10th Turn Chat (From Turn 78 in the year 2440BC)

Martin Gühmann · February 22, 2003, 17:00

Welcome to the 10th turn chat of our Great Nation Lemuria:

Day: 25/02/03 (Tuesday)
Hour: 20:30 GMT

Place:
Lemuria Channel in the Apolyton Chat-Room.

This time I think we need a little bit more time to discuss all the issures that are needed for the next turn chat, therefore it is announced a little bit earlier.

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Questions to the member of government in order to collect the necessary orders:

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Questions to the President (Martin Gühmann):

Q1: How will you name our cities?
A1: Same answer as Pedrunn gave for the last turn chat:

In case we conquer Graz, it will keep its name
In case we conquer Wels, I am still not shure whether its name will be kept
The next new city we found or get by a ruin will be named Wombatoon
The following city we found or get by a ruin will be named J Land

Q2: Will we change the PW rate?
A2: No, as we have nothing else to build except farms and we need all the production for new units.

Q3: Will we change the slider settings?
A3: Just in case of riots in one of our cities which would probably continue in the next turn. In that case more food is given to the people to stop the riots.

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Questions to the Minister of Domestic Affairs (MrBaggins):

Q4: What will the next three items for the build queues of all of our cities?

a) Pedrunnia
b) Colonia Locuta
c) H Town
d) mapfipolis
e) Pressburg

I think we should use the build queue feature in order to reduce the workload. We can modify the build queues later if necessary, anyway.

A4: ???

Q5: Will we change the specialist distribution in any city? If yes in which city and how?
A5: ???

Q6: Should we consider to start building an wonder, two other civs already started working on wonders, so we are running out of time, if we want a wonder then we have to make the decission very soon.
A6: ???

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Questions to the Minister of Infrastruture (ískallin):

No questions yet, as we don't have enough PW to spend on any tile improvements right now or later.

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Questions to the Minister of Diplomacy, Trade and Science (Locutus):

Q6: What will be our attitude towards these civilisations, if we send them a proposal?

a) Austria
b) Scottland
c) Germany
d) Thailand
e) India

A6: ???

Well I still want to get the map of India.

Q7: To which of these civilisations mentioned above we should send a proposal, if any?
A7: ???

Q8: What is our research goal for the next turns?
A8: ???

Q9: In case of a cease fire offer by the Austrians, should we accept or reject?
A9: ???

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Questions to the Minister of Defense (Pedrunn):

Q10: What is the destination of our 12 size stack (should be called LemuForce is not not done, yet) near H Town, Graz, Welz or something else?
A10: ???

Q11: Will we form another attack stack? And if yes how?
A11: ???

Q12: What is the destination of the wounded Warrior (IIRC we wanted to call him Bait) in the West. The best idea would be to use him as explorer for the North.
A12: ???

Q13: Will we use one unit to explore the Southern unexplored territory?
A13: ???

Q14: Will you name our armies? If yes how, and which army?
A14: ???

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Questions to All Citizens:

Q15: Who wants to help me with the screenshots and game info? (Needs to be someone with CTP2 and some basic knowlegde and resources to graphic editing.)
A15: ???

Q16: Is there anything I forgot to ask for here?
A16: ???

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Please, if you are a minister confirm your presence or your absence!

Confirmed ministers (or delegates)
Martin Gühmann - President
??? - Minister of Domestic Affairs
??? - Minister of Infrastruture
??? - Minister of Diplomacy, Trade and Science
??? - Minister of Defense
??? - Graphic manager (screenshot helper)

-Martin

HuangShang · February 22, 2003, 20:11

well, i'll be in classes for this one too

miggio · February 22, 2003, 23:51

i will be there unless some unforseable event stops me.
thats about 3:30pm my time so im good to go.

ps. im finally getting this whole time difference thing.(its quite confusing)

Tamerlin · February 23, 2003, 00:51

I won't be there until 23:30 GMT.

Frozzy · February 23, 2003, 01:36

You wierd Euros with your terribly conflicting timezones

I can't make it (Wednesday 9:30 am, I'll be sleeping

)

child of Thor · February 23, 2003, 18:34

I'm on a short weeks vacation. Still there may be an outside chance i could turn up.........a very outside chance?

Martin Gühmann · February 24, 2003, 13:05

Pedrunn, Locutus, MrBaggins and ískallin any orders so far?

-Martin

Pedrunn · February 25, 2003, 07:57

Still dicussing. But they will be here

Pedrunn · February 25, 2003, 16:09

A10: Check Queston 11

A11: Yes for sure! In case the MoDA/President accept rushbuy the units in the story, the President accepts minimize the food slider and all the people accepts the risks:
TURN 1: Move Hoplite near CL to CL. Send two units from Colonia Locuta to Pedrunnia (1H and 1A). Move all the Four units from Pedrunnia (2H and a 2A) to Graz by the path: NW, NW, W, W, W, N (this last one far from Graz) . Move Bait inside Pressburg. Move all 2A/1H from Pressburg to south .

TURN 2: Still move unit as said in turn 1. Meet all H Tower units with units from Pressburg (W). Call 'back up'.

TURN 3: Move Lemuforce to Graz inside the forest! Send Back south

TURN 4: Meet units from Pedrunnia with Back Up. And prepare it to attack Graz.

TURN 5+: Attack Graz with both stack at the same time. First Lemuforce than Back Up.

if anyone of the cited dont accept the reisk or the looses of the attackk do this:

Turn 1: Move two units from mapfipolis (archer and hop) to Colonia Locuta (they will arrive in CL in turn 3).

Turn 2: Colonia Locuta will have 4 units by that time. We wait the stack from mapfipolis arrive. We may consider rush buying the archer in mapfipolis now!

Turn 3: The 2 units from mapfipolis just arrive in Colonia Locuta counting 6 units in it. The unit building in Colonia Locuta will be built in one turn. For any reason if not we rush buy it.

Turn 4: There are 7 (1 archer from building) units in colonia Locuta. We leave a hoplite and a archer. Sending 4 hoplites and 1 archer to Pedrunnia which will arrive in turn 7.

Turn 5: Not much to do here other than move the units from CL to Pedrunnia.

Turn 6: In Pedrunnia the defense will be 4A and 2H (And one turn to finish a hop). The army arrives in Pedrunnia and we create the second army composed of 5 Hops and 4 Archers. leaving 1H and !A in the Pedrunnia Defenders. If we send units from H Town we can have a even bigger stack.

Turn 7: We send the second army to Graz going along the river or from the path give by the game. Dont really matter. The unit will be ready to atack Graz in turn 11.

A12: Heal in Pressburg!

A13: Not until we have conquered Graz. After that if one of the cities do have four or more units and a warrior. Send a warrior to explore that part of the map with undefined path. The path will need to be discussed during the chat

A14: Name the wounded warrior Bait. The 12 stack will still be called Lemuforce. And the second stack 'Back up'

I Wont be in the chat

MrBaggins · February 25, 2003, 16:31

MoDA response: The plan is to keep the build orders as is, extending the alternation where required, except where the Graz attack plan notes otherwise

Colonia Locuta should change to a slightly mixed queue:

Hoplite
Archer
Hoplite
Hoplite

After a successful attack on Graz, is should do a standard alternating build pattern (I.E. Hoplite, Archer, Hoplite, Archer)

After the conquest of Graz and baring essential defensive building, Pressburg should change production to Settler, Settler, Settler. A close eye should be kept to prevent it from building faster than it can grow at size1. In this event, additional units should be built there to slow the production, or farmers used to slow the production and increase the growth as appropriate and necessary.

The first settler will be sent, when appropriate escort means are provided, to the south western potato site, on the grassland to the south of the potato, just on the edge of our borders.

I have not yet come to a decision on appropriate sites for additional settlers. I feel that the lack of roads will cause us some difficulty in dealing with happiness issues in current prospective sites. Therefore, an order in the event of a second settler is to disband it in Pedrunnia to grow the city and to add extra production to the wonder.

Pedrunnia will initiate building the Ramajana.

As noted in the discussion, Graz and HTown will assist in the defensive needs of Pressburg, and Colonia Locuta and Mapfipolis will assist in the defensive needs of Pedrunnia, as per MoD suggestion... whilst the MoD feels that a viable Austrian threat is present.

In terms of specialist assignment, merely farmers as necessary in Pressburg, during its production of Settlers.

In regards to the wonder construction... I've noted it in the plan above.

I don't know if I'll be able to attend. I hope to... but am unsure at this moment, whether I will or won't.

MrBaggins

Locutus · February 25, 2003, 17:59

Turn 79.

Martin Gühmann · February 25, 2003, 18:37

A save for Mr Baggins.

Locutus · February 25, 2003, 18:38

Before...

(H Town doesn't riot for Martin)

Locutus · February 25, 2003, 18:51

... and After

Martin Gühmann · February 25, 2003, 18:53

The survivors of the Battle of Graz.

