SCENARIO: Play The Real World

maciek · February 19, 2003, 00:17

This is an annoucement thread only. Please post your comments at our dedicated forum. For the latest news and downloads, visit the official World 2004 website.

World 2004 – Full Spectrum Domination

The World 2004 is an exciting and realistic, at times brutal, simulation of the complex, current world situation. It features more than 220 realistic new units such as the special forces, attack helicopters, different classes of ships, spy satellites and terrorists, new technologies, buildings, wonders, concepts, and much more.

Play your part in one of four powerful alliances or define your own Coalition and the Axis of Evil; trade arms and technologies, declare a War on Terror and participate in peacekeeping operations. Develop new technologies increasing your supremacy on land, sea, air and space. Host the Olympic Games to boost tourism and make your citizens happy by building casinos, museums and tourist resorts. Increase your productivity with nano-technology robotic plants and oil refineries. Finally build a manned space ship and colonize Mars! Do you have what it takes to achieve the full spectrum domination?

World 2004 allows you to play online or against the computer, with the new mini 8-country version making quick battles and online games much more enjoyable.

Concepts

Arms Trade - Buy and sell production licences for your indigenous systems such as aircraft or tanks to other countries. New balanced arms licence categories include: Armor, Aircraft, Helicopters, Ships

Peace Keeping - Help your weak allies defend against aggressors by deploying UN peacekeeping forces without formal declaration of war.

War on Terror - Mobilize your country to fight for freedom, decreasing war weariness at the cost unhappy citizens

Locked Alliances - Play as part of an alliance and build a powerful Coalition against hostile alliances. Help your fellow alliance members with preferential trade rates and support them in time of hostile aggression.

Downloads

All downloads are located on World 2004 website.

maciek · February 19, 2003, 00:30

Playable countries: (in no special order)

United Kingdom
Italy
Spain and Portugal
Turkey and Greece
Arab World (UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia)
Germany and Poland
Russia
China
Japan
France
India
Iraq
Pakistan
Israel
Australia and New Zealand
Afghanistan
Iran
South Korea
North Korea
Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Iceland)
Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela
Northern & Western Africa (Maghreb & Egypt)
Canada
Central Africa (including Zimbabwe)
South East Asia
Yugoslavia (former Yugoslavian countries)
The Netherlands and Belgium
Mexico
Argentina, Chile, Peru and Bolivia
Brazil

Plus non-playable Terrorists "civilization" including tribes such as Al Qaeda, ETA, Taliban, Hamas, etc.

Tell me what you think at the forum http://realciv3.cjb.net

player1 · February 19, 2003, 06:33

Quote:

Yougoslavia (including Yougoslavia and Croatia)

Yougoslavia?

It's Yugoslavia.

And for the record it does not exist anymore.
Last month its renamed to "Serbia and Montenegro".

maciek · February 19, 2003, 08:02

New versions are available check out the screenshots.

maciek · February 23, 2003, 01:36

screenshot deleted. check newest ones below.

maciek · February 23, 2003, 01:37

old screenshot deleted.

maciek · February 23, 2003, 01:38

screenshot deleted. check out new ones further below.

victorhadin · February 23, 2003, 08:59

Looks nice.

Libertine · February 27, 2003, 06:59

Looks very good. May i just ask if Apolyptons scenario scene is healthy? Cant wait for the new version.

maciek · February 27, 2003, 09:23

yep, we need to post the download link for the scenario. more screenshots featuring UK Challenger tanks, Invincible-class carriers, Harrier aircraft, and Special Forces with Humvees is coming soon. Those are just few of the new units in the upcoming version which should be released during or after the weekend.

Roman · February 27, 2003, 21:48

Excellent! I love real world scenarios, especially if they strive for accuracy as this one seems to do.

I do not have PtW - does this scenario require it?

What scale do you use for the converting real world units to Civ units? Is it 1 unit = 1 division for land forces, 1 aircraft squadron for airforces and 1 ship for naval forces, or is it something different?

In any case, here is some information I compiled for another thread, but it may be of some use to you too:-

Please note that I always try to use as recent a source as possible for each, but sometimes recent sources are not available.

