Military Strengths

[Archaic]

The attached file is a copy of this page at the time of posting, showing the glaring errors in Sheeps post from where he has copy/pasted large sections from Alecrast and Akira descriptions without even bothering to make changes for his nation, (Got to love his mistakes with the SSS) or to take into account established RP (The inclusion of the Brownshirts. The lack of mention of the South Sheepstan White Guard, etc).

[Sheep]

yeah sorry about that. Next time when you are in a rush and are going to come back to do something why don;t yopu try it. As for Archic and Drouge I am sorry that I copied from you, but I did have every intention of fixing any mistakes and re doing larger sections later on.

Indeed I THANK you for the guides.

[GeneralTacticus]

Sheep it is generally accepted practise to:

1) Proofread what you write/copy so as to make sure you don't make any glaring errors;

2) Either ask permission before using someone else's work as the basis for your own, or else change it enough that the copying is not noticeable;

3) When a thread has been pointed out to you as being a good guideline for your work, to at least have the courtesy to read it and either bear it in mind or present a good reason why not to.

[Sheep]

I did read it. Good reson, after so many takeovers, so many invasions, so many wars Sheepsta is more than likely to have a large percentage of the populaiuon in the armed forces.

At the moment I have somewher close to 15 to 17 million people in the armed forces. I have 130 odd million people in New Sheepsta, not to mention those that live in North and South Sheepsta. So I find it well within reason.

Fair enough?

[GeneralTacticus]

I did read it. Good reson, after so many takeovers, so many invasions, so many wars Sheepsta is more than likely to have a large percentage of the populaiuon in the armed forces.

At the moment I have somewher close to 15 to 17 million people in the armed forces. I have 130 odd million people in New Sheepsta, not to mention those that live in North and South Sheepsta. So I find it well within reason.

Fair enough?

Nope, even more ridiculous than wehat you posted before. If you ahd all three Sheepstas under your control, 15-17 million in the military would mean 3% of your population in the miltiary at the very least, or IOW 7.5% of your labour force even if both genders are equal. Regardless of whether or not the coutnry would want to have such a large force, your economy simply would not be able to sustain it.

[Archaic]

Also Sheep, you forget that you've been under military blockade for a long period of time, and that most of the military equipment left with Alecrast, Bulbagarden, or the Brownshirts or White Guard. How to you propose to have go such a large navy or air force when you never had the money for it, or the ability to get it there?

[Sheep]

Sheepsta is a land with resources my friend what do you think we have being doing laterly other than building.

[GeneralTacticus]

Whether or not you have resources is utterly irrelevant. 'New Sheepsta' had a weak economy and did not buy weapons form elsewhere, while all weapons that were present in the rest of Sheepsta were removed in the withdrawl.

[Sheep]

Your point being? If you think I haven;t smuggled in weapons, flown them in? Built the up, I may not have a good economy like you but it has been geared for the fight against occupation of two thirds of my homeland.

[Archaic]

1) You didn't have a third of the land. You had about a tenth.

2) You honestly expect you can smuggle in weapons through a front of opposing troops such as there was before the court order (Which only took effect once you bothered to come and post. After 5 days, we were thinking maybe you'd end up abandoning it again), or fly them through those no fly zones Alecrast and Bulbagarden had established around the New Sheepstan lands?

You did not have the money, the time, or the resources to build up any sort of Army like you claim Sheep. Here's a little reality check. Alecrast is the 11th largest arms maker in Apolyton, and has the 10th largest armed forces. Claiming yours is larger than mine when all of the stats and RP say otherwise is preposterous.

[GeneralTacticus]

You would not have been able to either build or buy anything approaching a decent military, no matter how much you tried. Simple as that. And you would msot certainly never have eben able to build a miltiary the size of the one which you claim to have, which included... let's see... 31 aircraft carriers, 68 battleships, 115 destroyers, 95 frigates, severla hundred other ships, 50 000 fighters, 11 000 bombers, 10 000 combat helicopters, and 15 000 assorted transport aircraft. One should note that this would make Sheepsta a greater miltiary power than the USA, which, given their past history and current state, is patently absurd.