Yeah we won with first stack.

Martin Gühmann · February 25, 2003, 18:55

The save game after the battle of Graz.

Locutus · February 25, 2003, 19:29

Turn 83 (this just keeps getting better and better...)

Locutus · February 25, 2003, 20:05

Chat Report

[22:03] <MartinGuehmann> So TURN CHAT STARTS NOW
[22:04] <MartinGuehmann> The first thing I have to do is filling the build queues
[22:04] <mrbaggins> are the orders clear to you, Martin
[22:04] <MartinGuehmann> unfortunatly MrBaggins posted his orders just before the chat
[22:04] <mrbaggins> or do you need me to clarify them?
[22:06] <MartinGuehmann> OK I did the change in CL
[22:06] <mrbaggins> cool..
[22:06] * maq has joined #lemuria
[22:06] <mrbaggins> did anyone notice the missing tech btw?
[22:06] <mrbaggins> ahh.. we have an MoD *smiles*
[22:06] <maq> evening
[22:06] <Locutus>

[22:07] <MartinGuehmann> It is better to do the build queues later
[22:07] <Locutus> hi, maq
[22:07] <MartinGuehmann> Hi Maq
[22:07] <maq> hey
[22:07] <Locutus> ehm, mrb, didn't follow the savegame discussion?
[22:07] <mrbaggins> no, Locutus
[22:07] <mrbaggins> I guess I should
[22:08] <MartinGuehmann> In the meantime I replaced the savegame by a healthy one
[22:08] <mrbaggins> I agree, Martin... they can really wait until after the Graz attack. Our building strat changes then
[22:08] <Locutus> well, to summarize: Martin replaced about a gazillion times to get the tech back but leave everything else more or less unchanged. a new savegame has been uploaded, with some (very) minor changes
[22:08] <MartinGuehmann> Same research options but H Town needs one more turn to finish the hopelite
[22:08] <mrbaggins> ok... i'm gonna load the altenate one
[22:09] <Locutus> replaced = replayed BTW
[22:09] <MartinGuehmann> Oh and by the no one should forget to reloadslic
[22:10] <Locutus> so, what's next? moving units?
[22:10] <MartinGuehmann> Yes moving units
[22:11] <MartinGuehmann> So I would go first for the easiest one
[22:11] <MartinGuehmann> That would be the lonely warrior that should be called Bait
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[22:11] <Locutus> yes, that one should go into pressburg
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[22:12] <MartinGuehmann> Yes I do it now
[22:12] <Miggio> pedrunn has posted this:TURN 1: Move Hoplite near CL to CL.
[22:13] <Miggio> in the 10th turn chat thread
[22:13] <MartinGuehmann> Yes Miggio but that is only one of the two alternatives
[22:13] <Miggio> true
[22:13] <Miggio> which are we going with
[22:14] <MartinGuehmann> That depends on if we all accept the risks that will take the first plan with it
[22:14] <Locutus> that unit should go to CL regardless of what we're doing in the rest of the game

[22:14] <Miggio> i accept them
[22:14] <Locutus> me too, obviously
[22:14] <MartinGuehmann> Yes and has an automated move order
[22:15] <MartinGuehmann> and it is already executed
[22:15] <mrbaggins> option A)
[22:15] <mrbaggins> plan 1
[22:15] <Locutus> indeed, on my game too
[22:15] <MartinGuehmann> Wel I accept also the first plan
[22:15] <Locutus> mrb already accepted it in the forum, so unless he changed his mind that makes 4/7
[22:16] <mrbaggins> I think the people who voiced an opinion mainly spoke in favor of going for Graz ASAP
[22:16] <mrbaggins> so plan 1 is it
[22:16] <Locutus> indeed
[22:16] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah but I like also to haer the opion of the others
[22:16] <mrbaggins> sure
[22:16] <Locutus> only pedrunn was critical about it, initially...
[22:16] <MartinGuehmann> If noone object now it is plan 1
[22:17] <mrbaggins> silence denotes consent

[22:17] <Miggio> no objection here
[22:17] <Locutus> what mrbaggins said

[22:17] <MartinGuehmann> Yes so it is plan 1
[22:17] <mapfi> sound good but I have no clue anyway - haven't caught up with all the threads yet
[22:17] <Miggio> :b
[22:17] <mrbaggins> so thats another yes

[22:18] <Locutus> so, next step: move 1a1h from CL to Ped
[22:18] <MartinGuehmann> So next step is to move the two units from CL to Pedrunnia
[22:18] <Miggio> yup
[22:18] <Miggio> Move all the Four units from Pedrunnia (2H and a 2A) to Graz by the path: NW, NW, W, W, W, N (this last one far from Graz)
[22:19] <Locutus> one turn at a time - we might encounter barbs/austrians...
[22:20] <Miggio> thats the same turn
[22:20] <Miggio> different set of units
[22:20] <Locutus> nw, nw is, the wwwn part isn't

[22:20] <mrbaggins> agreed
[22:20] <MartinGuehmann> Units from Pedrunnia moved
[22:20] <MartinGuehmann> and unit from CL moved
[22:20] <Miggio> Move all 2A/1H from Pressburg to south
[22:20] <Locutus> wait, is that right?
[22:21] <Miggio> thats from the thread
[22:21] <mrbaggins> thats the thread
[22:21] <Locutus> my original plan said 2 units, not 3. of course, 3 is also possible but that will leave Pressburg even more vulnerable...
[22:21] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah it is risky
[22:21] <mrbaggins> 3 is ok
[22:21] <Miggio> how many units will be left in press
[22:21] <Locutus> just a warrior
[22:21] <mrbaggins> move 1 from HTown
[22:21] <MartinGuehmann> One wounded warrior
[22:21] <Miggio> bait right
[22:22] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[22:22] <Miggio> i would say only move 2 then
[22:22] <Locutus> (and a hoplite next turn if we rush-buy it)
[22:22] <mrbaggins> The movement in front of HTown protects it a bit...
[22:22] <mrbaggins> i think we go with 3
[22:22] <mrbaggins> seriously... we shouldn't nit pick here
[22:22] <mrbaggins> better too many than too few
[22:22] <mrbaggins> move 1 troop from HTown north
[22:23] <mrbaggins> or better
[22:23] <Locutus> well, if we change the production to archer and rush-buy it (if needed), I can live with 3. even safer in the attack
[22:23] <mrbaggins> move 2 from Pressburg
[22:23] <mrbaggins> one from HTown
[22:23] <Locutus> we already plan on using ALL troops in H Town, mrbaggins...
[22:23] * mrbaggins smiles
[22:24] <mrbaggins> ok then
[22:24] <MartinGuehmann> so we do the risky plan three then
[22:24] <mrbaggins> its ok with me
[22:24] <Miggio> yes
[22:24] <Locutus> so, leave just the warrior in P-burg?
[22:24] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[22:24] <mrbaggins> i think warrior/Hoplite should be ok
[22:24] <Locutus> I say yes too
[22:24] <MartinGuehmann> So any objections?
[22:24] <Locutus> warrior+archer would be better, MrB.
[22:24] <Locutus> if we change produciton...
[22:25] <mrbaggins> true...
[22:25] <mrbaggins> ok.. change production
[22:25] <mrbaggins> to archer
[22:25] <MartinGuehmann> So 3 units and production to archer
[22:25] <mrbaggins> yes
[22:25] <mrbaggins> and rush it
[22:25] <mrbaggins> 215 gold
[22:25] <mrbaggins> agreed?
[22:25] <MartinGuehmann> and adding up to 4 units to the build queue
[22:25] <Locutus> yup
[22:26] <mrbaggins> thats fine, Martin, except I plan on changing it post Graz, anyway
[22:26] <MartinGuehmann> 215 gold agreed
[22:27] <HTower> gtg, group meeting for school calls me
[22:27] * HTower has left #lemuria
[22:27] <Miggio> bye H
[22:27] <MartinGuehmann> added archer and hoplite to the build queue and deleted the first item and rush bought the archer
[22:27] <MartinGuehmann> Bye H
[22:27] <Locutus> he's already gone