Size of the Armed Forces (millions of men):-
1. China: 4.0 + extra 0.8 People's Armed Police paramilitaries (Being downsized to 2.8, but in addition to these figures, the Chinese have various Militias/Reserves, numbering, 7 million, 12 million and 25 million.)
2. India: 2.2 (Includes paramilitaries)
3. USA: 1.4 (Being downsized to 1.2)
4. North Korea: 1.2 (North Korea also keeps additional 4.7-7.0 million reserve troops)
5. Russia: 1.2 (This is the official number. The real strength is somewhere between 800,000 and 900,000 troops and is being downsized further. In the long term it is expected to stabilize around 800,000, but some have suggested 700,000 or even 500,000. In 1990 USSR had 2 million to 3 million troops.)
6. Pakistan: 0.85
7. Turkey: 0.6-0.7
8. Brazil: 0.6
9. Vietnam: 0.5 (In addition, there are 4.5 million paramilitaries, so Vietnam could be considered to have the largest army at 5.0 million men in total.)
10. Iran: 0.5

Military Expenditure (Millions of US dollars [valued at year 2000 level]):
1. USA: cca. 300,000 (This has increased dramatically during the Bush administration and is expected to exceed 400 Billion USD in 2003.)
2. China: 65,000 (The real figure may well be substantially higher, especially considering the fact that the PLA owns a whole industrial empire of its own. Some estimates put the real Chinese spending at between 110 Billion USD and 150 Billion USD. Whatever the real level of spending is, one thing is certain - it is growing very fast [at least 20% every year.])
3. Russia: 64,000 (This figure is for 1996, as I could not find a later one. It is absolutely certain that military spending has declined enormously since then. In 1990, the military spending amounted to 350 Billion USD, which would be in excess of 400 Billion USD in year 2000 dollars.)
4. France: 46,500
5. Japan: 41,000
7. Germany: 38,500
8. UK: 31,700
9. Italy: 20,200
10. Saudi Arabia: 18,300
11. South Korea: 12,800
12. India: 12,100

Note that the numbers of equipment say nothing about its quality. For example, the US aircraft carriers can carry about twice as many aircraft and are far superior to even the largest and the best of those from the other nations.

Number of Frontline Combat Aircraft (does not include combat helicopters):
1. USA: 5,000 (down from 12,000 in 1990)
2. China: 4,200
3. Russia: 3,800 (down from 11,000-17,000 in 1990)
4. India: 600-1,100
5. North Korea: 750
6. UK: 700
7. Turkey: 600
8. France: 500
9. Sweden: 500
10. Italy: 450
11.Saudi Arabia: 430
12. Germany: 400

Number of Combat Helicopters:
1. USA: 7,000-8,000
2. Russia: 2,500-3,000 (down from 6,000 n 1990)
3. China: 52* (Although China has about 1,500 helicopters in total only 52 are combat helicopters. Helicopters are the one serious weakness of the Chinese armed forces.)
4. France: 500
5. Brazil: 400
6. India: 300
7. UK: 250
8. Turkey: 200
9. Canada: 150
10. Poland: 150

Aircraft Carriers:
1. USA: 11 + 1 in reserve
2. UK: 2 + 1 in reserve
3. India: 1 + 1 in reserve (another one to be bought from Russia)
4. Brazil: 1 + 1(this second aircraft carrier was built during the Second World War by the British [in 1945 to be precise], so draw your own conslusions about its effectiveness)
5. France: 1 (another one in construction)
6. Russia: 1 (down from 5 in 1990)
7. Spain: 1
8. Argentine: 0 + 1 in reserve
9. China: 0 (1 in construction and another one to be bought from Russia)

My listings for submarines are comprehensive - they actually include all military submarines that exist in the world and since there were not so many, I decided to include them all, not just the top 10.

