God's Obvious Design

hardjoy · February 17, 2003, 07:33

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...threadid=44688

The Armada approaching english waters...

hardjoy · February 17, 2003, 07:34

And the dutch situation...

hardjoy · February 17, 2003, 07:59

As you might have guessed, this scenario is about the spanish armada of 1588... Philip II's grand design to overthrow protestant England and place a catholic on the throne of England.

If you'd like to participate in the playtest, please respond here or to the above thread, where you can download the playtest version.

jim panse · February 17, 2003, 08:36

yeah, i´ll play with you ...

hardjoy · February 17, 2003, 08:47

Jim, you can download the scen from the above civfan thread

-Looking forward to your comments !

Mercator · February 17, 2003, 08:53

one remark... it's Haarlem, not Harleem... I happen to live there, so.

hardjoy · February 17, 2003, 09:00

Yes I heard

-gonna change that in the final version

techumseh · February 17, 2003, 11:34

It looks very good. I'm not sure I'll be able to give a detailed report, but I'll pass along any comments I have.

hardjoy · February 17, 2003, 11:59

Thats okay

In the process of adjusting minor details and adding a few more events, so I'll appreciate any feedback you might have, brief or longish.

The thing I'm probably most interested in is if the scenario is too easy, or too hard. The english are protected by The Tower (great wall) for some time, but when that wonder is cancelled by Naval Tactics, they should really feel the pressure coming on... Not sure if the scen is too easy playing as the brits, they really 'just' need to defend themselves in order to get a decisive win.

It is possible for the dutch to get a marginal win by kicking out the spaniards and protecting themselves from the Armada.

The spanish player is no doubt the most powerful and wealthy, but are hampered by civil disorders caused by troops away from cities. They are also the about one civ who will be able to research more than a couple of techs during the scen, while most others are dependant on trading techs, or stealing them. I'd really like to hear a report playing as the spanish -also the civ who will probably make the longest game, since they have the largest military and the most difficult objectives...

St Leo · February 17, 2003, 13:19

Hardjoy, did you shrink BeBro's city graphics or am I going crazy in my old age?

hardjoy · February 17, 2003, 13:45

I borrowed some of Bebro's cathedrals and buildings for the renaissance city style, yes...

jim panse · February 17, 2003, 15:21

ok, just downloaded and installed it. comments coming

St Leo · February 17, 2003, 15:30

/me downloaded the scenario

Oh, you took those screen at the non-normal zoom. They look much better after the SHIFT + Z keystroke.

Did you draw the feudal and Alt Modern styles yourself?

hardjoy · February 17, 2003, 16:02

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Originally posted by St Leo
Did you draw the feudal and Alt Modern styles yourself?

Yes... basically all the graphics are made from a combination of work from scratch or 'borrowing' of pieces from here and there, and shining them up to fit what I wanted. The feudal ones are all mine

yop73 · February 17, 2003, 16:51

hardjoy, if you want all Belgian city names how they are called in here (so not in English

):

Bruges -> Brugge
Antwerp -> Antwerpen
Ghent -> Gent
Brussels -> Brussel/Bruxelles (at that time, it was still called Brussel)

Hobbes · February 17, 2003, 19:43

one more:
Flushing - Vlissingen

jim panse · February 18, 2003, 05:54

nice piece of work, good first impression.

though i have to confess that i haven´t played it till now. just had a first glimpse on it

Shaka Naldur · February 18, 2003, 09:22

does this scenario have something to do with kIndal´s one??
he started one about it but he never finish it

hardjoy · February 18, 2003, 13:33

No. I did see his first playtest version a long time ago, but that was very different from what I have made here. I haven't heard from him in ages, so I don't know if he is still working on it.

Shaka Naldur · February 18, 2003, 18:01

just asking, do you still have his playtest version??
i don't think he'll mind if you send it to me

jeibel · February 19, 2003, 10:07

This looks really terrific !
However i'm unable to reach CivFanatics Forum !

Couldn't anyone post a direct link or upload it to Poly ?
(or CivFan download area)
Please Please Please
Thank You & ciao !

hardjoy · February 19, 2003, 11:14

Just uploaded the playtest to apolytons server

Shaka, send me an email and I'll see what I can do.

[edit : removed obsolete playtest links... the update is coming up...]

yaroslav · February 19, 2003, 19:03

hardjoy, the scen looks pretty good

I have only a problem with this: some Spanish cities are mispelled or misplaced. I suggest you to post the Spanish map in the Spanish forum (I've located some failures, but geography is not one of my strongest points). The most important failure, I think, is Navarre and Pamplona: Navarre is not a city, but a region, whose capital is Pamplona, and it was Spanish since 1504

Good work

hardjoy · February 20, 2003, 13:04

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Originally posted by yaroslav
...whose capital is Pamplona, and it was Spanish since 1504

Noted...

-thanx for the compliments

The reason I put Navarre on the map, was because I wondered myself excessively where it was, since the king of Navarre, Henry, was the leader of the huguenots figthing in France... Maybe he was just king of name? -gonna check up on that.

That said, there's a lot of contrafactual historical fantasy in this. And since I have used a quite small map, there's bound to be compromises in city locations etc. The setup is quite a construction, which hopefully conveys the key issues and some key incidents of the conflict, while still a lot of fun, not historical accuracy in the bonified manner. In this scenario, Philip II can even choose to go the protestant way, if he sees fit...

-one can play out the alternative history, and perhaps accomplish what Philip II didn't, conquer England...

yaroslav · February 20, 2003, 18:08

Quote:

Originally posted by hardjoy

Noted...

-thanx for the compliments

The reason I put Navarre on the map, was because I wondered myself excessively where it was, since the king of Navarre, Henry, was the leader of the huguenots figthing in France... Maybe he was just king of name? -gonna check up on that.

If I recall it correctly, the French King claims that the Kingdom of Navarre was French, even when France lost the 1504 war...

hardjoy · February 20, 2003, 23:22

Just had a nights game playing as the spanish...

After prolonged battles in the channel and the landing of spanish veterans from the Netherlands in Weymouth and Norwich in the summer of 1586, London finally fell to spanish forces December 1588. The scots actually managed to survive this game... heavily supported by spanish technologies.

Jay Bee · February 21, 2003, 06:30

You are using the flag of Castile for Spain which looks, pardon me, very very wierd

hardjoy · February 21, 2003, 09:05

Why? -please elaborate

Jay Bee · February 21, 2003, 09:19

Imagine you were designing a scenario where the British Empire is one of the participants. Which flag would you chose for them, the English flag (St George's cross) or the Union Jack?

St Leo · February 21, 2003, 13:32

Imagine you were designing a scenario where the British Empire is one of the participants. Which flag would you chose for them, the English flag (St George's cross) or the Union Jack?

I've seen both used.

Castille and Leon
Burgundy Cross
Royal Banner 1580-1700