Name That Language European Minorities Special Edition

Buck Birdseed · March 1, 2003, 13:08

Okay, all you language Wizzes out there, you're great at finding obscure tongues from all ends of the earth. Here is a new batch, with only one clue to guide you to their origin: They're all the spoken and/or written languages of european minorities without nation states of their own. Think "Basque" (not included here).

1: W Europie je wiele różnëch môłëch nôrodów w różnëch krajach. Je cekawé òbserwòwac, jaczé mają warënczi dlô rozwiju swòji òsoblëwi kùlturë. Òglowò gwësno autonomijô nie mùszi tikac blós nôrodowëch miészeznów , ale téż gwësnëch historicznëch zemiów. Mómë téj kraje centralizowóné, dze pòjedinczé krézë ni mają taczi mòżlëwòtë rozsądzëwac ò swòjich sprawach. Dlô nôrodów, co nie mają swòjégò gwôsnégò samòbëtnégò kraju je wôżné bë mògłë samë rządzëc edukacëją ë kùlturą na teritoriji, dze żëją lëdze z tégò nôrodu. Je kò wiôlgô różnica, żelë sprawë zachowaniégò nôrodnégò jãzëka ë kùlturë nakôzëje jaczis ùstôw. Ale mëszlã, że nôlepszé mdze, żelë bądą gadac za mnie jaczés przemiôrë.

2: Ume Autos hiede sik Meiers Jan siläärge nit kummert. Hi kaande knapp ｴn Fuulkswaain fon ann Opelm utnunner. Un wo sukke Waaine fiert wuden, dat uurliet hi jedden do uur jungen Ljude. Man nu hi hilked wass, maakede him sein junget Maanske Sette ju Hälle heet.

3: Dër afascinant y complès é le mît de Fanes. Les raîsc de chësc mît va zeruch de plü milesc de agn. La trasformaziun de jënt te tìers é n elemënt dër vedl che an ciafa ince tles liëndes di Indians. Le totem tl mît de Fanes n'é nia n simbul de podesté, dla ciacia (variöl o ater), mo de modesté liada ala tera, n tìer spau: la muntagnola.
Le mal n'é nia metafisich, mo fej pert dla tera desche le bëgn: Spina de mul, le striun che se trasformëia te nöts de temporal te n schelet de n müsc, n'à nia de diabolich, al n'adora degun pat cun l'infern, mo al à süa forza dla natöra. La vijiun cristiana dl monn cun süa conzeziun dl mal à lascè dër püc fostüs tl mît de Fanes.

4: Herbir insanda lääzım olsun hepsi bu Deklaraţiyada bildirilän haklar hem serbestliklär, hiçbir ayırıntısız soy, deri rengi, adam hem karı, dil, din, politika yada başka inandıkları, mülk, insan boyu eki başka durum bakımından. Bundan başka diil lääzım yapılsın hiçbir ayırıntı devletin ya insanın yaşadıı topraan politika statusuna görä, bakmayarak o toprak serbest mi, bakımnı mı, kendibaşına kullanmayan mı osa suverenıtetindä başka türlü sınırlamalı mı.

5: Il pressident de “Accademia della Crusca”, Francesco Sabatini, al è intarvignût su la propueste di meti sù un “Consei nazionâl de lenghe taliane” che, stant a un dissen di leç presentât in Parlament, al varès di deventâ l’orghin instituzionâl che si ocupe di lenghistiche. E je un’instituzion necessarie, ma nol è acetabil ch’e prescrivi ûs lenghistics, al à declarât Sabatini.

6: Ãnchisi primuveara shi ãnchisim sh-noi priimnari tu un loc isih di iu pots s-ducheshtsã tutã mushuteatsa aiushtui chiro. Nã dãnãsim la Mãnãstirlu "Stãmãria" di cãsãbãlu Techirghiol, nu largu di cãsãbãlu Constantsa. Nã dãnãsim aoa di dauã furnjii: prota cã him tu Mãrlji Preasinj shi avem ananghi ti un zbor tsi s-nã lunjineadzã suflitlu sh-deapoia cã tu meslu Martsu totna yiurtisim dzua a muljariljei, a scumpãljei Dadã tsi amintã bana pisti loc.

alva · March 1, 2003, 13:23

2. friesch

alva · March 1, 2003, 13:26

5. some Swiss variant?

St Leo · March 1, 2003, 13:35

1. Czech?

Gangerolf · March 1, 2003, 13:35

hard one

1. sorbian??
2. east friesian
3. ladin??
4. some kind of turkish
5. sardinian??
6. dunno.

