March 8, 2003, 08:08
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Originally posted by curtsibling
I am a citizen not a subject.
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Gentlemen, I think we've found our rallying cry.
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March 8, 2003, 08:22
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Then it's decided. Down with the monarchy!
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March 8, 2003, 08:25
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Huzzah!
Gentlemen, It's time for 'A very British coup!'
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March 8, 2003, 09:27
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Bin them. They serve no purpose, and lie at the heart of our fossilised institutions.
You do have the problem of what to call the United Kingdom when they're gone, however.
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March 8, 2003, 10:00
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The British Empire II!
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March 8, 2003, 13:53
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Albion? Emerald Isles?
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March 8, 2003, 13:58
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Yes, but not very much more than your averge Brit makes Britain look silly.
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March 8, 2003, 15:11
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Originally posted by curtsibling
I am a proud Brit.
I don't think the Monarchy really serves a purpose in the UK anymore, depsite their attempts to move with the times.
I am a citizen not a subject.
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Whose going to keep up yer Scottish Castles?
Were are you going to get your taboids stories without
the daft loonies antics.
They're part of your economy and ours. They're a political embarassment but a newspaper and tourist bonanza.
Who else will buy our big bearskin hats that the
guards wear?
Question is, would removing them improve the representation of the citizen in goverment or improve
the effect use of tax dollars?
If No, yer just switching idiots
Keep yer tailfeathers clean
edit: spelling
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March 8, 2003, 18:29
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I think that it's important that Britain has a monarchy to make it look silly. I mean, thanks to Germany losing World War I, Finland's monarchy attempt went all haywire, and we have to compensate it other ways. Take the Ahde family, for example. Father is a go-getting politician who has to resign from running the state lottery for sexually harassing employees. He's trying to make a comeback to the Parliament. Mother loyally supports her husband the lady-fondler, and also tries to get elected to the Parliament. The son videotapes himself sniffing coke, making famous the line "Hi, I'm Jussi Ahde, and I'm about to sniff some cocaine up my nose. And if anyone wants to make profit from this, half goes to me." At least he's not running for the parliament.
Makes you appreciate that absolute monarchy thingy, it does. Of course, we'd probably just get the Ahdes as the royals.
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March 8, 2003, 18:32
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I love you Brits but yes the monarchy is old, outdated, and rathar silly.
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March 8, 2003, 18:41
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Originally posted by Sandman
You do have the problem of what to call the United Kingdom when they're gone, however.
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The United REPUBLIC of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
DOWN WITH THE NOBILLITY!!!
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March 8, 2003, 19:32
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Hey you can´t just say "Hey, let´s depose Elizabeth, she´s from a german family"! She is the leader chosen by God to rule the British Empire and you own her obedience! It´s not a monarch if you just depose the queen and put Britney Spears in her place just because you think she´s prettier!
Uh, I think no one believes at that crap anymore...
I think it´s just like Rio´s carnaval... A party made for tourists to look idiot and spend their money. Brazilians occasionally go there to watch though.
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March 8, 2003, 19:35
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Originally posted by Ozz
Whose going to keep up yer Scottish Castles?
Were are you going to get your taboids stories without
the daft loonies antics.
They're part of your economy and ours. They're a political embarassment but a newspaper and tourist bonanza.
Who else will buy our big bearskin hats that the
guards wear?
Question is, would removing them improve the representation of the citizen in goverment or improve
the effect use of tax dollars?
If No, yer just switching idiots
Keep yer tailfeathers clean
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Ozz,
can it really be you? It has been a while!
I am afraid you will join the royal family in house arrest, old chap!
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March 8, 2003, 19:37
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yes, but not very much more than your averge Brit makes Britain look silly.
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March 8, 2003, 20:00
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I wouldn't mind if Elly was kept a queen but removed as the head of the Anglican church. We know that sooner or later England will get an atheist monarch and having them be the leader of the Anglicans is beyond silly.