Submarines:- SSBNs (Nuclear Balistic Missile Submarines), SSNs (Nuclear Attack Submarines) and SSKs (Conventional Attack Submarines)

SSBNs:
1. USA: 18
2. Russia: 13 + 21 in reserve (down from 83 in 1990)
3. France: 4 + 2 in construction
4. UK: 3 +1 in reserve
5. China: 1 (plans to acquire more)

SSNs:
1. USA: 67
2. Russia: 28 + 34 in reserve (down from 100 in 1990)
3. UK: 12
4. France: 6
5. China: 6

SSKs:
1. China: 60
2. Russia: 18 + 8 in reserve (down from 80 in 1990)
3. North Korea: 26
4. Japan: 18
5. Germany: 16
6. Turkey: 15 (7 of these are from WWII and the rest are not too new either)
7. India: 13
8. Norway: 12
9. Spain: 8
10. Greece: 8
11. Sweden: 8
12. South Korea: 6
13. Pakistan: 6
14. Egypt: 6 (very old)
15. Brazil: 5
16. Taiwan: 4
17. Serbia: 4
18. Argentine: 3
19. Canada: 3
20. Portugal: 3
21. Iran: 3
22. Poland: 3
23. Indonesia: 2
24. Bulgaria: 2 (very old)
25. Venezuela: 2
26. Colombia: 2
27. Romania: 1

(USA, France and UK only use the superior SSNs for attack roles, so they do not have any SSKs.)

My listings for capital ships are comprehensive - they actually include all military capital ships that exist in the world and since there were not so many, I decided to include them all, not just the top 10.

Aegis Cruisers (for Russia the figures represents its indigenous Aegis equivalents):
1. USA: 30
2. Russia: 6 (down from 32 in 1990, but this means the ones left are of highest quality)

Only Russia and USA operate Cruisers of any kind and the both operate only Aegis (Aegis equivalent for Russia) Cruisers.

Destroyers:
1. USA: 56
2. Russia: 26 (down from 74 in 1990)
3. China: 21 (very old ones, except for two top class ones bought from Russia)
4. UK: 12
5. Japan: 8
6. South Korea: 7 (very old ones)
7. Taiwan: 7
8. Argentine: 6
8. India: 5
9. France: 4
9. Italy: 4
10. Greece: 4
11. Canada: 4
12. Germany: 3
13. Pakistan: 3 (extemely old ones [from WWII])
14. Mexico: 3 (very old)
15. Iran: 2
16. Poland: 1
17. Romania: 1
18. Egypt: 1 (very old)

All other navies operate only Frigates, Corvettes and Missile Boats none of which can be classified as capital ships and hence should not feature in the scenario. However, Aircraft Carriers, Submarines, Aegis Cruisers and Destroyers should probably be converted on a 1:1 basis to the scenario, since there are not so many of them. Aircraft Carriers, Submarines and Destroyers, should probably be represented by 2-3 types of unit each, perhaps even more for submarines.

Main Battle Tanks:-
1. Russia - 16,800 (Down from over 60,000 in 1990)
2. China - 7,100 old ones + 1,000 modern = 8,100 total
3. USA - 8,087
4. Syria - 3,100 old + 1,500 medium age = 4,600 total
5. Turkey - 4,300 (some old, some medium age)
6. Israel - 4,050 (Most are old, but significant numbers are modern)
7. Ukraine - 4,026
8. India - 3,500
9. North Korea - 3,400 old ones
10. Egypt - 3,300 all are old
11. Germany - 2,700 (All are modern, or at least relatively so)
12. Iraq - 2,700
13. Libya - 2,200
14. South Korea - 2,050
15. Pakistan - 1,950
16. Poland - 1,727
17. Iran - 1,440
18. Italy - 1,300
19. Serbia and Montenegro - 1,300
20. Vietnam - 1,300 all are old
21. Japan - 1,100
22. France - 1,084
23. Czech Republic - 1,010
24. Saudi Arabia - 1,000
25. Yemen - 1,000 old and medium age
26. Algeria - 1,000 old and medium age
27. Netherlands - 750
28. Spain - 700
29. Switzerland - 642
30. Jordan - 600
31. UK - 590 (All are modern)

Libertine · February 28, 2003, 07:41

right, post em on the website. If you have any other figures please put them in please. Thanks

maciek · February 28, 2003, 07:47

Roman: thank you very much for your contribution. Please come to our forum at http://realciv3.cjb.net, we have the rules and formulas there. I will re-post your message on our forum.

maciek · March 1, 2003, 16:53

Sorry, it does require Play The World. It's much better with 32 civs, it's really hard to squeeze the countries of the world in just 16 civs. I will have latest screenshots coming soon and the new version should come out in couple of days, featuring new units such as:

- Strategic Airlifter (e.g. C-5 Galaxy)
- Tactical Airlifter (e.g. C-130 Hercules)
- Infantry with new animations
- AWACS aircraft
- Special forces using Humvees
- Av-8 Harriers
- Invincible-class carriers
- Challenger 2 tanks
- Strategic bombers with 3 tactical missiles payload capacity
- Amphibious assault ships
- Attack Helicopter
- Howitzer

And new graphics for the existing units: terrorists, spy satellites. Plus hundreds of other updates.

