14th Turn Chat (From Turn 99 in the year 2020BC)

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:16

Welcome to the 14th turn chat of our Great Nation Lemuria:

Day: 13/03/2003 (Thursday)
Hour: 18:00 GMT

Place:
Lemuria Channel in the Apolyton Chat-Room.

Old Turn Chats:

First Lemuria Chat Now!!!
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Looks like I have to recount the turn chats, well better we start counting at zero.

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Questions to the member of government in order to collect the necessary orders:

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Questions to the President (Martin Gühmann):

Q1: How will you name our cities?
A1: Same answer as last turn chat:

The next new city we found or get by a ruin will be named Wombatoon.
The following city we found or get by a ruin will be named Maquidad.

Q2: Will we change the PW rate?
A2: No, as we have nothing else to build except farms and we need all the production for new units and the Ramajana.

Q3: Will we change the slider settings?
A3: Just in case of riots in one of our cities which would probably continue in the next turn. In that case more food is given to the people to stop the riots.

Q4 Will we spend any gold?
A4 No, we need every gold piece, to buy the Ramajana in the cases of the cases.

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Questions to the Minister of Domestic Affairs (Tamerlin):

Q5: What will the next three items for the build queues of all of our cities?

a) Pedrunnia
b) Colonia Locuta
c) H Town
d) mapfipolis
e) Pressburg
f) Graz
g) Wels

I think we should use the build queue feature in order to reduce the workload. We can modify the build queues later if necessary, anyway.

A5: ???

Q6: Will we change the specialist distribution in any city? If yes in which city and how?
A6: ???

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Questions to the Minister of Infrastruture (ískallin):

Well we have neither the technology of Trade nor any PW to spend, but that shouldn't us prevent from planing our first tile improvements:

Q7: What are the best places for farms?
A7: ???

Q8: What are the best routes for roads?
A8: ???

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Questions to the Minister of Diplomacy, Trade and Science (Locutus):

Q9: What will be our attitude towards these civilisations, if we send them a proposal?

a) Austria
b) Scottland
c) Germany
d) Thailand
e) India
f) Israel

A9: ???

Q10: To which of these civilisations mentioned above we should send a proposal, if any?
A10: ???

Q11: What is our research goal after Trade?
A11: ???

Q12: In case of a cease fire offer by the Austrians, should we accept or reject?
A12: According to the current poll standing we can roll dices or whatever, of course we should wait until the according poll is closed.

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Questions to the Minister of Defense (Pedrunn):

Q13: Will we disband any units to rush the Ramajana and if yes then how?
A13: ???

Q14: Will we send more far away units to Pedrunnia to help to rush buy the Ramajana?
A14: ???

Q15: What are Bait's next moves?
A15: ???

Q16: What are Goodsight's next moves?
A16: ???

Q17: Will you name our armies? If yes how, and which army?
A17: ???

Q18: Which Austrian city should we attack?
A18: ???

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Questions to All Citizens:

Q19: Who wants to help me with the screenshots and game info? (Needs to be someone with CTP2 and some basic knowlegde and resources to graphic editing.)
A19: ???

Q20: Is there anything I forgot to ask for there?
A20: ???

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Please, if you are a minister confirm your presence or your absence!

Confirmed ministers (or delegates)
Martin Gühmann - President
??? - Minister of Domestic Affairs
??? - Minister of Infrastruture
??? - Minister of Diplomacy, Trade and Science
??? - Minister of Defense
??? - Graphic Manager (screenshot helper)

-Martin

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:20

On the way to Linz:

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:22

Goodsight is exploring the South:

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:24

Bait is exploring the North:

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:26

The minimap:

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:28

The overall rankings:

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:32

The military rankings, we have now a stronger military than the Portugal:

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:34

The economic rankings:

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:37

The science rankings:

Martin Gühmann · March 11, 2003, 18:40

And finally our cities:

Zaphod Beeblebrox · March 11, 2003, 20:47

i think you mean thursday? was a bit confused by the date, currently I'm alone in the lemuria channel.
shouldn't the chat be announced in the government thread?

Tamerlin · March 11, 2003, 22:07

I will be there.

I will also post wednesday a "state of Lemuria" in which the citizen and ministers will find all the informations they need about our cities along with my suggestions.

Zaphod Beeblebrox · March 12, 2003, 04:40

i won't be there, will be at work

Frozzy · March 12, 2003, 04:44

Not there, as always (sch00l)

Gilgamensch · March 12, 2003, 04:48

I should be able to be there again.

miggio · March 12, 2003, 10:51

I will be there on thursday at 18:00 GMT, thats 1 pm my time

Gilgamensch · March 12, 2003, 11:26

Just recognised, it would be tomorrow, sorry already other plans (meeting in RL with some friends

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Tamerlin · March 12, 2003, 12:23

Dear President, Ministers and Citizens,

You will find all the answers of the MoDA to the questions of our president here.

Your comments are welcomed.

Martin Gühmann · March 12, 2003, 12:26

Quote:

Originally posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
i think you mean thursday? was a bit confused by the date, currently I'm alone in the lemuria channel.
shouldn't the chat be announced in the government thread?

Of course it is Thursday.

-Martin

J Bytheway · March 12, 2003, 12:53

Martin: Another small error I feel I should point out: You say Bait is exploring both the south and the north, when in fact one of these regions is being explored by GoodSight.

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 16:49

Let's go to Linz:

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 16:58

A savegame for Tamerlin and Locutus...

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 17:03

Some Germans near MP:

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 17:27

Linz is empty:

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 17:55

The Battle of Linz, well Lemuforce was already killed but SmallOne did it.

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 18:19

And I thought we canceled this suicide mission:

