Bush To Ignore Voice of the People - Page 4

Lefty Scaevola · February 19, 2003, 10:56

"I take it this is least your 2nd marriage?"

Nope, only one in this incanation.

TheStinger · February 19, 2003, 10:56

I tend to think that people who go on marches full stop are a bit whacko.

Ok the big crowds wich got rid of the Rummanian bloke and similar such things are ok. But I hate it when pople march and burn effigies and take theri kids as if they automaticaly support their view

orange · February 19, 2003, 11:14

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Originally posted by DetroitDave
Yeah, I stumbled upon a pro-war rally just outside town. All those beer-swilling, NASCAR watching, mullet wearing wackos were sporting signs like "nuke Baghdad, Osama/saddam partners in crime, Anti-war/anti-patriot."

I never saw such a concentration of loonies. Then again, I wouldn't expect anything less of the pro-war movement.

Wow, that's scary. It's one thing to stand by and let it happen, it's another to get off your ass and support the mass destruction of another group of people. Propoganda must be really strong for a bunch of uneducated people to support the deaths of a group of people they've never met and have little knowledge about.

MarkG - that picture was scary

Jac de Molay · February 19, 2003, 11:24

Orange, I was only using that as an illustration of how anti-war movements are stereotyped. On this board alone, someone anti-war like me has been described as everything from a "hoodlum" to a commie. It can cut both ways.

SlowwHand · February 19, 2003, 11:25

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Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
"I take it this is least your 2nd marriage?"

Nope, only one in this incanation.

Did you feel the draft as that passed over your head?
I was being smartass about your "13 year old son and wife".
You know, like she's 13, too.

February 19, 2003, 11:29

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Originally posted by MrFun
Ok, so slightly more than half of the American participants in the survey said they would support war against Iraq, even at the cost of alienating our allies?

I would also like to know the demographics of these survey participants (gender, economic class, ethnicity/race, and religion). That would really reveal what kind of cross-section we're talking about here.

Why does it matter, 66% is 66% regardless of how it is made up.

Do you not get it. The majority of the American people are with Bush on this issue.
The usual vocal minority, get all the press.
But I believe that most western democratic countries, who have suffered through inumerable protest marches, are now coming to realise that the protest movement (of whatever it is about) does not represent the majority view.
I believe, the vast majority of people are now starting to simply ignore news on protests, except for the novelty value, and are forming their own opinion.

SlowwHand · February 19, 2003, 11:36

71% support. So you minority people get over it.

Sava · February 19, 2003, 11:46

Sloww, a great majority of that 71% are those "beer-swilling, NASCAR watching, mullet wearing wackos" Detroit Dave was talking about. I don't really give a sh1t what these people think. And just because something is popular, or supported by the majority, doesn't make it right. Plus, polls are of small sample sizes and not even close to 0.01% of the total American population.

TheStinger · February 19, 2003, 11:49

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Originally posted by Sava
Sloww, a great majority of that 71% are those "beer-swilling, NASCAR watching, mullet wearing wackos" Detroit Dave was talking about. I don't really give a sh1t what these people think. And just because something is popular, or supported by the majority, doesn't make it right. Plus, polls are of small sample sizes and not even close to 0.01% of the total American population.

whenever polls don't support someones views that bleat on about sample sizes.

If they were wrong political parties wouldn't use them

Sava · February 19, 2003, 12:01

Sure, political parties are bastions of honesty and good will!

I wouldn't pay attention to polls even if they showed majority support for Bush being spanked in public. IMO most polls are rigged to show the results the pollsters are looking for.

SlowwHand · February 19, 2003, 12:10

What DO you pay attention to?

Sava · February 19, 2003, 12:14

I try to find as much information on a subject and come up with my own conclusion. I pity those that treat biased news/polls like the Holy Grail.

SlowwHand · February 19, 2003, 12:20

Statistics are mostly meaningless, I will agree.
Anyone can manipulate to illustrate their side.

Wtiberon · February 19, 2003, 12:21

While the worldwide demonstrations were impressive they only included a very small percentage of the worlds population. Bush cannot dictate policy to a group that screams the loudest thats just retarded...His job is not to do something that everyone aggrees to, his job is to protect the United States, Her interests, and her population. Those that HAVE rosen up against the possible invasion do so because it has become a popular sentiment. Strange how those that flee from Iraq and have first hand accounts of the atrocities that go on their are pro-regime change...but others that barely read the news stories and sit in the safety at their home and countrie are against it.