I need to compile a credits list, because we are using graphics created by other people.

maciek · March 1, 2003, 17:50

Screenshot moved.

maciek · March 1, 2003, 18:07

Soldiers from 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit patrol the area near Kandahar airbase in Afganistan. Spy satellite captures images of the situation north of Afghanistan.

maciek · March 6, 2003, 04:21

New version is out, grab it from here

It's a 4.4mb download and well worth it. You need to know the location of your Civ3 PTW folder. Savegames coming later tonight.

Libertine · March 6, 2003, 05:12

the new version shall be worked much on tonight. City's and many armed forces to be updated. Maybe trim some down a bit and get them more accurate.

, anyone French or Italian or German may help with this.

maciek · March 7, 2003, 08:15

We have new forum now, check the address in the first message,

Old forum is located at http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=416582

maciek · March 10, 2003, 15:51

Version 17 is out!

This preview version features several geographical updates and armed forces updates.

New units:

MIL Mi-24 "Hind"
Leclerc
Leopard
Merkava
MiG 21 "Fishbed"
Self-propelled Howitzer
Unmanned Spy Plane
Spetsnaz
T90
Type 90 tank

New modular design of this scenario will allow us to update the scenario more frequently.

Screenshots and saved games coming soon, so stay tuned

maciek · March 10, 2003, 18:05

Screenshot from version 17. Using Snoopy's Terrain theme, which will be included in the scenario soon:

maciek · March 10, 2003, 21:14

Master Zen · March 11, 2003, 02:32

Sweet!

too bad each turn would take like 30 min. on my computer...

maciek · March 11, 2003, 21:33

In the new version, it takes about 15 minutes for the AI to complete its turns, on a Duron 1.3GHz.

maciek · March 15, 2003, 01:32

First I wanted to thank Gramphos for moving this thread. Thanks mate

Although there may not be any new releases in next couple of days, we will release a new version once the military action in Iraq starts. We are now working to make sure the unit numbers in the region are accurate, and the new version may be released on the eve of attack.

Hopefully, we will release a new version for other reasons (i.e. not war related), but it seems unlikely...

Caliban · March 15, 2003, 13:23

Why is Poland a part of Germany? I'd rather like to see it as a part of Russia.

Libertine · March 15, 2003, 13:29

Poland is intergrating into the west much quicker than Russia is and soon to be in Nato and maybe European Union it is only practical to put it in with a western european country. Seeing you are from Germany, if you would like to post on the forum suggestions for Germany(armed forces etc) and tell us bases etc and make sure we have got things accurate that would be great. We are looking to perfect Germany and France.

tarpoon · March 15, 2003, 21:11

Germany has currently 290.600 men in its armed forces.

199.402 in the Heer (Army)

65.803 in the Luftwaffe (Air Force)

25.395 in the Marine (Navy)

Of which are stationed outside germany (only the important missions)

2.245 in the ISAF (Afghanistan, Usbekistan)

3.841 KFOR (Kosovo Force)

1.358 SFOR (Bosnia)

859 Enduring Freedom

You can find more informations on the following websites:
http://www.deutschesheer.de/
http://www.bundesmarine.de/
http://www.luftwaffe.de/

maciek · March 16, 2003, 02:20

Poland joined NATO in 1999 and is about to join EU in 2004. I can't see any reason why Poland should be joined with Russia.

As I said on the front page, join our forum to discuss this scenario, this is an announcement thread only.

Caliban · March 17, 2003, 13:32

I just want to play Germany 'alone'. Our nation is powerful enough, so it does not need to be reinforced with smaller civs.

But, ok, it's not that important...