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 19:44

[20:16] <MartinGuehmann> START OF 14TH Turn CHAT
[20:17] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's do the necessary reinforcments.
[20:17] <Tamerlin> OK, checking the game...
[20:17] <MartinGuehmann> We have a seperated stack of two units I think they should go to Graz.
[20:18] <Tamerlin> ORDER: move two Hoplites from Graz into the 8 units stack and move the two wounded Hoplites to Graz... is it OK?
[20:19] <MartinGuehmann> Order executed
[20:20] <Tamerlin> Done, I think we should now expell the green settler
[20:20] <Tamerlin> Forget it, beyond our reach...
[20:20] <MartinGuehmann> OK Goodsight and Bait are already moved in the last chat.
[20:21] <MartinGuehmann> So I want to know what we should do with the stack between CL and MP I would move some units to Pedrunnia
[20:22] <Tamerlin> The idea was to have some reinforcements that could go to CL or Pedrunnia, why not let them where they are?
[20:22] * Pedrunn has joined #Lemuria
[20:22] <MartinGuehmann> Hi Pedrunn
[20:23] <Pedrunn> I should look the hour oof the chats some more
[20:23] <Pedrunn> :D
[20:23] <MartinGuehmann> So you got. :D
[20:23] <MartinGuehmann> We just reenforced SmallOne.
[20:24] <Tamerlin> Hi Pedrunn, sorry I considered the CL/MP army at the wrong place...
[20:24] <MartinGuehmann> So what should we do with the army between CL and MP?
[20:25] <Tamerlin> Pedrunn what do you think we should do with the 2 units stack between CL and MapfiPolis... send them to Pedrunnia?*
[20:26] <MartinGuehmann> Pedrunn?
[20:26] <Pedrunn> Sorrry i was loading the saved game
[20:27] <MartinGuehmann> No problem. :)
[20:27] <Pedrunn> How you reinforced SmallOne?
[20:27] <MartinGuehmann> Moved the two wonded ones to Graz
[20:27] <MartinGuehmann> and replaced them with two healthy Hoplites from Graz
[20:28] <MartinGuehmann> And we extended the build queues according Tamerlins orders, one farmer was added to Wels.
[20:28] <Tamerlin> Let me sum up the additions...
[20:29] <Tamerlin> Colonia Locuta : add 1 A then 1 H
[20:29] <Tamerlin> H Town: add 1 A then 1 H
[20:29] <Tamerlin> Mapfipolis: add 1 A
[20:30] <Tamerlin> Graz: add 1 H then 1 A
[20:30] <Tamerlin> Wels: add 1 farmer and add an H to the Build Queue
[20:30] <Tamerlin> :)
[20:30] <Pedrunn> Tamerlin, dont you think we should add more settlers?
[20:30] <MartinGuehmann> Just PMed John
[20:31] <Pedrunn> k
[20:32] <MartinGuehmann> Currently we have a size two stack between MP and CL I think in the case of the cases for the wonder we should have it in Pedrunnia.
[20:32] <Tamerlin> One is produced in Pressburg and we don't have many places xhere to send them... we will be able to add some as soon as our scouts will spot some valuable places, what do you think about it Martin?
[20:32] <MartinGuehmann> You mean the settler?
[20:33] <Tamerlin> yes
[20:33] <Pedrunn> Still i think we should build one somewhere
[20:33] <MartinGuehmann> And I thought it takes a little bit until it is finished.
[20:34] <Tamerlin> 12 turns in Pressburg...
[20:34] <MartinGuehmann> You mean somewhere else, Pedrunn?
[20:34] <Pedrunn> yes other than Pressburg
[20:35] <MartinGuehmann> Graz and CL are nice places for a settler at least we have in the surroundings some space.
[20:35] <Tamerlin> The best place would be H Town though we need our cities to produce the troops that will support our losses and defend our towns.
[20:36] <Tamerlin> I think Graz should produce Military units as it is the closest city from Linz and Wien.
[20:36] <MartinGuehmann> Well after a look on the map again CL is the best place for it.
[20:37] <Pedrunn> Not Graz
[20:37] <Tamerlin> Adding a settler would take the place of 2 Archers and a Hoplite... :(
[20:37] <Pedrunn> The west should be in the war enviroment
[20:37] <MartinGuehmann> So a settler for CL?
[20:37] <Tamerlin> Pedrunn?
[20:37] <Pedrunn> I cncur
[20:38] <Tamerlin> ORDER: place a settler at the beginning of CL build queue.
[20:38] * Locutus has joined #lemuria
[20:38] <Pedrunn> 13 turns right
[20:38] <Locutus> hey all...
[20:38] <MartinGuehmann> Done and 13 turns.
[20:38] <Tamerlin> Hi Locutus...
[20:38] <MartinGuehmann> Hi Locutus.
[20:38] <Pedrunn> hi loc
[20:38] <Locutus> haven't followed the DG for weeks, did we loose yet? ;)
[20:39] <Tamerlin> Not yet... :lol:
[20:39] <MartinGuehmann> Not yet.
[20:39] <Pedrunn> :)
[20:39] <Locutus> or at least it feels like weeks, probably was only a few days or so...
[20:39] <Locutus> was I at least impeached for my absence? :)
[20:39] <Pedrunn> yes
[20:39] <MartinGuehmann> :lol:
[20:40] <Tamerlin> Things are evolving quickly... especially when you are no more receiving e-mail notifications... :angry: :lol:
[20:40] <Locutus> good, nice to see something interesting happening for once :) now don't disappoint me by telling me that was a joke ;)
[20:40] <Pedrunn> :cute:
[20:41] <Tamerlin> :)
[20:41] <Pedrunn> Lets move on...
[20:41] <Pedrunn> So shall we take another look in the German stack?
[20:41] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah and BTW just PMed Ben
[20:41] <Tamerlin> Locutus are you playing with the saved game?
[20:41] <Tamerlin> Sorry, I must answer the phone...
[20:41] <MartinGuehmann> German stack were?
[20:42] <Locutus> I'm not doing anything at the moment. Like I said, I have no clue where the game stands right now. might be best if I sit this one out as a citizen...
[20:42] <Pedrunn> The one next to mapfi in which we cant see unless if moving a archer
[20:42] <Pedrunn> Just need to know that no diploevent happened these days
[20:43] <Pedrunn> And we are hading a attack to Austria
[20:43] <Tamerlin> We expelled a few settlers though... :cute:
[20:43] * ImmortalWombat has joined #lemuria
[20:43] <Tamerlin> Hi IW...
[20:43] <ImmortalWombat> I'm back. I have ADSL. Its all good
[20:43] <Tamerlin> :Party:
[20:43] <Pedrunn> Hello
[20:44] <MartinGuehmann> Of course we could move there an Archer, but I still have a question about the our stack between MP and CL I want have some more units in Pedrunnia.
[20:44] <MartinGuehmann> Hi Ben
[20:44] <ImmortalWombat> hi
[20:44] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move archer from mapfipolis NE
[20:44] <Pedrunn> let me check the stack first
[20:44] <Locutus> what? no turn thread?
[20:44] <Locutus> or did you guys just start or soemthing?
[20:45] <MartinGuehmann> Done, no Germans there.
[20:45] <Tamerlin> 2 since you left as far as I can remember...
[20:45] <MartinGuehmann> We just started actual
[20:45] <Tamerlin> Done, no Germans...
[20:45] <Locutus> ah okay. so do you have a link to the thread then?
[20:45] <Pedrunn> Good, so they did were heading south
[20:45] <MartinGuehmann> Here the thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=80248
[20:45] <Tamerlin> Yes, 14th Turn chat...
[20:45] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move Archer back to mapfipolis
[20:46] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[20:46] <Tamerlin> Done
[20:46] <MartinGuehmann> Now I have the Lemuforce
[20:46] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move 2 units between CL and Mapfipolis to Pedrunnia
[20:46] <Locutus> thanks martin
[20:47] <Locutus> 20 units to linz? is that gonna be enough? did we do a suicide attack on it yet?
[20:47] <MartinGuehmann> Done, pathed move order given to Pedrunnia.
[20:47] <Pedrunn> no suicide
[20:47] * Tuome has joined #Lemuria
[20:47] * Tuome has left #Lemuria
[20:47] <Locutus> and the units are damaged too... :scared:
[20:47] <Pedrunn> we changed the units
[20:47] <Tamerlin> No suicide attacks plan... Hi Tuome...
[20:47] <Pedrunn> with 2 from Graz
[20:47] <Locutus> he's gone already pedrunn
[20:48] <MartinGuehmann> So what should I do with Lemuforce?
[20:48] <Locutus> so basically you're using the 12 stack as a suicide stack, hoping it'll be enough? :scared:
[20:48] <Pedrunn> The poll said to attack Wiens
[20:48] <MartinGuehmann> Well for Graz it was enough. :D
[20:48] <Pedrunn> but only 6 people voted it
[20:49] <Locutus> yeah, but the Austrians had some time to upgrade to Samurai by now...
[20:49] <Tamerlin> Just advance one tile along the river... IMO it would be a mistake to attack Wien letting Linz behind our lines...
[20:49] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah but they have to kill them in battles.
[20:49] <Tamerlin> They have Samurai...
[20:49] <MartinGuehmann> So Ben and Locutus what are your opinions about it?
[20:50] <Locutus> suicide the city first, at the very least. and take at least 2 12-stacks if possible. but I wasn't here in a while, so I may not be the best person to listen to...
[20:50] <MartinGuehmann> Wien?
[20:50] <Tamerlin> Linz
[20:51] <Locutus> either. but Linz will be much easier to take, I'd reckon
[20:51] <Locutus> well, maybe not much, but easier nonetheless
[20:51] <MartinGuehmann> So Ben whats your opinion about it?
[20:52] <Pedrunn> It was a 4 x 1in the poll to attack Wien in the poll
