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View Poll Results: What is your opinion about the Iraque Conflict
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Sadam is good, Bush is evil. No war, no sanctions and all will be fine
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Sadam is bad but Bush is worse. No war, no sanctions
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Both Sadam and Bush are evil. Ignore the yanks let the French lead the world
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Sadam is evil, he gets one more last change. If he fails we'll talk about it again.
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Sadam is evil, I wish we could solve it peacefully but I doubt it.
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Sadam is evil, There's no possibility in a peacefull solution eventhough I would prefer that. Let's attack.
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Sadam is evil, Bush is right on most things. Follow him but keep paying attention.
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Sadam is evil, Bush is our great leader. We should follow him with no questions.
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Bush is a *****, nuke Iraque right now. Peace is for softies.
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Bush and Sadam are bananas. Let's eat them and solve the problem.
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February 17, 2003, 05:44
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Finally a GOOD poll about Iraque / war / pacifism
Polls like "Do you want a war......." and "Do you prefer peace" suck big time.
Everybody who "loves a war against iraque" must be completely out of his mind. There are many people though who think that "a war against iraque" is the best out of all bad options.
I guess you must be completely crazy as well to be both in favour of peace and Sadam.
There are people who hate sadam, but still prefer peace.
They must have been watching the tv with shame last saturday when Aziz (Iraque vice-president) said thanks to them.......
That's why I created this complete poll.
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February 17, 2003, 05:56
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Let's lead the world ! Chirac can do BS as easily as Bush, theres no reason ! 
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February 17, 2003, 06:34
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You missed one option: Saddam is evil and W. is stupid.
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February 17, 2003, 06:57
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I would have voted for the option: Saddam is evil but his regime won't last forever so just leave it alone unless he starts the shooting (again).
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February 17, 2003, 07:06
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stupid polls
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February 17, 2003, 07:11
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Bad poll. It's all about realpolitik. Yet you introduce all these irrelevant and confusing emotional characteristics as "bad", "evil", etc. Tassadar's poll is better. 
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February 17, 2003, 07:32
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Saddam = Evil and Greedy, but somewhat clever.
Bush = Stupid and Greedy, but not all that evil.
Cheney = Evil, Greedy, Clever, but fat.
Rumsfeld = Evil, Greedy, Stupid
France = Greasy, Cheese-Eatin' Surrender Monkeys!
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February 17, 2003, 10:26
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February 17, 2003, 11:41
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"Sadam is evil, Bush is right on most things.
Follow him but keep paying attention."
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February 17, 2003, 12:30
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Sadam is evil, I wish we could solve it peacefully but I doubt it.
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February 17, 2003, 12:32
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Saddam is evil, but Shrub is stupid. Or evil.
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February 17, 2003, 17:38
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I would have voted for the option: Saddam is evil but his regime won't last forever so just leave it alone unless he starts the shooting (again).
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I think that's one of the first options.
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February 17, 2003, 17:41
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You forgot the option of this poll sucks because you don't have the option of letting Ming ban Saddam and Bush to mingapulco for a free lifetime stay in the smallest cells available
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February 17, 2003, 17:55
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Saddam is evil, but it is none of our business, unless he attacks us, therefore no war, no sanctions. If we wish to impose rules against him, we should have the same rules for eveybody. For instance, if he's not allowed ICBMs, why should we have them? Maybe Saddam believes in MAD, and wants to have a safety net so he can be sure that the West won't nuke him.
