The papers say, "Bush incompetent".

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 00:31

I guess that it's time for reputable news organisations to say what Agathon has been saying since he joined Apolyton.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Mar15.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/16/op...partner=GOOGLE

http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/opin...ixnewstop.html

Asher · March 16, 2003, 00:37

Newspapers running editorials with controversial (in the US) topics.

When will the madness end?!

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 00:39

Perhaps when Bush fires Rumsfeld, Powell, et al. and hires that De Villepin guy.

Anyway take your pick from the other few hundred editorials on the same subject I found in Google News.

Asher · March 16, 2003, 00:41

Rumsfeld is cool because he's brutally honest.
We need more politicians like him, even if you disagree with his politics.

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 00:44

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Originally posted by Asher
Rumsfeld is cool because he's brutally honest.

Yeah - he's like the Grand Dragon on holiday in Africa complaining about the ********. Wouldn't the Africans just love that.

Nubclear · March 16, 2003, 00:44

Quote:

Originally posted by Asher
Rumsfeld is cool because he's brutally honest.

And that would be good in politics if this were the imperial age

GePap · March 16, 2003, 00:44

Ross Perot was brutally honest too: perhaps you care to elect him?

What is so astonishing is, had this admin. never stated that it was wiling to go at it alone, but instead had from the beginning sought to unify the world not in the aim of disarmement but regime change in Iraq, today evrything would be so much better. Sometime its not only what you intend to do, but how you do it that matters.

Asher · March 16, 2003, 00:44

Agathon: I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

Asher · March 16, 2003, 00:45

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Originally posted by GePap
Ross Perot was brutally honest too: perhaps you care to elect him?

I'd take Perot over Bush, sadly.

Nubclear · March 16, 2003, 00:46

Everyone just needs to consider that Asher is canadian.......He doesnt know any better......

GePap · March 16, 2003, 00:46

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Originally posted by Asher

I'd take Perot over Bush, sadly.

So would I.

Asher · March 16, 2003, 00:47

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Everyone just needs to consider that Asher is canadian.......He doesnt know any better......

I'm dual.

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 00:49

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Originally posted by Asher
Agathon: I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

Grand Dragon is a senior rank in the Ku Klux Klan (at least I saw one on Jerry Springer once). You work it out.

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 00:50

Quote:

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Everyone just needs to consider that Asher is canadian.......He doesnt know any better......

Don't tar all Canadians. He's from Alberta.

Asher · March 16, 2003, 00:50

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Originally posted by Agathon
Grand Dragon is a senior rank in the Ku Klux Klan (at least I saw one on Jerry Springer once). You work it out.

I'd rather have a Grand Dragon from the KKK elected than a closet racist. It makes it much easier to figure out who to kick out of office when they're open and honest about their policies rather than deceptive about them.

Nubclear · March 16, 2003, 00:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Agathon

Don't tar all Canadians.

Why not?

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 00:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Asher

I'd rather have a Grand Dragon from the KKK elected than a closet racist. It makes it much easier to figure out who to kick out of office when they're open and honest about their policies rather than deceptive about them.

I'm talking about foreign policy. Who do you think would produce better diplomatic results, all other things being equal?

Official A who doesn't think much of the countries with which she is dealing but spends vast amounts of time reassuring them and helping them sell an unpopular alliance to their people.

Official B who doesn't think much of the countries with which he is dealing and says, "you better be on our side, or else; you better be with us, or you're irrelevant; here's some money, be on our side - who cares about your electorate;" and, my favourite, "we don't need any allies anyway."

DR was a good cold warrior but the CW is over.

Asher · March 16, 2003, 00:57

I'm confused by what you mean by diplomacy.

Diplomacy in the US means something totally different than everywhere else in the world.

US diplomacy are cruise missiles and aircraft carriers, everywhere else uses traditional diplomacy.

And traditional diplomacy is the the art of saying "Nice doggy" until you can find a stick.

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 00:58

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000

Why not?

Because the people in Alberta have quaint antedeluvian right wing attitudes which aren't shared by the rest of the country.