[20:52] <MartinGuehmann> OK, to make a point now, let's respect the result of the poll and go to Wien.
[20:52] <Tamerlin> One of our town should produce some warriors to lead suicide attacks...
[20:52] <Locutus> as far as a linz vs wien choice goes, I'd prefer Linz: less defenses (presumably), doesn't make the frontline longer than it has to be
[20:53] <Pedrunn> I think Lis is a better target despite the Scot staCK NEXT TO U
[20:53] <Tamerlin> I agree with Locutus.
[20:53] <Pedrunn> damn I pressed caps Lock
[20:53] <Tamerlin> :lol:
[20:53] <Pedrunn> I like Lins
[20:53] <Tamerlin> So... :cute:
[20:53] <Pedrunn> And will be aout for 15 mins
[20:53] <Pedrunn> sorry
[20:53] <Pedrunn> you guys will have to decide for me :(
[20:53] <Tamerlin> Give us an order...
[20:53] <Locutus> was it an official poll or a resolution?
[20:54] <Tamerlin> Official poll
[20:54] <MartinGuehmann> and you can still vote.
[20:54] <Locutus> well, pedrunn doesn't *have to* obey it. but without announcing it in advance...
[20:54] <Locutus> oh wait, 4 vs 1 is not enough to meet the quorum, is it?
[20:54] <Pedrunn> I htink we should stick to Lins
[20:54] <MartinGuehmann> Unfortunatly I voted for Wien.
[20:54] <Tamerlin> I am ready to take the responsability if it can help...
[20:55] <Pedrunn> Lets hope the people dont beat me
[20:55] <Pedrunn> :cute:
[20:55] <Pedrunn> :actually worried:
[20:55] <MartinGuehmann> And I thought the quorum is only needed for Resolutions and Amendments
[20:55] <Tamerlin> Do you want a written order from me... :lol:
[20:55] <Locutus> well, your term is almost over anyway, you can't be impeached anymore :)
[20:55] <Locutus> hmm, good point martin...
[20:55] <Tamerlin> I will let you all the glory if it works...
[20:55] <Pedrunn> :expect: good ide
[20:56] <MartinGuehmann> But anyway with good reasons...
[20:56] <Pedrunn> So lets stick to Lins but should we wit the Scot stack go away or lets try to move around it
[20:56] <MartinGuehmann> Of course wait until the Scotts are gone
[20:56] <Tamerlin> We should just advance one tile along the river
[20:56] <Pedrunn> we cant
[20:56] <Tamerlin> True...
[20:56] <Pedrunn> I really have to go
[20:56] <MartinGuehmann> SO good reasons would be the ones Locutus presented here
[20:56] <Tamerlin> Stand still?
[20:56] <Pedrunn> Be back in 15 mins
[20:57] <MartinGuehmann> Yes.
[20:57] <Pedrunn> You guys plan the attack :b:
[20:57] <MartinGuehmann> Of course to take Lins
[20:57] <Tamerlin> Yes
[20:57] <MartinGuehmann> so as a result of the discussion here I changed my mind
[20:58] <MartinGuehmann> OK, let's go to Linz
[20:58] <MartinGuehmann> That means that the Lemuforce has to stand still.
[20:58] <Tamerlin> If we build a warrior in Graz, it would be ready in 3 turns and could be used as a kamikaze...
[20:58] <Locutus> ah, good. if martin voted Wien but changed his mind that makes it 2-3 rather than 1-4. I vote Linze too, making it 3-3. Should be okay to go for Linz :)
[20:59] <MartinGuehmann> So Tamerlin what are your orders?
[20:59] <Tamerlin> We are right gentlemen and acting for the good of our nation... build a warrior in Graz, first in the build queue.
[20:59] <Tamerlin> Stand still... watch at the scotts.
[20:59] <MartinGuehmann> Actual I thought about the stack
[21:00] <Tamerlin> Stand still, fortify.
[21:00] <Locutus> tamerlin, you sound scaringly much like Bush :D
[21:00] <Tamerlin> :(
[21:00] <Tamerlin> You are harsh today...
[21:00] <Locutus> maybe it's not such a good decision after all :)
[21:00] <MartinGuehmann> Fortified Lemuforce
[21:00] <Locutus> j/k of course...
[21:00] <MartinGuehmann> :D
[21:01] <Locutus> 'acting for the good of the nation' - where did I hear that before? :)
[21:01] <Tamerlin> :relief: :lol:
[21:01] <Tamerlin> All the dictators in the world must have said it at least once... but they didnt' meant it...
[21:02] <MartinGuehmann> Better acting for the good of the Iraqy people. Oh and of course freeing the Iraqy people.
[21:02] <MartinGuehmann> Well you mean Bush has to go? :D;)
[21:02] <MartinGuehmann> Maybe we should continue...
[21:02] <Tamerlin> I am supporting the Franco/German position... let's go on... ;)
[21:03] <MartinGuehmann> Every unit is moved this turn we can end turn.
[21:03] <Locutus> doesn't all of Europe.. except for some politicians, that is? :shame:
[21:03] <Locutus> but let's continue, indeed
[21:03] <Tamerlin> Have modified Graz build Queue?
[21:03] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, one warrior added at the start.
[21:04] <Tamerlin> Done
[21:04] <MartinGuehmann> OK, any objections to end the turn?
[21:04] <Tamerlin> No
[21:04] <MartinGuehmann> Locutus?
[21:04] <Locutus> no
[21:05] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 99
[21:05] <Tamerlin> Indian and Thais at war...
[21:05] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, in my game, too.
[21:06] <Locutus> how historical...
[21:06] <MartinGuehmann> Barbarians appeared near MP, should I take a decent stack to kill the Samurai?
[21:06] <Locutus> only a few centuries too early :)
[21:06] <Tamerlin> :)
[21:07] <MartinGuehmann> If India takes some cities of the Thais :D unfortunatly Ghandi is a little bit too peacefull
[21:07] <Locutus> do we have slavery yet? I guess not. either way, by all means, kill any barbs you can kill...
[21:07] <MartinGuehmann> No, we continued the way to Monarchy
[21:08] <Tamerlin> 2 H and 2 A should attack the Barbarians... no slavery... no TI to defend though we should perhaps let the barb roams our opponents land...
[21:08] <MartinGuehmann> So I take 2 archers and two Hopelites to finish them.
[21:08] <Tamerlin> Locutus?
[21:08] <Locutus> fine with me
[21:08] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah maybe a German settler is coming right the way. :D
[21:08] <MartinGuehmann> Well, kill them anyway?
[21:09] <Tamerlin> Order: 2H and 2A from MP attack the Barbarian unit
[21:09] <Tamerlin> No loss...
[21:10] <MartinGuehmann> Barbs executed, no losses
[21:10] <MartinGuehmann> So move Bait North?
[21:10] <Locutus> BTW, Tamerlin, you weren't getting any email notifications from PMs either?
[21:10] <Locutus> or just from forum posts?
[21:10] <Locutus> just not, that is
[21:10] <Tamerlin> As planned MP happiness is 73... no e-mail notifications from PMs... :(
[21:11] <MartinGuehmann> OK, we have now the North explore Bait should he continue his way North?
[21:11] <Locutus> odd, I do get them, it would seem
[21:12] <Tamerlin> I have just checked... I have just received an e-mail notification... :Party:
[21:12] <MartinGuehmann> Good, to hear Tamerlin, but let's continue.
[21:12] <MartinGuehmann> So what about Bait?
[21:13] <Locutus> good, it was probably just high server load or something then
[21:13] <Locutus> where is bait?
[21:13] <Tamerlin> IMO, Bait should now go West, it seems there are some fertile tiles this way...
[21:13] <Locutus> is he anywhere near Linz or Wien? :cute:
[21:13] <Tamerlin> Bait in North of Wels.
[21:13] <MartinGuehmann> Well, West of Bait is a desert
[21:13] <Locutus> hmm, never mind then...
[21:13] <Tamerlin> No it won't suicide... :lol:
[21:14] <MartinGuehmann> I am rather curious about the North of the world
[21:15] <Tamerlin> Yes but to the west we can spot green tile borders.
[21:15] <MartinGuehmann> And actual I can see in the North the border tiles of some green land
[21:15] <Tamerlin> True, let's go North...
[21:15] <MartinGuehmann> I guess your order is Bait one North?
[21:15] <Tamerlin> Order: Bait one tile North
[21:16] <MartinGuehmann> Done we discovered one jungle tile and some grassland
[21:16] <Tamerlin> Order: GoodSight SW along the Indian border
[21:16] <Tamerlin> Good
[21:17] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:17] <Tamerlin> Done
[21:17] <MartinGuehmann> Now to the Lemuforce
[21:17] <MartinGuehmann> Go to Linz noe?
[21:17] <Tamerlin> South?
[21:18] <Tamerlin> Linz should be our target.
[21:18] <Locutus> yeah
[21:18] <MartinGuehmann> OK, one South that is your order?
[21:18] <Tamerlin> Order: Lemuforce South, SmallForce: South, then SE
[21:19] <MartinGuehmann> Only executed the orders for Lemuforce
[21:19] <MartinGuehmann> that revealed the Scottish stack again
[21:19] <Tamerlin> Yep
[21:19] <MartinGuehmann> It seems they also want to attck Linz
[21:20] <Tamerlin> :(
[21:20] <MartinGuehmann> SO it looks Linz is getting cheaper. :D
[21:20] <MartinGuehmann> So should I move SmallOne now as orderd?
[21:20] <Tamerlin> Yes
[21:21] <MartinGuehmann> And I applied the fortify order on Lemuforce.
[21:21] <Tamerlin> Linz could become an more than easy prey if we follow the Scottish stack, OK for fortify...
[21:21] <MartinGuehmann> So we can end the turn now if noone objects.
[21:22] <Tamerlin> Yep, checking happiness...
[21:22] <Locutus> wouldn't be too sure about them atttacking. more likely they'll just block our path :shame:
[21:22] <Tamerlin> All is right, end turn.
[21:22] <Locutus> sure
[21:22] <Tamerlin> Perhaps will the Austrians attack them...
[21:23] <MartinGuehmann> END TURN 100

