away from my books.

Jaakko · February 16, 2003, 16:40

What books?

Lancer · February 16, 2003, 16:40

Jakko, the one you just said could happen.

Jaakko · February 16, 2003, 16:41

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Originally posted by Lancer
Jakko, the one you just said could happen.

So you never had any intention of making a coherent argument? This is what I hate about Apolyton, everyone's either a troll or a blithering idiot.

Lancer · February 16, 2003, 16:44

Well Jaakko, take comfort in the fact that you're not a troll.

DinoDoc · February 16, 2003, 16:45

This will have to do for now. I can give more support for the arguement when I get back to my dorm room.

Ming · February 16, 2003, 16:45

HEY... discuss the issues, NOT THE MEMBERS!

Buck Birdseed · February 16, 2003, 16:47

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Originally posted by Lancer
Jakko, the one you just said could happen.

So basically what you're implying is that us savage and bloody-minded europeans, warlike creatures that we are, would have gotten involved in a vast transcontinental war ages ago were it not for the pacifying precence of the kind-hearted, peace-loving american troops?

Buck Birdseed · February 16, 2003, 16:49

I love Realists. Possibly the most ironically labelled IR theory in history.

Jaakko · February 16, 2003, 16:52

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Originally posted by Lancer
Well Jaakko, take comfort in the fact that you're not a troll.

That's so predictable, I could see it coming a mile away. Kind of replying "ya momma" to every insult you get.

Why not put some effort into those trolls, big boy?

Ted Striker · February 16, 2003, 16:52

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Originally posted by Buck Birdseed

So basically what you're implying is that us savage and bloody-minded europeans, warlike creatures that we are, would have gotten involved in a vast transcontinental war ages ago were it not for the pacifying precence of the kind-hearted, peace-loving american troops?

YES

Ming · February 16, 2003, 16:53

Hey Jaakko... what part of my post did you NOT UNDERSTAND.

Jaakko · February 16, 2003, 16:56

From Dino's link:

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But if the power structures that are now in place in Europe and Northeast Asia are benign, they are not sustainable for much longer. The most likely scenario in Europe is an eventual American exit coupled with the emergence of Germany as the dominant state. In effect, the region will probably move from its present bipolarity (with the United States and Russia as the poles) to unbalanced multipolarity, which will lead to more intense security competition among the European powers.

A bald assertion? That's all he's got? Honestly, no matter which side you're on, this is the epitome of crapulent scholarship. It sucks so much it's forming into a singularity.

Do you really form your geopolitical view on utterly unsupported statements, Dino?

Jaakko · February 16, 2003, 16:58

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Originally posted by Ming
Hey Jaakko... what part of my post did you NOT UNDERSTAND.

Sorry Ming, I didn't consider that as an insult. After all, he'd pretty much conceded all reasonable debate (however arrogant we were behaving towards each other, doesn't matter). I mean come on, when it comes to trollish banter, his remark was a predictable one.

Don't tell me Horsey doesn't get away with the same every day he posts here.

DinoDoc · February 16, 2003, 16:59

What do you expect from a 500 word article when all of the sources are in the book?

Buck Birdseed · February 16, 2003, 17:02

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Originally posted by Ted Striker

YES

You don't think, say, the coagulation of western europe because of the immintent threat picture of the Cold War, the European Union, the common colonial interests, the profitability of not going to war, the non-rearmament of Germany until the sixties, the UN, Internationalisation, Globalisation, Cultural imperialism, modern media and education, increased interdependence, stable democracies, Unifying mass parties, etc. etc. might have had something to do with it?

Ted Striker · February 16, 2003, 17:02

Not really.

Ming · February 16, 2003, 17:03

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Originally posted by Jaakko
Don't tell me Horsey doesn't get away with the same every day he posts here.

Not AFTER a warning he doesn't...

Keep it up and a chill will be in order for you.

Buck Birdseed · February 16, 2003, 17:03

Oh. Okay.

Jaakko · February 16, 2003, 17:04

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
What do you expect from a 500 word article when all of the sources are in the book?

Then you should have waited until you had your books. Now it just looks like that professor took his knowledge of politics from the side of a milk carton.

I'll wait.

Jaakko · February 16, 2003, 17:05

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Originally posted by Ming

Not AFTER a warning he doesn't...

Keep it up and a chill will be in order for you.

No need. I always stop when I'm told.

SlowwHand · February 16, 2003, 17:05

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000

I do hope that once America is done with its Ego trip, it'll learn to fix its public education systems....I believe that it would be for the better.

I won't go into how remarkably ironic THIS statement is.

DuncanK · February 16, 2003, 17:05

Buck,

You have to admit that they have preformed a service. Still it might be time for their service to end.

DinoDoc · February 16, 2003, 17:06

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increased interdependence

What does that have to do with anything? It isn't like economic interdependence staved off WWI. [/nitpicking]

Buck Birdseed · February 16, 2003, 17:07

He's a Realist, whaddya expect? They have a tendency to warp any inconvenient facts (like stability) into immintent threats of war in order to satisfy their highly dubious formalised structure of state interaction. This guy seems worse than most, too- at least the vast majority seem to have adapted their theory somewhat in the last fifty years or so, and would concede common european strategic interests at the very least.

JimmyCracksCorn · February 16, 2003, 17:08

Tassadar5000:

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This coming from an AMERICAN TEXAN!!!! Thats just great.

You ****ing bigot.

Jaakko:

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So you never had any intention of making a coherent argument? This is what I hate about Apolyton, everyone's either a troll or a blithering idiot.

Ok, its obvious English isn't your first language as your miscomprehension of Sloww's original argument is the main cause of the misunderstanding and your little hissy-fit. So I'll sum up his argument now, slooooooowly.....

Sloww thinks that US troops should be withdrawn from European (etc) countries. He thinks that by stationing troops in Europe (at the US's expense), it allows those host countries to spend money they would otherwise spend on defense on other things. By removing troops, those countries are more or less on their own. He never said there was a war being "postponed", but in the event of any kind of threat (whenever or whatever that may be), those countries would have to rely more heavily on their own capital (which means money in english) rather than mooching under the American safety net.

Clearer?

SlowwHand · February 16, 2003, 17:09

Yeah, Germany is about due to show their ass.
Isn't it roughly every 50 years or so?

France can dig themselves out this time.
ONLY a "for instance".