Buck Birdseed · March 1, 2003, 13:43

I've forgotten myself what some of these were now.

*fires up google*

Point for Ladin, I'm also willing to give one for East Frisian (it's actually Saterland Frisian, but they're basically just dialectal variants of a badly-standardised language).

Buck Birdseed · March 1, 2003, 13:44

Oh, and I did Sorbian in the last "name that language" thread, so unfortunately I couldn't include it here.

Az · March 1, 2003, 16:00

hey, why just european?

6. ( On a limb here) Basque?

Buck Birdseed · March 1, 2003, 16:09

Quote:

Originally posted by Azazel
hey, why just european?

I was going to do one entirely on Papuan languages, but then I thought that would be too easy.

Nah, to be honest, I was cleaning my room today and I found a book about European minorities that I was trying to find last time we had a thread like this. Great source for obscure languages that at least someone might know.

Az · March 1, 2003, 16:14

This is pro stuff, though. mostly.

Buck Birdseed · March 1, 2003, 16:23

Last time I put up everything from Somalian to Cape Verde Creole, and they got them all. I want to keep the level of challenge up.

Az · March 1, 2003, 16:37

Amazing, really.

Gangerolf · March 1, 2003, 17:46

what book is that, buck?

I think #6 is from Romania. It says "Constantsa".

It doesn't look very Romanian though.

Ecthy · March 1, 2003, 17:55

Gangerolf, are you Saddam Hussein?

Datajack Franit · March 1, 2003, 18:08

5- is some kind of italian slang! a friend of mine speaks like that

Datajack Franit · March 1, 2003, 18:10

6- the phrase really seems to be romanian, Constanta is a romanian port

Gangerolf · March 1, 2003, 21:00

no commetn

are youa jester's hat?

Buck Birdseed · March 1, 2003, 21:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Gangerolf
what book is that, buck?

"Det Lilla Europa - Guide till Europas Små Folk" by Ingmar Karlsson

ranskaldan · March 1, 2003, 22:52

4 - uh.... Bulgarian Turkish?

6 - Aromanian

Ramo · March 1, 2003, 23:23

1. Definitely Eastern European. I don't know much about Eastern European minorities, so I have no clue.

2. Reminds me a little of Scandinavian languages. Lapp?

3. Mix of Latin and Germanic. Probably from the Low Countries. Frisian?

4. Have no clue.

5. A Latin Language. Looks a lot like French. Langue d'Oc (is it still around)?

6. Have no clue.

Edan · March 1, 2003, 23:26

Quote:

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
Okay, all you language Wizzes out there, you're great at finding obscure tongues from all ends of the earth. Here is a new batch, with only one clue to guide you to their origin: They're all the spoken and/or written languages of european minorities without nation states of their own. Think "Basque" (not included here).

English!

Hey, that was easy.

Buck Birdseed · March 2, 2003, 08:33

Quote:

Originally posted by ranskaldan
6 - Aromanian

Ecthy · March 2, 2003, 09:16

1 - kaszubski?

Gangerolf · March 2, 2003, 10:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed

"Det Lilla Europa - Guide till Europas Små Folk" by Ingmar Karlsson

thanks, sounds really interesting.

Buck Birdseed · March 2, 2003, 12:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Ecthelion
1 - kaszubski?

Buck Birdseed · March 2, 2003, 12:36

You live smack in the middle of Sorbia, don't you Andy?

Ecthy · March 2, 2003, 12:47

Yes I do. Kaszubski was a wild guess, it was the only Polish minority I could think of AND it certainly did look like Polish once it wasn't Sorbian. As for middle Sorbia, there even is a Sorbian-based (culturally and linguistically) grammar school in this town, however it is only attended by punks really.

I still can't believe that kaszubski actually hit the 100 zone

Buck Birdseed · March 2, 2003, 20:02

This leaves #4 and #5.

#4 is, as correctly pointed out, a Turkic language, and the associated ethnic group is one of the most volatile political issues in one of Europe's least-well-known countries.

#5 is a border language between three European countries of which Italy indeed is one.

The rallying cry of the region is "[name of region]'o sejs o Popul, Clamajt la vesta Libertát!"

ranskaldan · March 3, 2003, 00:31

4.
... Macedonian Turkish?

5.
Friulian?

Buck Birdseed · March 3, 2003, 08:31

#5 is indeed Furlan.

Keep guessing on #4! That extract is from one of many translations of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that appear on the UNHCR web site...