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 19:46

[21:24] <Tamerlin> England is starting Chichén Itzà
[21:24] <MartinGuehmann> Yes and lot of wonderes were canceled
[21:24] <Tamerlin> India: Great Wall
[21:25] <Tamerlin> India: abandoned Appian Way
[21:25] <Tamerlin> Only one in my game...

[21:25] <MartinGuehmann> Actual India canceled all the wonders in my game obviously they have to build some other stuff for the war with Thailand.

[21:26] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's continue
[21:26] <MartinGuehmann> Should I follow the Scottish stack?
[21:27] <Tamerlin> Order: Lemuforce and SmallOne: SE
[21:27] <MartinGuehmann> Order executed
[21:28] <MartinGuehmann> Looks like the Scottish are doing the dirty work for us, it revealed an Austrian size 8 South of the Scotts
[21:28] <Tamerlin> Expeditionary force from MP back to Barracks... go the scotts...

[21:29] <Tamerlin> No Austrian stack in my game...

[21:29] <Locutus> that's good. now let's hope they don't take the city before we do

[21:29] <MartinGuehmann> Done and all are now fortified.
[21:29] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah, Locutus.

[21:29] <Tamerlin>

[21:30] <Tamerlin> Order: Bait North
[21:30] <MartinGuehmann> Well, Bait is now the next one I think he should go North.
[21:30] <Tamerlin>

[21:30] <Tamerlin> A road in sight to the NE...
[21:30] <MartinGuehmann> We discovered a Celtic road
[21:31] <MartinGuehmann> and we are already in Celtic territory, but they don't know us, right now.
[21:31] <MartinGuehmann> So orders for Goodsight?
[21:32] <Tamerlin> Do you think goodsight should go along the Indian border or go SW and then W?
[21:32] <Pedrunn> Sorry but can be in the chat anymore
[21:32] <Pedrunn> Or will
[21:32] <Pedrunn> Seeya all
[21:32] <Tamerlin>

Bye Pedrunn...
[21:33] <MartinGuehmann> Bye Pedrunn
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[21:33] <MartinGuehmann> Well if we want to explore as much as possible it doesn't matter where we send Goodsight so we can further explore the Southern area or the Indian border
[21:34] <MartinGuehmann> But as the area is a good settling location we should explore it first.
[21:34] <Tamerlin> SW or South?
[21:35] <Tamerlin> We could first go South and see in the following turn...
[21:35] <MartinGuehmann> Southwest is a good compromise and we can return to the border
[21:35] <Tamerlin> Order: GoodSight SW
[21:35] <MartinGuehmann> So my my vote goes for SW, Locutus?
[21:35] <Tamerlin>

[21:36] <MartinGuehmann> Well, too late
[21:36] <MartinGuehmann> So order executed
[21:36] <Tamerlin> IW, having ADSL does not mean you have to surf and download multiple things while we are chatting to determine the fate of Lemuria...

[21:37] <Locutus> sorry, I have no idea where goodsight is so I can't make such a call... (busy alt-tabbing

)
[21:37] <Tamerlin> Along the Indian border south of our empire
[21:37] <MartinGuehmann>

[21:37] <ImmortalWombat> sorry, been having dinner

[21:37] <Tamerlin>

[21:38] <MartinGuehmann> A good excuse.

[21:38] <Tamerlin>

[21:38] <Tamerlin> All units moved, checking the cities...
[21:38] <MartinGuehmann> Ok all units moved I integrated the units from the East into the defenders of Pedrunnia
[21:40] <Tamerlin> OK, Pressburg Happiness 72, one entertainer or one food setting to the right?
[21:40] <MartinGuehmann> I prefer one entertainer
[21:41] <Tamerlin> Locutus?
[21:41] <Tamerlin> IW?
[21:42] <MartinGuehmann> So Tamerlin, no response is also a response.
[21:42] <Tamerlin> Order: one entertainer in Pressburg
[21:42] <Locutus> 1 entertainer is better
[21:42] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:43] <MartinGuehmann> SO anything left?
[21:44] <Tamerlin> No for me...
[21:44] <MartinGuehmann> Locutus?
[21:44] <Locutus> nope
[21:45] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 101
[21:46] <MartinGuehmann> We discovered the secret of Trade
[21:46] <Tamerlin> Churchill is building the Forbidden City
[21:46] <Tamerlin> Next research should be philosophy...
[21:46] <MartinGuehmann> Also in my game Tamerlin.
[21:47] <Locutus> *searches for tech tree*
[21:47] <MartinGuehmann> Philosphy would be logical if we follow the way to Monarchy.
[21:47] <Tamerlin> One stack of Austrian has came out of Linz while the Scotts have vanished...