Sava · February 19, 2003, 12:22

Sloww and I agree!

Sava · February 19, 2003, 12:26

I posted this in the other thread... due to a lack of a single Iraq thread, I must cut and paste.

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I'm not simply against the war because I'm a hippie peacenik... Here are my reasons for being against the war.

1. 100 billion dollar+ price tag
2. American lives at risk
3. Hatred towards America it will spawn
4. Possibility for sparking a greater conflict
5. Possibility of Saddam launching a WoMD against someone before he dies
6. Bush's motives
7. What happens to Iraq afterwards

I'm not convinced that the end result of going after Saddam is worth the price we are going to pay for the war. It's a results vs rewards situation for me. Anytime a politician wants something like this so bad, I get suspicious.

I don't care about how many people protest. I don't care about public support for the war. I don't care about biased polls. I just wish the media, the Bush admin, or SOMEONE would just address these 7 points. That's what we should be talking about. Public opinion is irrelevant. The public (including myself) isn't privy to the information needed to make an intelligent decision anyways. I wish there was a more open discussion of my concerns.

SlowwHand · February 19, 2003, 12:27

"His job is not to do something that everyone aggrees to"

Uh huh, right. Like pleasing all, always, is even a reasonable expectation.
Pass the doob over to me, Bogart.

Wtiberon · February 19, 2003, 12:37

Did you not read it right are do you just need a hit...? Read it again then see if I'm smoking da doobie.

Velociryx · February 19, 2003, 12:46

Obviously, DF and others believe that we should run the country on the basis of opinion polls, even if the whims of people are incredibly malleable.

We elect officials to speak for us. To make decisions on larger issues.

That's what they get paid to do.

If you disagree with the decisions they make, vote them out of office.

Pretty simple stuff.

-=Vel=-

Jac de Molay · February 19, 2003, 12:57

The problem with our elected officials, as of late, is that there has been a deafening silence in debating the merits and drawbacks of the impending war.

This recent speech by Robert Byrd shows how passive our representatives have been.

DinoDoc · February 19, 2003, 13:05

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Originally posted by DetroitDave
The problem with our elected officials, as of late, is that there has been a deafening silence in debating the merits and drawbacks of the impending war.

Shouldn't they have done that before voting to give him the power to wage war?

orange · February 19, 2003, 13:20

75% of all statistics are fake

DinoDoc · February 19, 2003, 13:22

90% of them are also made up on the spot.

Ozz · February 19, 2003, 13:26

95% percent of statistics are asking a biased question
looking for a predetermined answer.

Straybow · February 19, 2003, 14:00

DD, people vote guys like Robert Byrd into office because they want the influence his seniority gets the state. They aren't thinking about his stance on issues. They aren't thinking one inch beyond their own noses.

The Emperor Fabulous · February 19, 2003, 14:18

Anyone have a link to the original news article that was posted?

MrFun · February 19, 2003, 23:51

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Originally posted by CICSMaster

Why does it matter, 66% is 66% regardless of how it is made up.

Do you not get it. The majority of the American people are with Bush on this issue.
The usual vocal minority, get all the press.
But I believe that most western democratic countries, who have suffered through inumerable protest marches, are now coming to realise that the protest movement (of whatever it is about) does not represent the majority view.
I believe, the vast majority of people are now starting to simply ignore news on protests, except for the novelty value, and are forming their own opinion.

I would like to know the demographics of the voters in this poll because I want to see how diverse these voters are.

Isn't it the case that the more diverse the voters are in any poll, the more of a legitimate cross-section you have of the society?

Boris Godunov · February 19, 2003, 23:56

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Originally posted by MrFun
Isn't it the case that the more diverse the voters are in any poll, the more of a legitimate cross-section you have of the society?

No. The most accurate polls are random samples.

MrFun · February 20, 2003, 00:14

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov

No. The most accurate polls are random samples.

Right, but the more randomly a poll is conducted, doesn't that increase the chances of greater diversity among voters?

So really randomness and diversity of voters are somewhat interrelated?

The Emperor Fabulous · February 20, 2003, 01:42

So no one has the source article?