Bush is just trying to force his morals onto others. I don't see why Bush's morals are better than anyone elses, it's just he has the military power to back it up. I don't think the war is necessarily about oil, nor the safety of the US (he can't attack you) I think it is about Bush' and Blair's morals (who are both practising Christians) that Saddam is evil and must be removed. Even Blair, while trying to be cagey as ever, has let slip that he want's Saddam removed. It is another example of Bush and Blair trying to muscle in on the sovereign business of another country. Like Bush's statement that Yasser Arafat should be removed. Or the US forcing developing countries to enforce their economic systems, their patent protection, via the World Bank and IMF. We do not have control of the US domestic policy, indeed many Americans resent that they are being told to listen to the UN at times, but they still insist on interfering in the domestic policy of others. The US can simply ingnore whatever the UN says, but Iraq cannot? I think I recall someone her on 'Poly (can't recall who, sorry) who asked how they can take the UN seriously, when it has China and Russia as permanant members. Yet they are the two countries that have vetoed the least. The US has vetoed more than all the other 4 permanent members put together, and 3 times more than Britian, the second highest. What makes China or Russia less worthy of a place on the council than the US? Simply because they disagree on ideology and policy?
Sorry about the rant, but I felt some of this was relevant. And sorry if it seems like more US bashing. They are legitimate questions.
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February 17, 2003, 18:01
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"Bush is just trying to force his morals onto others."
You'd be better off if you learned something about the subject, before spending so much time writing tripe.
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February 17, 2003, 18:02
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"Bush is just trying to force his morals onto others."
You'd be better off if you learned something about the subject, before spending so much time writing
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Sloww, your in no position to be telling this to others. In fact, I believe others should be telling it to you.
 How Texan/Canadian of you
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February 17, 2003, 18:04
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Where exactly did that 'insult' originate from?
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February 17, 2003, 18:06
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Let France/Europe rule the world! 
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February 17, 2003, 18:07
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Originally posted by Big Crunch
Where exactly did that 'insult' originate from?
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Some British (or American) newspaper owned by Murdoch I suppose...
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February 17, 2003, 18:07
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Originally posted by Drogue
The US has vetoed more than all the other 4 permanent members put together, and 3 times more than Britian, the second highest. What makes China or Russia less worthy of a place on the council than the US? Simply because they disagree on ideology and policy?
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I was looking for information about the number of resolutions each permanent member has vetoed, and what they were vetoing (I heard that most US vetoes were in relation to protecting Israel from resolutions). You wouldn't happen to have a link would you?
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February 17, 2003, 18:12
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Sloww, your in no position to be telling this to others. In fact, I believe others should be telling it to you.
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Texan/Canadian? 
I know you're ignorant; I just don't know in what/how many way(s).
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February 17, 2003, 18:17
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No, I saw it on a TV program. IIRC China has vetoed 8, France 12, UK 19, US 64 and Russia I can't remember, but it was somewhere between the UK and China.
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February 17, 2003, 18:30
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
"Bush is just trying to force his morals onto others."
You'd be better off if you learned something about the subject, before spending so much time writing tripe.
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Nice of you to counter with logic and reason. Are you saying that Bush does not believe attacking Iraq is morally right? Or that Bush's morals have no influence on his decisions? Or are you saying that there are other reasons? If so, what? US safety? Oil?
Bush, in forcing other countries to comply with him (talk about sanctions on Germany for 'defying' the US position on Iraq) is forcing his (or maybe the US's) morals onto other countries. He is saying that what Saddam is doing is Evil, and must be removed. He is calling him evil, because what Saddam has done is against his morals. Therefore, in attacking Iraq, in forcing his position, his policies and his ideals upon others, he is forcing his morals onto others.
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February 17, 2003, 18:54
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Let the French lead the world, of course :mindlessflagwaving:
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February 17, 2003, 21:13
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the france one
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February 17, 2003, 22:01
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Both evil. No war, no sanctions
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February 18, 2003, 03:23
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Let France/Europe rule the world!
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Don't mix up the French with the rest of Europe.
(somebody should tell this to the french as well btw)
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February 18, 2003, 03:40
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Sauce for the gander
Drogue is just trying to force his morals onto others. I don't see why Drogue's morals are better than anyone elses, it's just he has the blather to spew it here…
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February 18, 2003, 03:52
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Both evil. No war, no sanctions
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was this a serious response?
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February 18, 2003, 03:59
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Where exactly did that 'insult' originate from?
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'cheese eating surrender monkeys' was first used by Grounds Keeper Willy on the Simpsons.
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