[22:27] <mrbaggins> Don't we have to move the Lemuforce this turn?
[22:28] <MartinGuehmann> I think we don't have to move it
[22:28] <Locutus> the 12 stack? well, if we want to keep the plan secret, then no. if we want to keep an eye on Graz, then yes. what do we want?
[22:28] <mrbaggins> i say move now
[22:28] <MartinGuehmann> But we could expell the settler
[22:29] <mrbaggins> if they leave the city, I want to know about it
[22:29] <mrbaggins> (the Graz stack)
[22:29] <Miggio> well if they see a 12 stack comming they will send more our way
[22:29] <Miggio> units that is
[22:29] <mrbaggins> mini vote?
[22:29] <MartinGuehmann> I don't think they will leave the city
[22:30] <mrbaggins> i've seen it happen plenty of times in SAP2 games
[22:30] <Locutus> yeah, frenzy can do things like that sometimes
[22:30] <mapfi> 2nd baggins
[22:30] <mrbaggins> i vote move
[22:30] <MartinGuehmann> Well so let's move it to see
[22:30] <Locutus> reluctantly 2nd mrbaggins...
[22:30] <Miggio> yes lets move
[22:30] <mrbaggins> SW
[22:31] <MartinGuehmann> As I said I vote move it too
[22:31] <mapfi> what settler is that you were talking about?
[22:31] <MartinGuehmann> It is a Scottish settler
[22:31] <Miggio> near H town
[22:31] <mrbaggins> SW-SW rather
[22:31] <Locutus> agreed, sw-sw
[22:32] <MartinGuehmann> I can only move it one tile SW
[22:32] <mrbaggins> huh?
[22:32] <mrbaggins> odd
[22:32] <Locutus> why?
[22:32] <MartinGuehmann> It is not on the river
[22:32] <Locutus> uhm, it is...
[22:33] <mrbaggins> river and then more river
[22:33] <Locutus> sw is river
[22:34] <MartinGuehmann> Could you post a screenshot
[22:34] <Miggio> there is one http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...6&pagenumber=2
[22:34] <MartinGuehmann> to see that we are talking about the same situation
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[22:35] <Miggio> mapfi_
[22:35] <mapfi_> bad connection - as I said
[22:35] <Miggio> ?!?!
[22:35] <Miggio> oh
[22:35] <Locutus> the stack is sw of HT, the river sw of the stack
[22:36] <MartinGuehmann> OK I got it
[22:36] <Miggio> ??river with farm or not??
[22:36] <MartinGuehmann> So SW SW
[22:36] <Locutus> no, that's south. sw-sw has no form (but it is river+grassland)
[22:37] <Locutus> farm, rather
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[22:37] <Locutus> ouch...
[22:37] <Miggio> lol map
[22:37] <mapfi__> sorry
[22:37] <Locutus> shall I kick the old ones?
[22:37] <mapfi__> please do
[22:37] * mapfi was kicked by Locutus (Locutus)
[22:37] * mapfi_ was kicked by Locutus (Locutus)
[22:38] <maq> made it look like there was more people
[22:38] <MartinGuehmann> So before I move the size 12 stack I think we have to talk about the slider settings
[22:39] <MartinGuehmann> without the martial law Pressburg and H Town will riot next turn
[22:40] <Locutus> yeayeah, HTown and Pressburg are unhappy, and that's not gonna get better anytime soon. turn the food slider up a notch, I say...
[22:40] <Miggio> pedrunn suggested to minimise the food slider
[22:40] <Locutus> rations, that is
[22:40] * mapfi__ is now known as mapfi
[22:40] <mrbaggins> i think so
[22:40] <mapfi> yep, move the food slider
[22:41] <maq> whats the wages slider on?
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah one or two notches
[22:41] <Locutus> everything is maxed out right now
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> the other sliders are maxed out
[22:41] <mrbaggins> 2 notches
[22:41] <Locutus> no, 1 should do
[22:41] <mrbaggins> 2 notches works
[22:41] <mrbaggins> no one starves
[22:41] <maq> id sacrifice more wages...
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> 2 notches for shure
[22:41] <Locutus> oh wait, wrong mod

[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> 1 notch for possible
[22:42] <MartinGuehmann> actual only wrong government

[22:42] <MartinGuehmann> so I go for two
[22:42] <Miggio> i 2nd that
[22:42] <Locutus> 1 notch gives 74 happiness. we need those units in HTown, or the city will be undefended. so let's play safe and go for 2 for the moment (change back ASAP)
[22:43] <mrbaggins> no wage notches needed
[22:43] <mrbaggins> go with 2 notches on food
[22:43] <MartinGuehmann> ok I moved the units out of Pressburg
[22:43] <Locutus> sorry, 72, not 74
[22:43] <Locutus> btw, shall we change production in pedrunnia from archer to hoplite? It has 1a now with 1a1h underway...
[22:44] <MartinGuehmann> Yup that would be better
[22:44] <mrbaggins> no, Locutus...
[22:44] <MartinGuehmann> No, why
[22:44] <mrbaggins> its partially going to provide Pedrunnia with defense
[22:44] <mrbaggins> those were my thoughts
[22:44] <mrbaggins> oh.. my bad
[22:44] <Locutus> why not, mrbaggins? that leaves a more balanced army? it needs those hoplites anyway...
[22:44] <mrbaggins> yes
[22:45] <mrbaggins> lets go with hoplite
[22:45] <mrbaggins> it'll be done prior to Graz attack
[22:45] <mrbaggins> so go ahead
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[22:46] <MartinGuehmann> So inserted hoplite at the front of the queue and inserted an hpelite between the archers
[22:46] <mapfi_> yehaa - i'm sorry, not my day today - i'm going now anyway, just wanted to say good bye
[22:46] <MartinGuehmann> So good bye
[22:46] <Miggio> bye mapfi
[22:46] <maq> g'night
[22:46] <mapfi_> maq, actually the night's just about to start...

[22:47] <MartinGuehmann>

[22:47] <mrbaggins> so can we move the 12 stack now?
[22:47] <mrbaggins>

[22:47] <Locutus> bye, mapfi
[22:47] <MartinGuehmann> Of course if you confirm the changes to the build queue I made
[22:47] * mapfi_ has quit IRC (Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com))
[22:47] <Locutus> yeah, move the stack already

[22:47] <mrbaggins> MoDA: confirmed, Martin... hoplite, archer, hoplite archer in Pedrunnia
[22:48] * mapfi was kicked by Locutus (Locutus)
[22:48] <Miggio> lol
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> Moved stack SW SW
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> We can see Graz now
[22:48] <maq> i take it no ones doing screenshots tonight? that wouldve been helpful

[22:48] <Locutus> good
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> SO END TURN
[22:48] <mrbaggins> save... and we can do screenshots later
[22:48] <Locutus> no
[22:48] <mrbaggins> END TURN
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah save first
[22:48] <Locutus> should we rush-buy then unit in town?
[22:48] <Locutus> htown
[22:49] <mrbaggins> htown?
[22:49] <Locutus> it's gonna be with 0 defenses in 2 turns. we need to get those back up to level ASAP
[22:49] <Locutus> already lost a turn due to martin's replaying
[22:50] <Locutus> it'll cost 753
[22:50] <mrbaggins> i don't have an absolute opinion
[22:50] <mrbaggins> its a lot of cash
[22:50] <mrbaggins> do you have an opinion, Locutus?
[22:50] <Locutus> I do

I think it's needed
[22:50] <MartinGuehmann> So I saw one Austrian unit entering Graz, I think it was a hoplite
[22:50] <mrbaggins> Martin?
[22:50] <mrbaggins> too late

[22:51] <Locutus> damn you martin, I said no!
[22:51] <Locutus> oh well...
[22:51] <MartinGuehmann> Damn ...
[22:51] <mrbaggins> I saw it too
[22:51] <Miggio> that would probally put graz at 12defenders
[22:51] <MartinGuehmann> ok ..
[22:51] <mrbaggins> we'll still be ok...
[22:51] <mrbaggins> they are frontline heavy
[22:51] <Miggio> true
[22:52] <MartinGuehmann> So let's continue
[22:52] <mrbaggins> move CL stack to Pedrunnia
[22:52] <maq> park the stack outside their city and see if they attack us
[22:52] <Locutus> yeah, a hoplite moved in
[22:52] <MartinGuehmann> H Town has a happiness of 72
[22:52] <Locutus> with 2 stacks we can manage probably...
[22:53] <Locutus> 72? how can that be?
[22:53] <mrbaggins> are you sure Martin? its 73 in my game
[22:53] <mrbaggins> what do you have your food slider set to?
[22:53] <mrbaggins> and how many defenders?
[22:53] <Locutus> it's 72 in mine too
[22:54] <MartinGuehmann> food slider gives +1 happiness
[22:54] <mrbaggins> right
[22:54] <mrbaggins> f*** i left a wage slider set to 1 notch
[22:54] <MartinGuehmann> food slider is set as discribed 2 nothches
[22:54] <Locutus> ouch, war discontent - that might be the culprit...
[22:55] <mrbaggins> yes... war discontent... but what are we gonna do?
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> yes -1
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> Well we could leave it and hope the hopelite is finished next turn
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> or we can rush buy it
[22:55] <Miggio> move the 12 stack back into our territory
[22:55] <Locutus> hmm, increase wages for 1 turn? to at least make sure the city will have 1 defender?
[22:55] <Miggio> that will get rid of war dis
[22:56] <Locutus> no, that stack is needed where it is
[22:56] <mrbaggins> no, miggio... we have to move on now
[22:56] <mrbaggins> i'm ok with a notch on the wages slider
[22:56] <Locutus> the slider loss will be more than made up for if we take graz...
[22:56] <Miggio> i really need a screen shot
[22:57] <mrbaggins> the Graz area, Miggio?
[22:57] <Locutus> k, booting up PSP
[22:57] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah one notch will do it
[22:57] <Miggio> yes pls
[22:57] <maq> 2 stacks will be close...
[22:57] <MartinGuehmann> So I will add one notch
[22:58] <mrbaggins> so...stack from Pressburg SE-SE?
[22:59] <MartinGuehmann> So then they are in H Town
[22:59] <mrbaggins> that puts it into HTown and cures happiness for next turn
[22:59] <Locutus> to H Town indeed
[22:59] <MartinGuehmann> That means I don't need to move the slider
[22:59] <mrbaggins> and no need for a slider move
[22:59] <mrbaggins> right
[22:59] <Locutus> good point
[23:00] <MartinGuehmann> so it goes to H Town
[23:00] <mrbaggins> everyone agrees?
[23:00] <Locutus> I had actually calculated that in in my plan - already forgot about that