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March 8, 2003, 21:02
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Originally posted by St Leo
I wouldn't mind if Elly was kept a queen but removed as the head of the Anglican church. We know that sooner or later England will get an atheist monarch and having them be the leader of the Anglicans is beyond silly.
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They have to take the Anglican Church out of the government entirely. I would be insulted if I was there since I am an athiest.
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March 8, 2003, 21:36
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Odin,
Well said!
Nothing against religions or anything, but they have no place in government.
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March 9, 2003, 05:18
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It's funny to see how different nations have varying levels of respect for their monarchies. On another forum I've just upset loads of Dutch posters by suggesting that their Royal family keeps marrying fascists (well, ex-members of the Hitler Youth, and Spanish Carlists). Even the Dutch republicans got cross and shouty.
Had I made the same sort of muck-raking comments about the House of Windsor (nee Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) I doubt any British posters would have batted an eyelid.
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March 9, 2003, 06:06
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you forum slut you
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March 9, 2003, 10:33
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Originally posted by Odin
The United REPUBLIC of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
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NOOOO!!!! Britain as a Republic
If we elect a head of state, we have to give them some power. I'd rather have (effectively) no head of state than giving one person that much power. Blair has too much power as it is IMHO. If only the Queen revoked the royal privilage (I think she can still do that)
Surely getting rid of hereditary peers in the House of Lords is far more important. They have power by birthright.
Why does having a head of state that does virtually nothing make us look silly? Yes they do stupid things, but it's all just a PR exercise. At least we don't have to live with the rulings of silly heads of state.
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March 9, 2003, 14:06
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From a brief survey of this thread, the Brits want to get rid of the monarchy and the Yanks want us to keep them. Solution - send them all to America!
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And the idea for a new reality show presents itself  .
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March 9, 2003, 16:24
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Can we send our Prime Minister instead?
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March 9, 2003, 16:41
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Originally posted by curtsibling Nothing against religions or anything, but they have no place in government.
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Ah , how can have you have a jihad, crusade or even a half-decent massacre without a theocratic government?
You'll be the laughing stock of the middle east.
Edit: Good to see one of yer posts again Ace
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March 9, 2003, 16:58
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Likewise, old man!
Thought you had given up posting, you just vanished!
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March 9, 2003, 17:09
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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
It's funny to see how different nations have varying levels of respect for their monarchies. On another forum I've just upset loads of Dutch posters by suggesting that their Royal family keeps marrying fascists (well, ex-members of the Hitler Youth, and Spanish Carlists). Even the Dutch republicans got cross and shouty.
Had I made the same sort of muck-raking comments about the House of Windsor (nee Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) I doubt any British posters would have batted an eyelid.
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March 9, 2003, 17:11
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Unfashionable though it is,I am proud to be a Brit.
I love my country, but have no love for the royals.
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March 10, 2003, 05:13
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Originally posted by Drogue
NOOOO!!!! Britain as a Republic 
If we elect a head of state, we have to give them some power. I'd rather have (effectively) no head of state than giving one person that much power. Blair has too much power as it is IMHO. If only the Queen revoked the royal privilage (I think she can still do that)
Surely getting rid of hereditary peers in the House of Lords is far more important. They have power by birthright.
Why does having a head of state that does virtually nothing make us look silly? Yes they do stupid things, but it's all just a PR exercise. At least we don't have to live with the rulings of silly heads of state.
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There are only 98 heriditaries left and they are going within the next few years. We will be having a mixed elected/appointed lords soon
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March 10, 2003, 07:02
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The reason the monarchy has survived so long in Britain is because of 2 great monarchs by any standard - Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II.
Put Charles and Camilla on the throne and all bets are off.
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March 10, 2003, 07:07
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Vicky was very umpopular for large periods of her reign, and she also thought she was in charge, which Gladstone IIRC although it could have been Disraeli loved to point out was bollocks
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March 10, 2003, 07:10
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That's the point - Queen Victoria was very unpopular to start with, there was a strong republican movement in Britian the first half of 19th century, but she outlasted all her critics.
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