[Sheep]

Yes Gen Tacticus you are not thinking of the possiblilites here. Thefact that I could of out sourced all the work, and as soon as the blockade had finished gotten the weapons makes sense. Deal with it

[GeneralTacticus]

Sheep, I don't know what world you live in, but mine's called Earth, and on this world, third world countries do not suddenly acquire huge military arsenals from outside by "outsourcing and then importing", when they: a) couldn't afford it, b) couldn't have acquired such ridiculously huge arsenals even if they had the money in any case.

[Archaic]

It makes no sense at all Sheep, which is why we dispute it. You're ignoring all sense and RP, not to mention basic economics. Don't you understand the value of money?

[Sheep]

Well thats a funny Earth you live on cause its been known to happen.

[Sheep]

The value of the fleece is extradionary high. And the fact that Sheepsta was working towards one thing and one thing alone helped a lot.

[GeneralTacticus]

Well thats a funny Earth you live on cause its been known to happen.

Sheep, perhaps you would care to inform us of the last occasion upon which a third world nation suddenly acquired (let me quote form ym earlier post) "31 aircraft carriers, 68 battleships, 115 destroyers, 95 frigates, severla hundred other ships, 50 000 fighters, 11 000 bombers, 10 000 combat helicopters, and 15 000 assorted transport aircraft. ". It has never happened. Period. Even the USA (which ahs the world's most powerful military) doe snot have close to this much.

The value of the fleece is extradionary high.

That's not the word. Stupid perhaps describes it better.

And the fact that Sheepsta was working towards one thing and one thing alone helped a lot.

No matter how much you devoted to this (and you weren't devoting everything to it, or else your economy would be even weaker than it already was and you'd have no social welfare programs), you would not have acquired this much. Deal with it.

[Sheep]

I acknowledge that they are high, but when you and a certain someone else dispute everything I do, argue eveything I say and generally try to **** me in the behind, you got to question, perhaps if you were nicer to them, the Sheepstans wouldn;t have such a large army.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Well thats a funny Earth you live on cause its been known to happen.

So you honestly expect to be about to outsource production of a military that large when your currency is worth nothing because the only major port into your nation declared independance, leaving you with only air freight in and out, which is expensive. Oh yes, and the military you're saying you've built is larger than the US's, even though you've got a smaller population, and even though the stats on Nationstates clearly state that you have a far smaller military than Alecrast's.

Originally posted by Sheep
The value of the fleece is extradionary high. And the fact that Sheepsta was working towards one thing and one thing alone helped a lot.

Bullshit. You have a weak economy, and any activity would weaken it further. Get your head out of the sand already.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
I acknowledge that they are high, but when you and a certain someone else dispute everything I do, argue eveything I say and generally try to **** me in the behind, you got to question, perhaps if you were nicer to them, the Sheepstans wouldn;t have such a large army.

Maybe if you didn't godmod so much and post so many insane things that were so obviously outside of the realms of possibility......

[GeneralTacticus]

I acknowledge that they are high, but when you and a certain someone else dispute everything I do, argue eveything I say and generally try to **** me in the behind, you got to question, perhaps if you were nicer to them, the Sheepstans wouldn;t have such a large army.

Sheep, have you ever wondered why it is that what you say is never accepted? Could it perhaps have something to do with the fact that most of the time it's complete and utter bullsh*t? Face it, Sheep. You do not have a 15 million man army. You do not have 31 carriers, 50 000 fighters, 11 000 bombers, or anything approaching that. No one has anything like that, least of all a tinpot tyrant in a third world country. If you want an outlet for your megalomania, go start up SNES: SAW (Sheep Always Wins), and see if you can get anyone to play with you.

[Sheep]

Maybe if you didn;t godmod so much, not make allowances and stop being such a ***** to everything everyone does that you do not agree with, perhaps we would be more accomodating and I would actually take note of what you say. At the moment its just an endless line of bullshit cause you wish I had gone, you wish Sheepsta was yours to play with, you wish you had everything, and you still cannot admit that you lost. You hate losing don;t you?

[Sheep]

I have been looking at other numbers and I will make something more comparable. I was wrong in the numbers and I do apologise. I wonder if you are mature enough to do the same?