[21:48] <Tamerlin> Locutus?
[21:48] <Locutus> what's the cost?
[21:48] <Locutus> in turns
[21:49] <Tamerlin> 14
[21:49] <Locutus> hmmm... very well, go for philosophy...
[21:49] <MartinGuehmann> The Germans end our dream of the Ramajana

[21:49] <MartinGuehmann> 15 turns to the Chinchen Itza
[21:50] <Tamerlin> Change to Chichén Itzà
[21:50] <Locutus> hmmm, switch to appian way?
[21:50] <MartinGuehmann> OK switched to Philosophy
[21:50] <Tamerlin> Would you prefer Appian Way
[21:51] <MartinGuehmann> I inserted the Appian Way directly afterwards the Chinchen Itza
[21:51] <Tamerlin> OK
[21:51] <MartinGuehmann> Actual I think the gold bonus of the pyramid is better.
[21:51] <Tamerlin> I don't agree, the other wonders will have a more lasting effect.
[21:52] <Locutus> never quite understood that bonus: what effect EXACTLY does the pyramid give?
[21:52] <Tamerlin> 500 Gold

[21:52] <Locutus> just 500 gold once? that's what I thought. that's extremely useless. putting your city on capitalism for a few dozens turns brings in more gold...
[21:53] <MartinGuehmann> 500 gold that is a lot in accient times.
[21:53] <Tamerlin> Far more...
[21:53] <MartinGuehmann> No every turn
[21:53] <Locutus> and you can switch as often as you want too
[21:53] <Locutus> that's the thing. I thought it was once, not every turn. if it's every turn, it could be interesting, but I haven't seen any evidence for this
[21:53] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, we are switching between wonders
[21:54] <MartinGuehmann> actual that are only 100 gold but still a lot
[21:54] <Locutus> anyway, Appian Way is far more useful, if we plan on building a large empire (and we do

)
[21:54] <Tamerlin> I think the Appian Way and Chichén Itzà are better.
[21:55] <MartinGuehmann> Fortunatly we don't have to decide it, yet. You should do a pollabout it in the forums Tamerlin.
[21:55] <Tamerlin> Yes, good idea Martin...
[21:55] <Locutus> indeed. how many turn to each?
[21:56] <Tamerlin> 15
[21:56] <Locutus> both?
[21:56] <MartinGuehmann> All
[21:56] <Locutus> nm, answered my own question
[21:57] <MartinGuehmann> Let's continue, in my game the Scotts didn't disappear, as you can see on the screenshot I provided in the turn chat thread.
[21:57] <Locutus> jolly! a screenshot!
[21:58] <Tamerlin> Could you post a saved game... it would allow me to smoke a cigarette.

[21:58] <MartinGuehmann> If you say me before would I should do with lemuforce.

[21:59] <Tamerlin> I am checking the thread...
[22:00] <Tamerlin> And nobody outside of Linz, so I would order both stack to go south and then fortify
[22:00] <MartinGuehmann> Not a bad idea
[22:00] <MartinGuehmann> So order and tehn I can save the game
[22:01] <Locutus> agree to go south, but why fortify?
[22:01] <Tamerlin> THe two armies should arrive in the same turn around Linz...

[22:01] <MartinGuehmann> OK move them South and then save
[22:01] <Locutus> if they both go south twice they do arrive at the same time...
[22:01] <MartinGuehmann> OK?
[22:01] <Tamerlin> Because the Austrians could attempt a sortie... Order confirmed.
[22:02] <MartinGuehmann> Both stacks moved South, order executed. Saving...
[22:03] <Tamerlin> Back in 3 minutes...
[22:03] <MartinGuehmann> posting...
[22:04] <MartinGuehmann> Submitting reply...
[22:05] <MartinGuehmann> Save game posted.
[22:05] <Locutus> d/ling
[22:09] <MartinGuehmann> In the meantime I could posting some Germans near MP
[22:11] <Tamerlin> ready!
[22:12] <Tamerlin> Order: move one Archer from MP following the usual route

[22:12] <MartinGuehmann> To Pedrunnia?
[22:12] <MartinGuehmann> You mean the explortaion?
[22:12] <Tamerlin> Yes to spot any incoming German stack...
[22:13] <Tamerlin> Explor... what?

[22:14] <MartinGuehmann> No Germans there, just the settler I posted a screeny of it.
[22:14] <Tamerlin> Archer goes back to MP
[22:14] <MartinGuehmann> Done new Archer ready in Wels.
[22:15] <MartinGuehmann> I guess fortify
[22:15] <Tamerlin> Yes
[22:16] <MartinGuehmann> Actual grouped with the result of fortification
[22:16] <Tamerlin> Done
[22:16] <Tamerlin> Bait should be moved North
[22:16] <MartinGuehmann> Unil we meet the Celt?
[22:17] <MartinGuehmann> Celt -> Celts
[22:17] <Locutus> N or NE will do (how do you know they're celts?)
[22:17] <Tamerlin> It would allow us to measure the extent of the green lands
[22:17] <Locutus> nm
[22:17] <Tamerlin> If we agree Bait North...
[22:17] <Locutus> agree
[22:18] <MartinGuehmann> Actual I already noticed that there is England
[22:18] <MartinGuehmann> So let's go North
[22:18] <Tamerlin> OK
[22:18] <MartinGuehmann> So am doing it
[22:18] <Tamerlin> I don't see any frontierborders...
[22:18] <Tamerlin> Ooops!
[22:19] <MartinGuehmann> Moved North
[22:19] <Tamerlin> This is the land of plenty...
[22:19] <MartinGuehmann> One step west and we are in English territory
[22:19] <MartinGuehmann> But so far our civilisation does not know it:

[22:20] <Tamerlin>

[22:20] <MartinGuehmann> No contact made, yet.
[22:20] <Tamerlin> OK
[22:20] <MartinGuehmann> A warrior is ready in Graz
[22:20] <Locutus> plenty of civs, yes

[22:20] <MartinGuehmann> shoul we send him to Wien?
[22:21] <Locutus> tamerlin: the status bar mentions the owner of a tile

[22:21] <Tamerlin>

Move the new warrior along the river.
[22:21] <Locutus> he can be in Linz in 6 turns...
[22:22] <Locutus> wien in 5
[22:22] <Tamerlin> Should we send it to Linz or Wien?
[22:22] <MartinGuehmann> I think we should seend it to Wien and attack Linz anyway
[22:23] <Tamerlin> It would allow us to explore an unknown part of the Austrian territory, go for Wien along the river.
[22:23] <Locutus> hmm, wien would be good but I don't quite trust the Linz defenses...
[22:23] <MartinGuehmann> Anyway to both targets it has to go along the river
[22:23] <MartinGuehmann> So two times SW?
[22:23] <Tamerlin> Yes
[22:23] <Tamerlin> Done
[22:24] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[22:24] <MartinGuehmann> Group and fortify new archer in H Town?
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[22:25] <Locutus> fine with me
[22:25] <Tamerlin> Yes, GoodSight should be moved SW or S?
[22:25] <Tamerlin> South?
[22:26] <MartinGuehmann> Then SW
[22:26] <Locutus> S
[22:26] <Tamerlin> Order: GoodSight S
[22:27] <MartinGuehmann> Done, all units moved end turn?
[22:27] <Tamerlin> Checking the cities...
[22:27] <Locutus> what did you do with the archer in wels?
[22:27] <MartinGuehmann> I grouped it
[22:27] <Locutus> k, thanks
[22:28] <Tamerlin> Removing the entertainer to Pressburg would bring back the happiness to 73 so we should remove it.
[22:29] <Tamerlin> to Pressburg=in Pressburg

[22:29] <MartinGuehmann> To happy people aren't good for growth unfortunatly it lowers the science output
[22:29] <MartinGuehmann> Well, it is done.
[22:29] <Tamerlin>

[22:30] <MartinGuehmann> So anything else?
[22:30] <Tamerlin> I think we can end the turn, India and Israel are not happy with us...

[22:30] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah, but we need the mony for the Chinchen Itza
[22:30] <MartinGuehmann> So end turn?
[22:30] <Tamerlin> Yes
[22:31] <Locutus> yeah
[22:31] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 102

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 19:48

[22:31] <Tamerlin> Turks have started working on the Pyramids...
[22:32] <MartinGuehmann> Yes they started the Pyramids
[22:33] <Tamerlin> Lemuforce and SmallOne should both move South
[22:33] <MartinGuehmann> The Size 9 stack left Linz and the city is now empty.
[22:33] <Locutus> what the hell do the Turks want with the Pyramids? Has Suleyman gone mad?! He should be building the Aya Sofia!