[23:00] <Miggio> i agree
[23:00] <mrbaggins> ok.. reset the slider and move the units then
[23:00] <MartinGuehmann> So it is done and the slider is reset
[23:01] <mrbaggins> move the 12 stack to the forest
[23:01] <mrbaggins> and move the pedrunnia stack w
[23:01] <Locutus> screenshot posted for miggio (not that there's much to see)
[23:01] <mrbaggins> but that should be simon says *G*
[23:01] <Miggio> Meet all H Tower units with units from Pressburg (W). Call 'back up'
[23:02] <Locutus>

[23:02] <Miggio> thanks
[23:02] <MartinGuehmann> Yes I give it a pathed move order so it will move three times West
[23:02] <Locutus> don't give it a path order - we may encounter unexpected company and we don't want the army to move on its own before that...
[23:02] <mrbaggins> can't move this turn, but will next, right?
[23:03] <Locutus> damn, sorry, screenshot screwed up. will do it again
[23:03] <mrbaggins> agreed, Locutus... please cancel pathed order
[23:03] <Miggio> ok
[23:03] <MartinGuehmann> pathed move order cancled
[23:04] <mrbaggins> 12 stack in forest?
[23:04] <mrbaggins> (fortify?)
[23:04] <mrbaggins> end turn
[23:04] <mrbaggins> (if you all agree)
[23:05] <MartinGuehmann> End Turn not yet
[23:06] <Locutus> agree
[23:06] <Locutus> what's left, martin?

Locutus · February 25, 2003, 20:05

[23:06] <Locutus> screenie *is* posted now
[23:06] <Miggio> i see it thanks
[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> Some troops from CL to Pedrunnia, but they will move on their own
[23:07] <mrbaggins> ok
[23:07] <Locutus> ah, already did that myself

[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> And one new unit in CL I think I will fortify it
[23:07] <mrbaggins> ok
[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> So the Lemuforce is left
[23:08] <mrbaggins> move se to forest
[23:08] <mrbaggins> fortify
[23:08] <Locutus> miggio: only differency at the moment is that the 12-stack is now on the forest and will fortify
[23:08] <Locutus> (in the screenie, that is)
[23:08] <Locutus> oh, and the units outside pressburg moved to HTown
[23:09] <maq> how many in h town on that screenshot?
[23:09] <Locutus> 2
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> So Lemuforce direct to the forest in fromt of Graz
[23:09] <Locutus> yes
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> OK
[23:10] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[23:10] <mrbaggins> ok.. End Turn
[23:10] <Locutus> yup, end turn
[23:10] <MartinGuehmann> I will fortify all the new defenders in our towns and then should be end turn
[23:10] <Locutus> yes
[23:10] <mrbaggins> ok
[23:10] <MartinGuehmann> END TURN 79
[23:11] <Miggio> ok
[23:11] <mrbaggins> i'd be nice if the Austrians would plant some more TI's around Graz before we storm it...

[23:11] <Locutus> no changes visible. just new units finished in ped, HT and press
[23:11] <Locutus> indeed

[23:12] <Locutus> sorry, not press
[23:12] <mrbaggins> me too
[23:13] <MartinGuehmann> Yup, but I think my slic will build first a trading post around Troppau
[23:13] <mrbaggins> ok.. so 5 units leave HTown this turn
[23:13] <Miggio> is our 4 stack moving to h town
[23:13] <Miggio> or to graz
[23:13] <Locutus> btw, did you guys also get those wonder messages from the germans in the previous turn?
[23:14] <MartinGuehmann> Yes two civs started the Ramajana
[23:14] <Miggio>

[23:14] <Locutus> yup, 5-stack south, 4-stack west, fortify new units. end turn.
[23:14] <mrbaggins> make it 3 hoplites two archers
[23:14] <mrbaggins> from HTown
[23:14] <Locutus> hmm, for me the Germans started 2 wonders and no other civs did anything...
[23:14] <mrbaggins> to balance the 10 stack
[23:15] <mrbaggins> agreed Locutus, Martin?
[23:15] <Locutus> agreed
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> 3H 2A
[23:15] <mrbaggins> yes
[23:16] <Miggio> 22 units to hit graz, they wont stand a chance
[23:16] <mrbaggins> insert a hoplite at the head of the queue
[23:16] <MartinGuehmann> So move five units from H Town S
[23:16] <mrbaggins> in HTown
[23:16] <Locutus> 21, actually
[23:16] <mrbaggins> 22 unless 10+12 doesn't equal 22
[23:17] <mrbaggins> or 5+5+12
[23:17] <maq>

[23:17] <Miggio> oh well
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[23:17] <Miggio>

[23:17] <Locutus> 4+5 by my count
[23:17] <MartinGuehmann> For me that are 21
[23:17] <Locutus> hmm...
[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> Yes for me too
[23:18] <Miggio> 21 works, but MrB just left
[23:18] <Locutus> he better get back soon or he'll miss the big assault

[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> Yes

[23:18] <Miggio>

[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> OK 4 size stack one west
[23:19] <MartinGuehmann> Hm I already moved it
[23:19] <Locutus> I can already see the headlines in the Lemuria Herald: "MRBAGGINS FLEES BATTLEFIELD IN FEAR EVEN BEFORE FIRST SHOT IS FIRED"

[23:19] <Miggio>

[23:19] <MartinGuehmann>

[23:20] <maq> bet we lose 15 units... place your bets
[23:20] <MartinGuehmann> So one tile between our 4 size stack and Graz
[23:20] <Locutus> that should do the reputation of the war party some damage

[23:20] <Locutus> I say 16
[23:20] <Miggio>

[23:20] <Miggio> i say 0
[23:21] <maq>

[23:21] <MartinGuehmann>

[23:21] <Miggio> but thats the optimist in me
[23:21] <maq> no harm in that
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's continue
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> Move the army in H Town one South
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> and leave an Archer behind
[23:21] <Locutus> hmm, yeah. I missed half a MP somehwere in my planning. that means waiting another turn

oh well...
[23:22] <Miggio> thats fine we have a good eye on graz
[23:22] <Locutus> yup
[23:22] <MartinGuehmann> Yup
[23:23] <MartinGuehmann> So let's move the stack in H Town one South and leave an Archer behind
[23:23] <Locutus> yes. do that.
[23:23] <Miggio> ok
[23:24] <MartinGuehmann> So finally fortify the 12 size stack on the forest
[23:24] <Locutus> good.
[23:24] <Locutus> what, you should have done that last turn...
[23:24] <Locutus> oh well...
[23:24] <Locutus> not that it'll make much of a difference...
[23:25] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah it was possible last turn
[23:25] <MartinGuehmann> Fortified the last new unit
[23:25] <Locutus> okay. end turn?
[23:25] <MartinGuehmann> And TURN 80 ENDED automaticly
[23:26] <MartinGuehmann> Another civ started to build the Ramajana
[23:26] <Miggio> works for me
[23:26] <maq> have u got auto-cycle turns on martin?
[23:26] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[23:26] <maq> eep
[23:26] <Miggio> miggio kisses Ramajana good bye

[23:26] <maq> might be easier if u were in charge of the turn ending
[23:27] <MartinGuehmann> New defenders in CL and MP are ready
[23:27] <Locutus> yup, for me too (ramajana)
[23:27] <MartinGuehmann> Miggio it is not to late but the time is getting short
[23:27] <Locutus> yeah, for the sake of the DG, we should be very careful with ending turns and moving units automatically. people may want to do some last minute changes...
[23:29] <MartinGuehmann> Disabled it but has to be doen again next time as my userprofile.tst is write protected
[23:29] <maq> just alter your userprofile then protect it again
[23:30] <MartinGuehmann> Well next time
[23:30] <MartinGuehmann> So let's continue
[23:30] <Locutus> yes.
[23:30] <Locutus> form a 9-stack east of graz?
[23:31] <MartinGuehmann> Ok East of Graz
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[23:31] <mrbaggins> still going?
[23:31] <MartinGuehmann> so I move the stack from H town two tiles S and the stack from Pedrunnia one tile West
[23:32] <Miggio> welcome back
[23:32] <mrbaggins> how are we doing?
[23:32] <Locutus> just to be safe, fortify it too
[23:32] <Locutus> yes, martin
[23:32] <mrbaggins> one turn on, right?
[23:32] <Miggio> right
[23:32] <Locutus> hi, mrb. you're right in time