[GeneralTacticus]

Maybe if you didn;t godmod so much,

Kindly point out a SINGLE example of either myself or Archaic godmodding, and why this is godmodding, then you may have a point.

not make allowances and stop being such a ***** to everything everyone does that you do not agree with,

I didn't agree on the AI taking over in Akiria. A great deal happens in this game that I do not agree on, yet I don't protest about that. Ever wondered why that might be? Maybe because most of it I have no right to protest, but this I do? Hmmm?

perhaps we would be more accomodating and I would actually take note of what you say.

Whether or not you take note of what I say is utterly irrelevant. You are wrong, period, and you willbe until you alter your position. The fact that you refuse to ackowledge this doesn't help; it just makes you look even more idiotic than you already do.

At the moment its just an endless line of bullshit

Thank yuo for your perfect description of everything you've been posting since you returned.

[quote]cause you wish I had gone, /quote]

Yes, I do wish you had gone, because I've yet to find a single person more disruptive to actual RP than you.

you wish Sheepsta was yours to play with, you wish you had everything,

Again, thank you for your perfect description of everything you've posted since you returned.

and you still cannot admit that you lost.

Funny thing, I didn't lose. Nor did Archaic. The election results came out in your favour, and (whatever we may think of them), we abided by them. The only person who can't admit they've lost is you, because we won't let you pretend to be a superpower.

You hate losing don;t you?

I don't like losing, but when I do lose, I accept it. I haven't lost in this instance, ergo I'm not going to let you claim I did.

I have been looking at other numbers and I will make something more comparable.

Good. Next time, don't pretend that you have a military far in excess of what your population and economy could support.

I wonder if you are mature enough to do the same?

What am I going to apologise for? Pulling you up when you BSed us?

[Sheep]

Thats the thing, Rping is NOT a game. It is a story. General Tacticus also this was not directed at you. It was directed at your friend.

Now what many people don;t know is that once I came back to NS after my stint in hopsital, I asked Archiac to give me Sheepsta back. He said no, and this is where this enemity has sprung from. This did not feature in the courts as I have no proof but I will continue to fight for what is mine, nothing more nothing less.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Thats the thing, Rping is NOT a game. It is a story. General Tacticus also this was not directed at you. It was directed at your friend.

Now what many people don;t know is that once I came back to NS after my stint in hopsital, I asked Archiac to give me Sheepsta back. He said no, and this is where this enemity has sprung from. This did not feature in the courts as I have no proof but I will continue to fight for what is mine, nothing more nothing less.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=79833

If anyone wants to read the true story of how it stated, they're free to. Stop trying to paint me as unreasonable for just doing proper RP Sheep.

[GeneralTacticus]

Thats the thing, Rping is NOT a game. It is a story.

Yes, it's a story. A story which might plausibly happen in Real Life. This means no BS like you tried to pull.

General Tacticus also this was not directed at you. It was directed at your friend.

He asked me to answer for him because he would probably have used enough insults to get himself banned.

Now what many people don;t know is that once I came back to NS after my stint in hopsital, I asked Archiac to give me Sheepsta back. He said no,

If you are referring to that PM you sent Archaic, it is known to anyoenw ho actually followed the matter. He said no because you gave no RP or RL reasons for doing so.

[Sheep]

ahhh Rl, so being in hopstial with a op is not a reason, RP, I shouldn;t have to RP for my own nation. Like you shouldn;t have to RP for Centralis or one of the other 36 nations you control.

[GeneralTacticus]

ahhh Rl, so being in hopstial with a op is not a reason,

Not when you had an abundance of opportunities (as you yourself admitted) to do something to prevent your nation from being deleted.

RP, I shouldn;t have to RP for my own nation.

Once it had been deleted, it was no longer yours. Period. If you wanted it back, you should have given a plausible reason why we would have withdrawn.

Like you shouldn;t have to RP for Centralis or one of the other 36 nations you control.

They haven't been deleted. Sheepsta was. Deal with it.

[Sheep]

Yeah okay then who can;t deal with the fact that the courts and the others here have said otherwise. Sorry mate, your wrong on this one.