[22:34] <Tamerlin> The problem is the Austrian could attack our 8 units stack though Linz would become helpless so I don't think they would fo it... start with the Palace of Topkappi...
[22:35] <MartinGuehmann> He can start building what he wants as long as he never finish it.
[22:35] <Tamerlin>

[22:35] <MartinGuehmann> I posted a screenie
[22:35] <Locutus> Topkapi unfortunately isn't a wonder in CtP2

[22:35] <Tamerlin> If you both agree, both armies South...
[22:35] <Locutus> yeah, agree
[22:35] <Locutus> is that possible, BTW?
[22:35] <MartinGuehmann> So they can attack our stack in the meantime we can take LinZ
[22:35] <Locutus> ZOC and all...
[22:36] <Locutus> indeed
[22:36] <MartinGuehmann> They can still return to Linz
[22:36] <MartinGuehmann> So one South for both armies?
[22:36] <Tamerlin> Yes
[22:37] <Locutus> well, it's only 9 units. I count 1 hoplite, 1 archer and 1 samurai. whatever the other 6 are, 20 units can take them...
[22:37] <MartinGuehmann> Done and Yes one archer South of Linz
[22:38] <MartinGuehmann> So let's move the suicide command one West to Wien?
[22:38] <Tamerlin> Not im my game, how can our game be so different when we have only played one turn since the last save...

[22:38] <MartinGuehmann> Maybe the Barbarian moved somewere else
[22:38] <Tamerlin> Order: Kamikaze on West
[22:39] <Locutus> yes, suicide west
[22:39] <Tamerlin> on = one
[22:39] <Tamerlin> Bait North?
[22:39] <MartinGuehmann> renamed the warrior to Kamikaze
[22:39] <MartinGuehmann> and order executed
[22:39] <Tamerlin>

[22:40] <MartinGuehmann> Good question Tamerlin, we already deep in foreign land
[22:40] <Locutus> yes, the barb obviously was s-se of linz and moved over the river in Martin's game and north in mine (and Tamerlin's?)
[22:40] <Tamerlin> I think so...
[22:40] <Locutus> yeah, north, let's find a Celtic city
[22:40] <MartinGuehmann> OK, let's go North.
[22:41] <Tamerlin> Order: Bait North
[22:41] <Locutus> a fort. interesting...
[22:41] <Tamerlin> Yes
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> The Germains found another city
[22:42] <MartinGuehmann> Prbably some forts for AIs or the other code
[22:42] <Tamerlin> Yes, Bait seems condemned... forts for the road network.
[22:43] <MartinGuehmann> OK, I have a German settler near MP, I don't want that they found another city so expell it?
[22:43] <Tamerlin> I think we should...
[22:43] <MartinGuehmann> Locutus?
[22:44] <Locutus> yeah
[22:44] <Tamerlin> Expell the German settlers!
[22:44] <MartinGuehmann> So I would say see you later Mr. Settler
[22:45] <MartinGuehmann> A settler went home.
[22:45] <MartinGuehmann> Goodsight is left
[22:45] <Tamerlin>

...GoodSight can be sent South
[22:46] <MartinGuehmann> Locutus?
[22:46] <Locutus> agree, south
[22:46] <MartinGuehmann> Or one SE so we something more of the Indian?
[22:46] <Tamerlin> Order: GoodSight South
[22:47] <Tamerlin> cancel order...
[22:47] <Locutus> nah, south is fine.
[22:47] <MartinGuehmann> insert 'see' between we and something
[22:47] <Tamerlin> Confirm order.
[22:48] <Locutus> I see a good hut down south I'd like to get to ASAP. better to go south for a few more turns before going SE
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> So, let's go South
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> So should we look if there is a German around MP as usually?
[22:49] <Tamerlin> Yep, as usual move a Archer along the river and step back if there is nothing.
[22:49] <MartinGuehmann> Nothing was there, moved the unit back
[22:50] <Tamerlin> OK
[22:50] <MartinGuehmann> Now all units are moved should we end the turn?
[22:50] <Tamerlin> I have checked the cities all is quiet on the western front...
[22:50] <Tamerlin> End turn
[22:50] <Locutus> yes
[22:50] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 103
[22:51] <Locutus> bah! forgot to reloadslic...
[22:51] <Tamerlin> Indian are starting Chichén Itzà...

[22:51] <MartinGuehmann> The Autrians moved back
[22:52] <MartinGuehmann> Looks like India started all wonders available
[22:53] <MartinGuehmann> And the Hebrew city Jaffa was conquered by the English.
[22:53] <Tamerlin> I heard the sound but didn't knew the victims, we are living in a harsh world...

[22:54] <Tamerlin> So, are we attacking Linz Gentlemen?

[22:54] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah, last time I played GoodMod the player that is currently playing the English conquered nearly the world.

[22:55] <Tamerlin> Including your empire...

[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> We have nine Austrains in it, so we could.
[22:55] <Tamerlin> Go?
[22:55] <Locutus> oh well, at least their not attacking the arabs for once

[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> Furtunatly it was a testgame that I played with the Barbarians.

[22:55] <Locutus> yeah, attack
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's take Linz of course first the big stack.
[22:56] <Tamerlin> ORDER: Attack Linz with Lemuforce

[22:57] <MartinGuehmann> Four Austrian Archers surfived
[22:57] <Tamerlin> scores perish, no Lemurian survivors, 4 Austrian archers left...
[22:57] <MartinGuehmann> So use small one for the victory?
[22:57] <MartinGuehmann> small one -> SmallOne
[22:57] <Tamerlin> ORDER: Attack Linz with SmallOne...
[22:58] <Tamerlin> Extend Empire...

[22:58] <Locutus> ouch, I did much better. 1 badly damaged Austrian Archer survived...
[22:58] <MartinGuehmann> We won!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[22:59] <Tamerlin> ORDER: remove the 2 farmers in Linz and replace them by 2 entertainers, build a Hoplite...
[23:00] <Tamerlin> by=with

[23:00] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[23:00] <Tamerlin> Fortify in Linz
[23:01] <MartinGuehmann> Build queue filled with H A H A
[23:01] <Tamerlin> I was about to type it...

[23:02] <Tamerlin> Next advance in 11 turns now instead of 13...

[23:02] <MartinGuehmann> Posting the Battlescreen of Linz
[23:02] <MartinGuehmann> Now it is there.
[23:03] <Locutus> nice
[23:03] <Tamerlin> Martin, note that if we increase the food requirement by one and remove one entertainer in Linz Philosophy can be reached in 10 turns.
[23:04] <MartinGuehmann> Yup, but let's move out the Archer in MP for Germans whatching first.

[23:04] <Tamerlin> H Town, Graz and Wels would also need less entetainer...
[23:04] <MartinGuehmann> In my game we need 10 turns to Philosophy.
[23:04] <Tamerlin> Order: Send one archer out of MP
[23:05] <Tamerlin>

[23:05] <MartinGuehmann> And back I guess
[23:05] <Tamerlin> Yes
[23:05] <MartinGuehmann> No Germans there
[23:05] <MartinGuehmann> Now it is GoodSight's turn
[23:05] <Tamerlin> Order: GoodSight South
[23:06] <MartinGuehmann> And now it is Bait's turn
[23:07] <Locutus> do we still want to suicide wien? I mean, we don't have the units to attack anyway...
[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> Good question
[23:07] <Tamerlin> We should send him West, if there is something to settle we don't care about crossing the Austrian border... Kamikaze should scout the area.
[23:08] <MartinGuehmann> He should go South?
[23:08] <Locutus> scouting sounds good
[23:08] <Tamerlin> South sounds good, Locutus?
[23:08] <Locutus> but I agree, south would be better
[23:08] <Tamerlin> Order: Kamikaze South
[23:09] <Locutus> check out Pilsen while we're at it...
[23:09] <Tamerlin> Bait?
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> Done, we discovered an Austrian Archer.
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> Bait, should he go North?
[23:09] <Locutus> hmm, we could go west and follow the road to make contact with the celts...
[23:11] <MartinGuehmann> You mean East?
[23:11] <MartinGuehmann> If we follow North we will also find the Celts.
[23:11] <Tamerlin> North or West?
[23:11] <Tamerlin> East?
[23:11] <MartinGuehmann> North
[23:12] <Tamerlin> Locutus North?
[23:12] <Locutus> yeah, east
[23:12] <Tamerlin> Order: Bait East
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[23:12] <Tamerlin> Hi John
[23:12] <MartinGuehmann> Hi John
[23:12] <J_Bytheway> I just got your PM, Martin

[23:12] <Locutus> hey...
[23:13] <J_Bytheway> Have I missed everything?
[23:13] <MartinGuehmann> And I thought you were online.