[23:32] <MartinGuehmann> Or should I use the original plane move the 4 size stack one west and one north and the other stack only one s
[23:32] <MartinGuehmann> Hi MrB
[23:32] <Miggio> next turn Graz is ours
[23:32] <Locutus> next turn is will determine the future of Lemuria

[23:33] <MartinGuehmann> So form it E of Graz or NE NE of Graz?
[23:33] <Miggio> ne ne of graz would be better
[23:33] <Locutus> no, closer to the city. that way ZOC can't ruin anything.
[23:33] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah I think too
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> that is a good argument
[23:34] <Miggio> ok then closer to the city
[23:34] <Locutus> either way, graz can attack the 9 stack due to the river, so there's no advantage in ne-ne
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> and if the Austrians attack it one less work for our other stack

[23:34] <Miggio> if they attack then the city will be undefended
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> So I go E of Graz
[23:35] <Locutus> good
[23:35] <mrbaggins> can i get a save... or a screenshot?
[23:35] <MartinGuehmann> After the next end turn I post a save
[23:35] <mrbaggins> a save may be wise if you haven't yet

[23:35] <Locutus> I'll post a screenie right before the attack - gives a nice before-after effect

[23:35] <mrbaggins> fine by me
[23:35] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah a save right before the attack and one after the attack
[23:36] <mrbaggins> ok
[23:36] <Locutus> so, anything left to do this turn, other than fortify the new units?
[23:36] <MartinGuehmann> So any other opions about forming the stack E of Graz?
[23:36] <MartinGuehmann> I think then Yes
[23:36] <Miggio> first its Graz, Then the entire Austrian Empire

[23:37] <MartinGuehmann> So I form it East of Graz now
[23:37] <Locutus> just form the stack and fortify, will ya

I wanna see some blood

[23:37] <Locutus> austrian blood, preferablye
[23:38] <Miggio>

[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> Formed and fortified I am going to group the defenders
[23:38] <Locutus> good
[23:38] <Miggio> name em 'backup' just at pedrunn says
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> So end turn?
[23:38] <Locutus> yeah, AFAIAC
[23:39] <Miggio> ...
[23:39] <MartinGuehmann> Ok END TURN 81

Locutus · February 25, 2003, 20:08

[23:39] <Locutus> uh-oh
[23:39] <Miggio> at = as
[23:39] <mrbaggins> what??
[23:39] <Locutus> martin, do you see that new stack?
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> The size 4 stack of the Austrians arrived in front of H Town
[23:40] <Miggio>

[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, Locutus
[23:40] <mrbaggins> Screenshot
[23:40] <mrbaggins> plz
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> But it is the old wounded one
[23:40] <Locutus> screenshot will be posted now
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> So I post a save first now
[23:40] <Locutus> it's still 4 units, marint, they can take the city...
[23:40] <mrbaggins> thanks Martin
[23:40] <mrbaggins> yes... but they certainly can't hold it
[23:41] <mrbaggins> even if they did
[23:41] <Locutus> the city only has 1 defender

[23:41] <mrbaggins> and when we retake... +1 happiness for 25 turns
[23:41] <mrbaggins> IIRC
[23:41] <Locutus> btw, does HTown riot for you, martin?
[23:41] <maq> oh dear
[23:41] <mrbaggins> somethink like that anyway
[23:41] <Locutus> that's true...
[23:41] <Locutus> the one up-side. but that's assuming enough units survive graz of course...
[23:42] * mrbaggins smiles
[23:42] <Miggio> but if we suffer heavy causlties at graz we may be in trouble
[23:42] <mrbaggins> we'll be fine
[23:42] <mrbaggins> save, martin?
[23:42] * Turambar has joined #lemuria
[23:42] <Turambar> hey
[23:43] <Miggio> hi turambar
[23:43] <mrbaggins> hey Turambar
[23:43] <mrbaggins> we are about to gain a city, lose a city *winks*
[23:43] <Turambar> ?
[23:44] <mrbaggins> we'll do a screenshot and you'll see
[23:44] <MartinGuehmann> Hi Turumbar
[23:44] <Miggio> the austrians are going to take H town and we are going to take Graz
[23:44] <maq> evening
[23:44] <MartinGuehmann> Savegame posted
[23:45] <Locutus> okay, shall we commence the attack?
[23:45] <mrbaggins> ok 12 stack first
[23:45] <Locutus> yup
[23:45] <mrbaggins> or?
[23:45] <mrbaggins> yes
[23:45] <Miggio>

[23:46] <Locutus> of course
[23:46] <MartinGuehmann> H Town does not riot for me
[23:46] <MartinGuehmann> Bur we have a problem right now
[23:46] <Locutus> k. namely?
[23:47] <mrbaggins> change production in HTown to Hoplite
[23:47] <Turambar> brb
[23:47] <MartinGuehmann> Well the 4 size stack but I see a way to solve it
[23:47] <Locutus> a little late now

[23:47] <mrbaggins> which is?
[23:47] <Locutus> which is?
[23:47] <MartinGuehmann> by using our 12 size stack and postpone the attack
[23:47] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah production in H Twon must be changed
[23:47] <Locutus> no! graz is far, far more important
[23:47] <mrbaggins> nope
[23:48] <mrbaggins> we do the attack right now
[23:48] <mrbaggins> we'll retake graz if need be
[23:48] <Locutus> let them take h town if they must. we will retaliate.
[23:48] <Miggio> H town is that risk we spoke about earlier
[23:48] <Miggio> it can be held for now
[23:48] <Locutus> indeed. and we'll get a nice happiness bonus for retaking is, so that's nice too
[23:48] <mrbaggins> 2 on 4 injured could be only 2 of them left
[23:49] <mrbaggins> and a pretty easy battle to retake
[23:49] <MartinGuehmann> Ok Production in H Town changed to H A H A
[23:49] <MartinGuehmann> Yes I think too
[23:49] <Locutus> okay, so attack now

[23:49] <mrbaggins> go for it
[23:50] <Miggio>

mash em up good
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah and the stack could also go for Pressburg
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> so let's gamble
[23:50] <Locutus> so? we'll take that back too
[23:50] <Locutus> and it's fairly well defended
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> 12 size stack will now attack Graz first
[23:50] <Locutus> good
[23:50] <Locutus> Time for the Lemurian battle-cry: Blood Shall Run!
[23:51] <mrbaggins>

[23:51] <MartinGuehmann> 2nd attack with the 9 size stack if needed
[23:51] <Turambar> who's MoD btw?
[23:51] <mrbaggins>

[23:51] <MartinGuehmann> The one who asks

[23:52] <MartinGuehmann> At least he is the first person on Pedrunn's list
[23:52] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's take Graz
[23:52] <Locutus> w00t!
[23:52] <Miggio> we have orders from pedrunn too

[23:52] <maq> ah u just played the turn then turambar
[23:52] <mrbaggins> i'm happy
[23:52] <mrbaggins> they aren't fortified
[23:52] <Locutus> I took graz with 1 stack - 3 units surviving...
[23:52] <Locutus> let's hope martin does equally well...
[23:52] <maq>

[23:52] <mrbaggins> i took them with 1... 9 surviving

[23:52] <Turambar> yeah
[23:52] <Miggio>

[23:53] <maq> grassland, no city walls, to be expected i suppose
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann> Graz is our!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:53] <Turambar>

[23:53] <MartinGuehmann>

[23:53] <mrbaggins> how many losses?
[23:53] <mrbaggins>

[23:53] <Locutus>

[23:53] <Miggio>

arty:
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann> 4 Archers left
[23:53] <Miggio>

[23:53] <mrbaggins> splendid...
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann>

ance:
[23:53] <Locutus>

[23:53] <mrbaggins> great...
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann>

[23:53] <mrbaggins> lets calm down
[23:54] <Miggio> send the 9 stack back to H Town
[23:54] <mrbaggins> hold on a sec
[23:54] <Locutus> resistance is futile!
[23:54] <MartinGuehmann> So I post a screenshot with the survivors
[23:54] <Miggio>