They are also culturally different: e.g. Toronto has a Film Festival, Montreal has a Jazz Festival and Calgary has a Stampede.

They also have two really bad NHL teams and tend to blame the Liberal government for this.

Asher · March 16, 2003, 00:58

"A diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you'll look forward to the trip."

Nubclear · March 16, 2003, 00:59

Quote:

Originally posted by Agathon

Because the people in Alberta have quaint antedeluvian right wing attitudes which aren't shared by the rest of the country.

They are also culturally different: e.g. Toronto has a Film Festival, Montreal has a Jazz Festival and Calgary has a Stampede.

They also have two really bad NHL teams and tend to blame the Liberal government for this.

Hmm......OK.

Burn the flag of Alberta!!!!

Boris Godunov · March 16, 2003, 00:59

Rumsfeld is actually looking more and more like a lunatic.

Asher · March 16, 2003, 00:59

Quote:

Originally posted by Agathon
Because the people in Alberta have quaint antedeluvian right wing attitudes which aren't shared by the rest of the country.

They are also culturally different: e.g. Toronto has a Film Festival, Montreal has a Jazz Festival and Calgary has a Stampede.

You forgot about the Banff Film Festival.

And Montreal's Just for Laughs is better than their Jazz Festival. Jeez, what kind of Canadian are you?

And the Stampede isn't really a Stampede. It's basically a supersized State fair. Lots of rides, big-name musical acts performing for free, etc. There's also a world-class Rodeo and stuff, but no one pays attention to that.

And just don't talk about Alberta culture. It's actually culturally identical to almost everywhere else in western Canada, even central Canada (excluding Quebec). You're playing off stereotypes.

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 01:01

Quote:

Originally posted by Asher
I'm confused by what you mean by diplomacy.

Diplomacy in the US means something totally different than everywhere else in the world.

Only under Bush II. Madeleine Albright was much more skilled.

Quote:

US diplomacy are cruise missiles and aircraft carriers, everywhere else uses traditional diplomacy.

And it's worked wonderfully don't you think? I mean if they had been prepared to be more flexible they probably could have had most of what they wanted without much trouble.

Quote:

And traditional diplomacy is the the art of saying "Nice doggy" until you can find a stick.

No - it's not having to resort to the stick unless you have to. If you have to that's fine, but why do so when you don't need to.

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 01:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Asher

You forgot about the Banff Film Festival.

And Montreal's Just for Laughs is better than their Jazz Festival. Jeez, what kind of Canadian are you?

I can't pronounce or spell Banff. JFL is good, but I like Jazz better.

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 01:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Asher

And the Stampede isn't really a Stampede. It's basically a supersized State fair. Lots of rides, big-name musical acts performing for free, etc. There's also a world-class Rodeo and stuff, but no one pays attention to that.

I would kill myself if I were ever forced to line dance.

Having said that some of those Calgary cowgirls look built for speed. If only their morals were as loose as their shirts.

Zylka · March 16, 2003, 01:09

AGGY I SHORE HAVEN'T SCEEN THAT QUOTE IN YOUR SIG PUT MORE INTELLIGENLECTUALLY OR ELOKWENTLY

HEA'RS TO TRITE, AMATEUR PHILOSOPHY

Asher · March 16, 2003, 01:10

The Stampede is basically an excuse to goof off. Tons of people wear hickish cowboy hats and flannel shirts and cowboy boots and stuff, but it's all in fun. Yee-haw!

Agathon · March 16, 2003, 01:11

Quote:

Originally posted by Zylka
AGGY I SHORE HAVEN'T SCEEN THAT QUOTE IN YOUR SIG PUT MORE INTELLIGENLECTUALLY OR ELOKWENTLY

HEA'RS TO TRITE, AMATEUR PHILOSOPHY

That's pretty rich coming from the guy with an animated crab as his avatar.

Have a nice day...

Zylka · March 16, 2003, 01:12

...and fireworks. Watching tons and tons of fireworks go off infront of downtown with a cowboy hat at your side

I'm desperate to see the Vancouver fw exhibition