[23:13] <Tamerlin> Linz has fallen
[23:13] <MartinGuehmann> We just conquered Linz
[23:13] <J_Bytheway> I was online, but I was about 30 e-mails behind, I've only just caught up...
[23:13] <MartinGuehmann> Just check out the turn chat thread
[23:14] <MartinGuehmann>

[23:14] <MartinGuehmann> Bait is now deep in Celtic territory, so far we did not make contact
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> We see a road with a gap and near the gap a fort
[23:15] <Tamerlin> No contact
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> So far turn 104 all units moved
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> We can now end the turn
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> And we discovered Trade
[23:16] <MartinGuehmann> researching right now Philosophy
[23:16] <Tamerlin> No, Happiness and food setting...
[23:16] <MartinGuehmann> The Germans build the Ramajana.

[23:16] <J_Bytheway>

[23:17] <MartinGuehmann> 11 turns to completion of the Chinchen Itza
[23:18] <Tamerlin> Martin, we should raise the food setting and remove some entertainers.
[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, we should do.
[23:19] <MartinGuehmann> I removed the entertainers whereever possible and added a farmer to Linz
[23:20] <Tamerlin> OK
[23:20] <MartinGuehmann> OK we can now end the turn?
[23:20] <Tamerlin> Yes
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> Locutus, John?
[23:21] <Locutus> yeah
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 104

Martin Gühmann · March 13, 2003, 19:51

[23:22] <MartinGuehmann> The Scottish were expelled by Dale's withdraw script
[23:23] <Tamerlin> OK, Portugal at war with Byzantium
[23:24] <MartinGuehmann> No message like this in my game.
[23:24] <Tamerlin>

[23:26] <Tamerlin> We should start thinking about building a new expeditionary force...

[23:26] <MartinGuehmann> Again 20 units for Wien?
[23:26] <Locutus> at least 24, I say
[23:27] <Tamerlin> We only have 16 more to find...

[23:27] <MartinGuehmann> I think we should now move Kamikaze North as we decided to cancel the suicide mission, take a look into the turn chat thread if you don't know about I am talking.
[23:27] <MartinGuehmann> So we have to wait some turns
[23:28] <Tamerlin> Two 12 units stack should be our aim.
[23:29] <Tamerlin> Kamikaze North? To explore the area around Troppau and Wien?
[23:29] <MartinGuehmann> They could now also come from Linz, BTW I removed the entertainer ther it isn't needed anymore there.
[23:29] <MartinGuehmann> Yup, otehrwise Kamikaze is dead.
[23:29] <MartinGuehmann> He could survive the Archer but not the Samurai
[23:30] <Tamerlin> We need to leave some units here... you have spotted troops I can't see then...

[23:30] <Tamerlin> There is nothing on my screen... if we agree then move Kamikaze North
[23:30] <MartinGuehmann> Click here: forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1817604
[23:31] <MartinGuehmann> Just wonder why I posted a screenie.
[23:31] <Locutus> how about ne-ne, along the river?
[23:32] <Tamerlin> OK, I have checked... Back to Graz Locutus?
[23:32] <MartinGuehmann> Also a possibilty to consider.
[23:32] <Tamerlin> John?
[23:32] <J_Bytheway> Sorry, I'm not really aware of our situation yet.
[23:33] <J_Bytheway> I'm trying to look at the screen now
[23:33] <MartinGuehmann> Do you need a save?
[23:33] <Tamerlin> OK, do you agree on the ne-ne move Martin and Locutus?
[23:33] <J_Bytheway> No, I won't be staying long anyway.
[23:33] <J_Bytheway> I need to go to bed soon.
[23:33] <J_Bytheway> I think I will be something of a non-entity in this chat.
[23:34] <Tamerlin> I think we could perhaps end the chat after we have completed this turn as they are many things to decide...
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> What would be the long term goal for that move, Tamerlin?
[23:34] <Tamerlin> Retreat into Graz and wait for the Austrians scouts to come too close to our cities and then attck them.
[23:35] <MartinGuehmann> Also an idea, so Locutus?
[23:36] <Tamerlin> The warrior and its 2 tile vision range could thus be used to an advantage as we would spot the intruders two tiles away using the MP tactic.
[23:36] <MartinGuehmann> OK NE NE, Locutus?
[23:36] <Locutus> yeah
[23:36] <Tamerlin> ORDER: Kamikaze NE-NE
[23:37] <J_Bytheway> Yep, my uninformed opinion agrees too.
[23:37] <Tamerlin>

[23:37] <MartinGuehmann> Done, I also grouped the new units in Graz and H Town into the defenders army
[23:38] <Tamerlin> OK
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> army -> armies
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> Let's see if there are any Germans?
[23:38] <Tamerlin> Have we already sent our Archer out of MP
[23:38] <Tamerlin>

[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> Nope
[23:39] <Tamerlin> ORDER: move one archer out of MP and step back into the city
[23:39] <MartinGuehmann> But actual I like to move it two tiles away and fortify it there.
[23:39] <J_Bytheway> Incidentally, it's the end of my university term now, so I won't be able to join any turnchats after this until after Easter...

[23:40] <Tamerlin>

I wish you good luck nonetheless
[23:40] <Tamerlin> ORDER: GoodSight North
[23:41] <MartinGuehmann> Goodsight? You mean Bait?
[23:41] <Tamerlin> North = South
[23:41] <MartinGuehmann> So Bait one South?
[23:41] <MartinGuehmann> I mean Goodsight
[23:42] <Tamerlin> Sorry Martin I missed your answer about the Archer out of MP, Locutus what about Martin's proposal...
[23:42] <J_Bytheway> And I thought I was bad for muddling east and west

[23:42] <Tamerlin> GoodSight South
[23:42] <MartinGuehmann> Anyway next turn I executed the order
[23:42] <Tamerlin> Sorry!
[23:42] <J_Bytheway> If we did as Martin proposed, what terrain would the archer then be on?
[23:43] <MartinGuehmann> Goodsight moved one tile South
[23:43] <Tamerlin> The archer would be in a river + grassland tile
[23:44] <MartinGuehmann> John on a forest tile or a grassland tile depend if we move NE NE or Ne N, both tiles are river tiles.
[23:44] <MartinGuehmann> But actual we could use another Archer from MP
[23:45] <MartinGuehmann> So Tamerlin, Locutus?
[23:46] <J_Bytheway> Hmm... I think it might be a good idea, considering how many German settlers seem to be coming that way.
[23:46] <Tamerlin> NE-N seems fine
[23:46] <MartinGuehmann> I agree with Tamerlin
[23:46] <MartinGuehmann> Locutus?
[23:46] <Locutus> agree
[23:46] <Tamerlin> Order: Archer scouts NE-N
[23:46] <MartinGuehmann> and hope fortify it
[23:47] <MartinGuehmann> No Germans there, fortify?
[23:47] <MartinGuehmann> OK, next unit is Bait, one North?
[23:47] <Tamerlin> Yes
[23:48] <Tamerlin> Order: Bait North
[23:48] <Tamerlin> Contact with the English...

[23:48] <MartinGuehmann> Both things done. Bait discovered a trade route
[23:49] <Tamerlin> I have a german settler north of CL
[23:49] <MartinGuehmann> No contact with England

[23:49] <Tamerlin>

[23:49] <MartinGuehmann> No Germans there.
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> I think the English are to aggressive so it is better not to have contact with them.