[23:54] <Turambar> + a save

[23:54] <mrbaggins> ok... post a save, Martin...
[23:54] * mrbaggins smiles
[23:54] <mrbaggins> I bet they're sorry they declared war now
[23:55] <Turambar> lol
[23:55] <mrbaggins> they were asking for it anyway
[23:55] <mrbaggins>

[23:55] <Miggio> did they declare?
[23:55] <Miggio> or did we strike?
[23:56] <Turambar> we did
[23:56] <mrbaggins> they declared when we crossed their borders
[23:56] <mrbaggins> we were just coming to say 'hello'

[23:56] <Miggio> oh i c now
[23:56] <Miggio>

[23:56] <Locutus> oh wait, I had 4 survivors too

[23:57] <mrbaggins> must be that German RNG
[23:57] <mrbaggins>

[23:57] <Locutus> hmm, I'm not german...
[23:58] <Locutus> nor is my game
[23:58] <mrbaggins> what version is your CtP?
[23:58] <Locutus> (American, straight from Activision HQ)
[23:58] <Turambar> another battle for me to write about then...
[23:58] <Miggio> yup
[23:58] <Locutus> with another one (or even two) coming up, Turambar...
[23:59] <Turambar> i've still not done the last one either....
[23:59] <mrbaggins> ahh...
[23:59] <mrbaggins> Martin> gamesave?
[23:59] <Locutus> nope, you haven't. so get on it

[23:59] <Turambar> lol
[23:59] * Locutus enjoys reading Turambar's stories

[23:59] <Turambar> lol thanks

[00:00] <maq> indeed
[00:00] <MartinGuehmann> Fisrt the screenie
[00:00] <Locutus> we should have formed that 9-stack NE-NE after all

[00:01] <mrbaggins> yeah... but its ok... we'll still win in the end
[00:01] <Locutus> indeed. but we'll loose some science and gold this way. and the H Town will shrink twice

[00:02] <Turambar> how many defenders in H Town?
[00:02] <Locutus> 1
[00:02] <Miggio> ok so we lose 2 pops but we gained 7 pops
[00:02] <Turambar> what unit?
[00:02] <Locutus> what if we move the defender out? they'll have to attack it first, giving us more time to move back?
[00:02] <MartinGuehmann> If I see the path of the stack given by the game then we are in H Town in time
[00:02] <Locutus> archer
[00:02] <Turambar> that's what i was going to suggest
[00:02] <Locutus> then rush-buy the hoplite
[00:03] <mrbaggins> no... they attack = same thing as they move
[00:03] <Miggio> we wont make it in time
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> The Hop in H Town is in one turn finished anyway
[00:03] <Locutus> the path is wrong martin
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> if the city does not riots
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> I was afraid of it
[00:03] <Locutus> sorry, forgot about my revolt
[00:03] <mrbaggins> save, Martin?
[00:04] <MartinGuehmann> Save is already posted
[00:04] <Locutus> if we move the archer out, ZOC from the 9-stack should prevent the Austrians from attacking, I think
[00:04] <Locutus> the city, that is
[00:05] <mrbaggins> thanks.. got it
[00:05] <maq> right im off to bed goodluck with the attacking goodnight gentlemen
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[00:05] <Locutus> archer in H Town east, 9-stack n-ne
[00:05] <mrbaggins> we have to move the 9 stack n-ne
[00:06] <Locutus> 4-stack takes archer, 9-stack n to block 4-stack
[00:07] <mrbaggins> if they have a target to attack, ZOC doesn't count unfortunately
[00:07] <Locutus> rush-buy archer in pressburg, just in case...
[00:07] <Locutus> does that count for an empty city too?
[00:07] <mrbaggins> they are within 1 turn of the city
[00:07] <mrbaggins> i don't know 100% i believe so, though
[00:08] <Locutus> well, at least a 9-stack right next to them will give them some food for thought. they might even reconsider...
[00:08] <Miggio> empty cities are just like units
[00:08] <Miggio> they can enter the city no matter what ZOC is
[00:09] <Locutus> and if they do attack, after attacking the archer, they will face a hoplite in H TOwn. that will weaken them even further
[00:11] <MartinGuehmann> Well in case we move out the Archer from H Twon then I have to rush buy the hoplite
[00:11] <Miggio> just move to 9 stack back to H town and rush the hop mave the archer in front of the 4 stack
[00:11] <MartinGuehmann> otherwise the city will riot next turn
[00:11] <Miggio> yes
[00:11] <Locutus> agreed
[00:11] <Turambar> what about when the archers dead and hop is done move the hop out of H so it can then join the stack and we retake the city with 10 units?
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> So rush buy the hopelite?
[00:12] <mrbaggins> its done in 1
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> But it is not doen if the city riots next turn
[00:12] <Miggio> Tur has a good point
[00:12] <mrbaggins> MoDA order: Graz: Hoplite, Hoplite, Hoplite, Hoplite
[00:13] <Locutus> what's the advantage of that, Tur? 9 or 10 units, both will crush them. if they're badly hurt, a single hop defending the city and a 9-stack right next door might just be enough to change their mind...
[00:13] <Miggio> maybe
[00:13] <mrbaggins> actually... do you lose a pop when the city is undefended
[00:13] <mrbaggins> yes right?
[00:13] <Miggio> yes
[00:13] <mrbaggins> move the archer then
[00:13] <Turambar> but if they do attack we'll loose the hop. i'd rather come out of the whole thing with 10 rather than 9 units
[00:14] <Miggio> every time a city changes hands it loses a pop
[00:14] <MartinGuehmann> Graz' build queue with 4 H filled
[00:14] <Miggio> im with Tur on this one
[00:14] <mrbaggins> i think have the Hop in the city
[00:14] <mrbaggins> it gives them pause
[00:14] <mrbaggins> they'll be weakened just a little mor
[00:15] <mrbaggins> and have a SOD next to them
[00:15] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah I think the Hop should be in the city, too
[00:15] <mrbaggins> the AI might reconsider
[00:15] <Locutus> we don't need every single unit right now. with graz and htown we can pump out units pretty fast. I'd rather take a chance and possibly keep htown than play safe and loose it for sure
[00:15] <Miggio> them being weak doesnt matter our 9 will crush them
[00:15] <mrbaggins> right
[00:15] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, and the stack is not in best health
[00:15] <Turambar> lets see how things go this turn first....
[00:15] <mrbaggins> there is no question the Austrians will take the undefended city
[00:15] <MartinGuehmann> So one hoplite in H Town next turn
[00:15] <mrbaggins> well... we move the archer anyway
[00:16] <mrbaggins> will we rush... yes or no?
[00:16] <Miggio> yes we all agree to move the archer
[00:16] <Turambar> you can't rush if there's only onw turn to go.....
[00:16] <Locutus> agreed, let's see how this turn plays out first...
[00:16] <Miggio> i say yes to rushing
[00:16] <Turambar> can you?
[00:16] <MartinGuehmann> I think we should rush buy it, as I need for sliede moves to make that city content
[00:16] <Locutus> we can and we should
[00:16] <MartinGuehmann> I think I can... let's see
[00:17] <Turambar> can't on mine...
[00:17] <mrbaggins> i'm ok with rush buying
[00:17] <Locutus> and if not, we can reduce work hours until production is >1 turn, rush-buy, then move back

[00:17] <MartinGuehmann> Well not on the main screen but on the build screen, so it is doen
[00:17] <Locutus> or increase PW
[00:17] <MartinGuehmann> doen -> done
[00:17] <Turambar> k
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[00:18] <Turambar> hi
[00:18] <Tamerlin> Hi
[00:18] <Miggio> hi Tameriln
[00:18] <MartinGuehmann> Hi Tamerlin
[00:18] <Tamerlin> Great victory in Graz
[00:18] <mrbaggins> hi Tamerline
[00:18] * mrbaggins nods
[00:19] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah see the screenies
[00:19] <Tamerlin> Yes
[00:19] <Tamerlin> I have already seen them

[00:19] <Locutus> so, all units moved, martin?
[00:19] <MartinGuehmann> No not yet
[00:20] <Locutus> turns to drama: 11 (was 22 at start of chat)
[00:20] <Turambar> nice
[00:20] <Miggio> excellent
[00:20] <MartinGuehmann> So size nine stack?
[00:20] <Locutus> pw: 107
[00:20] <MartinGuehmann> I have 90
[00:20] <Miggio> move it towards H town
[00:20] <Locutus> n-ne

Locutus · February 25, 2003, 20:09

[00:20] <Tamerlin> What about the Austrian 4 units stack?
[00:21] <Miggio> they want to eat our babies
[00:21] <Turambar> our archer will crush it!
[00:21] <mrbaggins> its probably going to take HTown and be retaken by our 9 stack
[00:21] <Tamerlin> Fine
[00:21] <MartinGuehmann> So move out the archer from H Town
[00:21] <Locutus> we're dealing with it, tamerlin. we *may* be able to stop them, but maybe we can't and they'll take H Town for 1 turn
[00:21] <MartinGuehmann> But I see another possibilty we could move one unit out of Pressburg
[00:22] <mrbaggins> no...
[00:22] <mrbaggins> lets move the HTown one
[00:22] <mrbaggins> what if they go north?
[00:22] <Locutus> no, let's lure it TO the 9-stack, not away from it
[00:23] <mrbaggins> right
[00:23] <Miggio> locutus is right
[00:23] <Turambar> yeah
[00:23] <Tamerlin> Locutus is right
[00:23] <MartinGuehmann> OK move the A one West
[00:23] <Miggio> they will die its only a matter of time
[00:23] <Miggio>

[00:23] <Tamerlin> I suppose we are producing an hoplite in Graz
[00:23] <Miggio> yes
[00:24] <mrbaggins> Graz is HUGE... 36 science
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, and any opions about the movement?
[00:24] <Locutus> those trading posts, eh?
[00:24] <Tamerlin> Along the river?
[00:24] <mrbaggins> indeed
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> of the Archer
[00:24] <mrbaggins> W
[00:24] <Locutus> what movement?
[00:24] <Locutus> w
[00:24] <Turambar> w
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> I go also for W
[00:24] <Miggio> yup
[00:25] <MartinGuehmann> All movements done end turn?
[00:25] <Turambar> 9 stack?
[00:25] <Locutus> I assume martin moved it. if so, yes, end turn
[00:25] <MartinGuehmann> It is moved
[00:25] <mrbaggins> yes, if so
[00:25] <mrbaggins> end turn
[00:25] <MartinGuehmann> END TURN 81
[00:26] <mrbaggins> dont forget to reloadslic if you haven't
[00:26] <Locutus> they didn't attack!
[00:26] <Locutus> for me anyway...
[00:26] <MartinGuehmann> sorry it was turn 82 that we just ended
[00:26] <Turambar> didn't attack me either
[00:26] <mrbaggins> me either
[00:26] <MartinGuehmann> and no attack we have Graz we have H Town
[00:26] <mrbaggins> woohoo!
[00:26] <mrbaggins> yes!
[00:27] <Miggio>

arty:
[00:27] <mrbaggins> good planing guys...
[00:27] <mrbaggins> they are waiting to form that 5 stack
[00:27] <Turambar> it's waiting for that extra one
[00:27] <mrbaggins> idiots!!
[00:27] <Miggio> oh now were in trouble

[00:27] <Locutus> I don't see any other units but I'll believe you

[00:28] <Turambar> archer retreat, 9 stack north i assume....
[00:28] <Locutus> so, fortify archer and move 9-stack north?
[00:28] <mrbaggins> there is an austrian hoplite to the west
[00:28] <mrbaggins> hmmm
[00:28] <Turambar> yep
[00:28] <Locutus> if we retreat the archer, they can still attack the city 4 vs 2...
[00:28] <mrbaggins> rogjt
[00:28] <mrbaggins> right
[00:28] <Turambar> we could attack them first though
[00:28] <mrbaggins> leave the archer where it is
[00:28] <MartinGuehmann> But they need two turns to attack it
[00:29] <Tamerlin> Can't we rushbuy something in H town
[00:29] <Miggio> we just did
[00:29] <Tamerlin> OK
[00:29] <MartinGuehmann> and then we have our size nine in H Town
[00:29] <mrbaggins> nope
[00:29] <Turambar> we can attack them when they're just outside
[00:29] <Locutus> how, tur? with just the archer?
[00:29] <Miggio> they will use the river if we move that archer
[00:29] <Turambar> with the 9 stack
[00:29] <Locutus> tur, they can atttack in 1 turn over the river
[00:29] <mrbaggins> their stack could try for Pressburg
[00:30] <mrbaggins> i don't think it WILL
[00:30] <Turambar> dam, good point, missed that
[00:30] <mrbaggins> but it might try
[00:30] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah they will use the river so: fortify archer and move size nine army North
[00:30] <Miggio> yes
[00:31] <Tamerlin> yep
[00:31] <Turambar> sounds good. they'll probably wait for the 5th unit anyway
[00:31] <Locutus> mrbaggins: pressburg will have 3 healthy units by the time they get there. that would be quite risky for them...
[00:31] <Locutus> agreed, martin
[00:31] <MartinGuehmann> I do it
[00:32] <Turambar> any plans for the archer in Pedrunn?
[00:32] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[00:32] <MartinGuehmann> Actual I would fortify the ARcher
[00:32] <MartinGuehmann> But now I think we should talk about wonders
[00:32] <Turambar> :0
[00:33] <Locutus> btw, martin, do you see an extra hoplite or just the 4-stack?
[00:33] <Miggio> ramajana
[00:33] <mrbaggins> ok
[00:33] <mrbaggins> in Pedrunnia
[00:33] <MartinGuehmann> Only the stack
[00:33] <mrbaggins> delay the plan to build settlers in Pressburg till we reinfoce it a bit
[00:33] <Locutus> good. then I can post a screenie
[00:33] <mrbaggins> hmmm
[00:33] <Turambar> settlers?
[00:34] <mrbaggins> we might want to have a hoplite or two from the 9 stack go to Graz... btw...
[00:34] <Miggio> not yet
[00:34] <Turambar> when H is secure, yeah
[00:34] <Tamerlin> We need military units, not settlers
[00:34] <MartinGuehmann> inserted the Ramajana at the front of the current build queue of Pedrunnia
[00:34] <Locutus> nah, we should attacks wels now, and maybe troppau, with the 9 stack
[00:34] <MartinGuehmann> 30 turns to complete
[00:34] <mrbaggins> Graz and HTown can build units
[00:34] <Turambar> i wouldn't
[00:35] <mrbaggins> we need more cities and more production for the wonder
[00:35] <Turambar> we need more units
[00:35] <Tamerlin> Isn't Linz our next target?
[00:35] <Locutus> we need to clean up the north so we can focus on the south without worries...
[00:36] <mrbaggins> Wels...
[00:36] <mrbaggins> right
[00:36] <Miggio> thats true
[00:36] <Tamerlin> OK

[00:36] <Locutus> tam: it'll be well defended, I'd say we need AT LEAST 2 full stacks for it. before we have that many units, we can do other stuff first
[00:36] <mrbaggins> thats certainly size 2 or 3 btw now
[00:36] <Turambar> yeah
[00:36] <Tamerlin> Ok
[00:37] <mrbaggins> so...
[00:38] <MartinGuehmann> Ok, let's sort everything...
[00:38] <MartinGuehmann> wonder now: Yes or No?
[00:38] <Turambar> No
[00:38] <MartinGuehmann> Other opinions?
[00:38] <mrbaggins> MoDA: Build Ramajana in Pedrunnia
[00:38] <Miggio> i say yes to wonder
[00:38] <Turambar> bah, it needs more defenders imo
[00:38] <MartinGuehmann> And I aggree
[00:39] <mrbaggins> which it can get from CL/Mapfipolis
[00:39] <MartinGuehmann> Well these could be produced in other cities
[00:39] <mrbaggins> we can't just produce military units... and conquer...
[00:39] <mrbaggins> the War Weariness will kill us
[00:39] <Turambar> they need their own units too. we don't know where we'll be in 20 - 30 turns....
[00:39] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah we need also something for our people
[00:40] <mrbaggins> right...
[00:40] <mrbaggins> 2 cities not producing military units is ok at this point
[00:40] <Turambar> recruit them into the army instead, keep them busy

[00:40] <mrbaggins> Graz and HTown can provide
[00:40] <Turambar> 2?
[00:40] <mrbaggins> we also have a stack capable of roaming
[00:40] <Locutus> 30 turns to Ramajana sounds good
[00:40] <mrbaggins> Graz and HTown can provide the army to attack with
[00:40] <Tamerlin> IMO two cities producing units are not enough
[00:41] <mrbaggins> 4 towns will
[00:41] <mrbaggins> in total
[00:41] <Locutus> we can pump out all the units we need is other cities...
[00:41] <MartinGuehmann> 2 in the West and two in the East
[00:41] <mrbaggins> Graz, HTown, CL and Mapfipolis
[00:41] <Tamerlin> OK
[00:41] <Turambar> settler in press i take it?
[00:41] <mrbaggins> not yet
[00:41] <mrbaggins> one more defender
[00:41] <mrbaggins> then settler
[00:42] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah first some defence units
[00:42] <mrbaggins> 2 actually... 1 built next turn
[00:42] <Turambar> i'd rather reach the city limit from conquered austrians cities myself
[00:42] <mrbaggins> then 1 more after that
[00:42] <Tamerlin> Yes, a defender first
[00:42] <mrbaggins> Turambar
[00:42] <mrbaggins> there is something more to building a settler than that
[00:42] <Locutus> why a settler? where to settle? there's very little room...
[00:42] <mrbaggins> if we disband...
[00:42] <MartinGuehmann> So how many defenders in Pressburg?
[00:42] <mrbaggins> in a city
[00:42] <Locutus> ah, that sounds good
[00:42] <mrbaggins> we get both the production
[00:43] <mrbaggins> and a pop increase
[00:43] <mrbaggins> its a free lunch
[00:43] <MartinGuehmann> Well I would go for the South for the settler I mean
[00:43] <mrbaggins> indeed
[00:43] <MartinGuehmann> but that can be decided later any way
[00:43] <mrbaggins> the first settler east of the potato
[00:43] <Locutus> so a settler in pressburg it is...
[00:43] <mrbaggins> not immediately, but yes
[00:43] <Locutus> sorry, you're right
[00:44] <MartinGuehmann> So how many defenders should we build in Pressburg?
[00:44] <mrbaggins> this one, and one more
[00:44] <mrbaggins> then settlers
[00:44] <Tamerlin> I agree with MrBaggins
[00:44] <Turambar> 12 then setttler
[00:44] <Turambar>