[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> All units moved, end turn?
[23:50] <Tamerlin> Must be the german settlers that moved in a different way the turn before and that I have thus been forbidden to expell...

[23:51] <MartinGuehmann> Do you need a reality patch?

[23:51] <MartinGuehmann> So end turn?
[23:51] <Tamerlin> Checking the cities... I think we should perhaps stop here Martin?
[23:51] <MartinGuehmann> At least one turn.

[23:52] <Tamerlin> Just to be sure, no more entertainers in Linz?
[23:52] <MartinGuehmann> No more entertainers in Linz
[23:52] <Tamerlin> If yes, end turn
[23:52] <Tamerlin>

[23:52] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 105
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann> So should Bait now go Nroth?
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann> Nroth -> North
[23:54] <Tamerlin> I don't know, Locutus?
[23:54] <Tamerlin> Why not East?
[23:55] <MartinGuehmann> The road is leading North
[23:55] <Tamerlin> Order: Bait North
[23:56] <Locutus> it should have followed the road last turn. don't really care now

[23:56] <Tamerlin> Contact with the celts
[23:56] <MartinGuehmann> Confirm contact with the Celts
[23:56] <Tamerlin> Sorry Locutus, it seems I have fumbled something last turn.
[23:57] <MartinGuehmann> And they have a size 12 stack
[23:57] <MartinGuehmann> doesn't matter is only a one tile road anyway
[23:57] <Locutus> nm, not a big deal. we have contact now (well, you do anyway

)
[23:57] <Locutus> what is their attitude?
[23:57] <Tamerlin> I just see Numantia as size 11
[23:58] <MartinGuehmann> OK next unit to move is Goodsight
[23:58] <Tamerlin> Not very happy as we are in their territory
[23:58] <Tamerlin> Order: GoodSight South
[23:58] <MartinGuehmann> No city in sight.
[23:58] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[23:58] <MartinGuehmann> Kamikaze should go now to Graz
[23:59] <Tamerlin> Sorry it seems I am one tile West or East or your current position.
[23:59] <Tamerlin> Order: Kamikaze enters Graz
[00:00] <MartinGuehmann> Kamikaze entered Graz and was fortified there.
[00:00] <MartinGuehmann> All units moved, end turn?
[00:00] <Locutus> order: hmm, offer a map exchange to the germans
[00:01] <Locutus> request first, meek
[00:01] <Locutus> sorry celts
[00:01] <Locutus> not germans
[00:01] <MartinGuehmann> Which tone?
[00:02] <MartinGuehmann> Locutus?
[00:02] <J_Bytheway> meek he said
[00:03] <Tamerlin> rejected
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> That should be the tone in the middle
[00:04] <Locutus> yes, in the middle
[00:04] <MartinGuehmann> Rejected
[00:04] <Locutus> hmm, can we spare 100 gold?
[00:05] <MartinGuehmann> Usually I use the 2nd from the top and do the map exchange the way around, and with a threat if necceassy
[00:05] <MartinGuehmann> It worked with the Hebrews
[00:06] <Locutus> meek works better, in my experience
[00:06] <Tamerlin> So?
[00:06] <Locutus> friendly = kindly asking, meek = begging
[00:06] <Locutus> AI seems to respond well to suck-ups

[00:06] <Tamerlin> I agree
[00:06] <Tamerlin>

[00:07] <Locutus> anyway, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question if we can spare some gold...
[00:07] <MartinGuehmann> OK, we are currently earning 150 gold per turn so we could spend the requested 100 gold
[00:07] <Tamerlin> We have 3715 Gold in our treasury
[00:08] <MartinGuehmann> I only have 3700 gold
[00:08] <Tamerlin>

[00:08] <J_Bytheway> Yes, I think wecan certainly spare 100 for the celts
[00:08] <Locutus> then don't threaten now and give 100 gold
[00:08] <MartinGuehmann> So 100 gold will be given
[00:08] <J_Bytheway> You probably had different riots in some turn...
[00:08] <Locutus> once again meek
[00:08] <Tamerlin> Done
[00:09] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[00:10] <Tamerlin> And?
[00:10] <MartinGuehmann> Unfortunatly you came too late Locutus.

[00:10] <MartinGuehmann> So wrong tone.
[00:10] <MartinGuehmann> So can we end now the turn.
[00:10] <Tamerlin> I have checked the cities and all is all right...
[00:10] <Locutus> bah! I told Pedrunn to always use Meek unless stated otherwise. Hereby I'm telling you now...

[00:11] <Locutus> yeah, end turn
[00:11] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 106
[00:12] <Locutus> I wouldn't horribly mind stopping now...
[00:12] <J_Bytheway> Well, I need to go now, so that would be good for me

[00:12] <Tamerlin> Fine with me...
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> Well the Celts demand that we withdraw our troops
[00:12] <Tamerlin> Answer yes
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> Well afterwards I know how to respond then we can end the chat
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> Locutus?
[00:13] <Tamerlin> Yes
[00:13] <J_Bytheway> Should you counter with a request for withdrawl?
[00:13] <Locutus> yes
[00:13] <Locutus> nah, we can do that later
[00:13] <Locutus> don't piss them off or we will have spent 100 gold for nothing...
[00:14] <MartinGuehmann> Accepted
[00:14] <Tamerlin> They are also proposing a map exchange
[00:14] <MartinGuehmann> They offer now a map exxhange, of course I guess acceopt.

[00:14] <Tamerlin> yo!
[00:15] <MartinGuehmann> Accept, Locutus?
[00:15] <Locutus> yeah, of course
[00:15] <MartinGuehmann> Otherwise I do it without orders.
[00:15] <Tamerlin> Do it...

[00:16] <J_Bytheway> Be rebellious

[00:16] <Tamerlin> If you dare...
[00:16] <Locutus>

[00:16] <MartinGuehmann> Done, it looks like the English already conquered some Celtic cities.
[00:17] <Tamerlin> I have a message from the Germany telling us the great democrat known as Otto Von Bismarck has almost ended the Appian Way.
[00:17] <MartinGuehmann> Next turn we can build the Chinchen Itza
[00:17] <MartinGuehmann> Yes I got this message, too.
[00:17] <Locutus> bah, there goes one of the best wonders in the game...
[00:18] <J_Bytheway> Shucks. Well, I'm off now. Bye.
[00:18] <Tamerlin> We could disband a unit this turn and rushbuy the wonder this turn
[00:18] <Locutus> bye
[00:18] <Tamerlin> Bye
[00:18] <MartinGuehmann> Bye, John.
[00:18] <Locutus> I won't be long anymore either...
[00:18] * J_Bytheway has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
[00:18] <MartinGuehmann> I think we should now end this chat and decide it next chat.
[00:19] <MartinGuehmann> So any objections?
[00:19] <Tamerlin> We should end now, I have a friend at home and he is actually waiting for me to end the chat... I will poll for the wonder to rushbuy...
[00:19] <MartinGuehmann> And poll what we should actual rushbuy.
[00:19] <MartinGuehmann> So, no objection?
[00:20] <Tamerlin> I will only poll on the wonder to rushbuy not on the need or not to rushbuy...
[00:20] <Tamerlin> Yes, end chat martin
[00:21] <MartinGuehmann> Actual I thought of the kind of wonder should we build the Chinchen Itza, the Pyramid, ...
[00:21] <Locutus> end chat
[00:21] <MartinGuehmann> END OF 14TH TURN CHAT
[00:21] <Locutus> and build chichen itza, if appian way is lost...
[00:21] <Tamerlin> Actually I should, you are right Martin. One poll for the wonder and we will decide in the next turn chat or not to rushbuy...

PS: If you wonder why the smilies are missing in the first part you can either blame Markos or the people in the Chat. Markos for limiting the numbers of images including smilies in one post or the people in the Chat for posting so much of them, or me as I did not want to use another post.