[00:44] <mrbaggins> MODA Order: Pressburg: Hoplite, Archer, Settler, Settler, Settler
[00:45] <mrbaggins> we need to prune the Settler factory soon anyway...
[00:45] <MartinGuehmann> Order executed
[00:45] <mrbaggins> thanks
[00:45] <Locutus> 3 settlers takes 60 turns. let's not plan *that* far ahead

[00:45] <mrbaggins> can always change the queue
[00:45] <Miggio> it will probally change later
[00:46] <Locutus> of course, but it's easy to froget...
[00:46] <MartinGuehmann> Yup
[00:46] <mrbaggins> no it isn't

[00:46] <Turambar> anyway...
[00:46] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's continue
[00:46] <MartinGuehmann> The archer in front of H Town should be fortified
[00:46] <Locutus> shall we? I think that the end of this turn would be a good time to call it a night...
[00:47] <Turambar> how many turns we done?
[00:47] <mrbaggins> if the archer is fortified and the Wonder is being built at head of the queue in Pedrunnia...
[00:47] <mrbaggins> lets do 2 more turns
[00:47] <Locutus> uhm, 6ish, I think...
[00:47] <mrbaggins> i don't want to have this 4/5 stack issue unresolved
[00:47] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah finish this turn and let's see.
[00:47] <Turambar> couple more quick turns is fine
[00:47] <Locutus> well, if Martin hurries. I'm feal like crap and I'm tired and I think I'm the only one with a complete log...

[00:47] <mrbaggins> the conversations will be much cleaner
[00:48] <mrbaggins> i'm logging now...
[00:48] <Locutus> makes sense
[00:48] <Locutus> your log is incomplete...
[00:48] <mrbaggins> but with yours it will be
[00:48] <mrbaggins> its just an append
[00:48] <mrbaggins> EOT... come on
[00:48] <Locutus> true, but that's just more work
[00:48] <Locutus> I'd rather have 1 log
[00:48] <mrbaggins> lets hurry it up
[00:48] <Turambar> yeah
[00:49] <mrbaggins> you send me the log then Locutus
[00:49] <MartinGuehmann> So I fortify the remaining units
[00:49] <Turambar> all units moved?
[00:49] <mrbaggins> i'll append it
[00:49] <MartinGuehmann> not yet
[00:49] <mrbaggins> yes, Martin
[00:49] <MartinGuehmann> the last one needs to be fortified
[00:49] <mrbaggins> do so, please
[00:49] <MartinGuehmann> Done, we can end the turn
[00:50] <mrbaggins> yes
[00:50] <Turambar> yep
[00:50] <MartinGuehmann> OK END TURN 83
[00:50] <Locutus> good, end turn.
[00:51] <Turambar> formed a 5 stack on mine
[00:51] <Locutus> mrb: if we continue much longer I'll send you the log. if we quit soon I'll handle it myself
[00:51] <MartinGuehmann> The Austrians attacked our archer so we can kill them now
[00:51] <Locutus> they moved away from us on mine

[00:51] <mrbaggins> ok, Locutus
[00:51] <mrbaggins> yes
[00:51] <Miggio> kill kill kill

[00:51] <mrbaggins> do the attack, and post a quick save
[00:51] <Locutus> good, martin. kill them now

[00:51] <Turambar> kill!
[00:51] <MartinGuehmann> Yup they are history
[00:52] <mrbaggins> any losses?
[00:52] <Locutus> casualties?
[00:52] <MartinGuehmann> No losses
[00:52] <Locutus> wutang!
[00:52] <Turambar> :d
[00:52] <MartinGuehmann> Just some damage
[00:53] <mrbaggins>

[00:53] <mrbaggins> post a save
[00:53] <Tamerlin>

[00:53] <mrbaggins> my and Locutus' game are completely different
[00:53] <mrbaggins> actually...
[00:53] <Turambar> finish the turn and call it a day?
[00:53] <mrbaggins> we could stop here
[00:54] <mrbaggins> the stack is finished as a threat now
[00:54] <Locutus> sounds good to me: all threats are history...
[00:54] <MartinGuehmann> So should we stop now?
[00:54] <Turambar> end tun first?
[00:54] <Locutus> I vote yes (at the end of the turn)
[00:54] <Tamerlin> Yes

[00:54] <Turambar> something new might pop up for us to discuss
[00:54] <MartinGuehmann> OK end the turn first
[00:55] <Locutus> agree with tur. stop right after the end-turn
[00:55] <mrbaggins> agreed
[00:55] <Turambar> yeah,
[00:55] <MartinGuehmann> Well I fortify all the new defenders and it should be the turn
[00:55] <Turambar> yep
[00:55] <Locutus> k
[00:55] <mrbaggins> k...
[00:55] <mrbaggins> but don't move the 9 stack
[00:56] <MartinGuehmann> OK END TURN 84
[00:56] <Turambar> already have
[00:56] <mrbaggins> ok
[00:56] <mrbaggins> any more I meant
[00:56] <mrbaggins> i want to split one off towards Graz
[00:56] <mrbaggins> a hoplite
[00:56] <Locutus> no, we should stop now. discuss what to do with the 9-stack, if we want a wonder, what to attack next, etc...
[00:56] <Turambar> anything to report martin?
[00:56] <Turambar> yep, loc
[00:57] <MartinGuehmann> We encounterd a new civ a Hebrew settler
[00:57] <mrbaggins> agreed
[00:57] <Tamerlin> I agree
[00:57] <mrbaggins> Diplomacy?
[00:57] <Locutus> bummer. we'll deal with them in the next chat
[00:57] <Turambar> yeah
[00:57] <MartinGuehmann> I aggree we should stop now we played 7 turns so far
[00:57] <mrbaggins> we haven't been thinking diplomacy at all
[00:57] * mrbaggins smiles
[00:57] <mrbaggins> we should discuss...
[00:57] <mrbaggins> take our time
[00:57] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah we forgot India
[00:57] <Locutus> well, war is a form of diplomacy too

[00:57] <mrbaggins> next Sunday... or Tuesday... maybe
[00:58] <mrbaggins> for the next chat
[00:58] <Turambar> diplomacy of the sword!
[00:58] <Tamerlin>

[00:58] <mrbaggins> a while but we have to poll properly
[00:58] <mrbaggins> and give people a chance to decide
[00:58] <Tamerlin> Yes

[00:58] <MartinGuehmann> Rather Sunday or Saturday
[00:58] <mrbaggins> fine by me
[00:58] <Locutus> india will wait. in fact, the longer we wait the better (up to an extend)...
[00:58] <mrbaggins> as long as we have poll results
[00:58] <Locutus> indeed.
[00:59] <Turambar> cm4 demo's out friday.... won't see me for a while....

[00:59] <mrbaggins> I'll do a statistical workup for the MoDA issues
[00:59] <MartinGuehmann> Oh India don't like us, because we are occopieing their territory
[00:59] <Locutus> their continent, you mean?
[00:59] <mrbaggins> yes
[00:59] <mrbaggins> they are nuts
[00:59] <mrbaggins> this is OUR continent
[00:59] <Locutus> they are. and they will pay for that

[00:59] <Tamerlin> Not yet
[01:00] <mrbaggins> we are letting them live there for now
[01:00] <MartinGuehmann> In the German version it says Territorium
[01:00] <Turambar> they owe us rent!

[01:00] <MartinGuehmann> But in Fact it is ours.
[01:00] <MartinGuehmann>

[01:00] <Locutus> anyway, Martin, end chat?
[01:00] <mrbaggins> we settled first
[01:00] <mrbaggins> ok... good game guys
[01:00] <MartinGuehmann> Yes END CHAT

Martin Gühmann · February 25, 2003, 20:19

Here is a screenshot from right before the attack on the Austrian size four stack:

So Bye Bye Austrians

(Unfortunatly only the four, but that can be still done

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