Is cheating morally wrong?

Nubclear · March 16, 2003, 23:33

DA OR NYET?

John-SJ · March 16, 2003, 23:44

I voted no assuming that it a single player game we are talking about. If not, then I reserve the right to change my vote to yes.

John

Nubclear · March 16, 2003, 23:44

Quote:

Originally posted by John-SJ
I voted no assuming that it a single player game we are talking about. If not, then I reserve the right to change my vote to yes.

John

Vote NON!!!!

And yes, i'm taling about single player.

ravagon · March 17, 2003, 01:47

Pfft.
If it doesn't affect anybody else then to each his own...
Of course, one who cheats, exploits loopholes, AI's, etc and then complains about something being too easy is really just cheating oneself...

Frozzy · March 17, 2003, 02:29

I started a poll yay back about if people cheated. Most said they cheated after completing the game. If they do this then Nyet.

Scouse Gits · March 17, 2003, 04:43

It is really not possible to 'cheat' in SP - you simply decide that a particular exploit is within the compass of the game for yourself. After all SP is purely about self-gratification - if it works for you then it is OK.

Cheating only applies when there is another person involved - and now one is trying to succeed by means not necessarily available to your opponent - of course exploits can be agreed upon - but then they are by definition not cheats - but IMO any exploit not explicitly agreed with all participants is a cheat and anyone who uses them is morally bankrupt.

OK - I seem to be in the minority here - but this is no 'high moral ground' - we are talking about GAMES - that are PLAYED for FUN - losing is not the end of the world, it is a learning experience that we hope to reverse next time - if we cheat, we learn nothing - and if we are caught there is no next time.

SG[1]

Jamski · March 17, 2003, 04:47

Hmm, we're talking about games here. Is it morally wrong to use nukes in Civ? Or Genejack Factories?

I have no morals anyway

-Jam

Maquiladora · March 17, 2003, 04:53

Even if it was multiplayer i would still say its not always morally wrong, for one reason, to take revenge on the cheaters or really dodgy "l33t" players who like to lord it up, they dont like that.

Some of the most fun games ive had online/LAN on any game is when everyone was obviously using cheats (maybe because we KNEW it was even ground then), using cheats on the unknowing is bad form though.

Singleplayer is never morally wrong.

Adagio · March 17, 2003, 05:37

I voted Yes, since you didn't say anything about if it was SP or MP, and cheating in MP is defently wrong... while if you cheat in SP, you only cheat yourself...

DrSpike · March 17, 2003, 05:53

SP - Do what you like, as long as you enjoy it, and don't pass off your accomplishments as not using whatever 'cheat' you employ.

MP - You are scum; you are morally bankrupt, and we should all come round your house and give you a damn good kicking.

Maquiladora · March 17, 2003, 06:32

All MP games are ****ed up now anyway, if you want a sure fire fair game then play with someone you trust. The cloest youll get to a fair game on a public server is if everone is cheating.

DrSpike · March 17, 2003, 06:41

Don't be so cynical.

Unfortunately there is some truth in that though, you always have to be cautious...........but the vast majority of gamers just want a good game. The detrimental effect of cheaters is more than proportional to their size as a proportion of all gamers.

Maquiladora · March 17, 2003, 06:56

Quote:

Originally posted by DrSpike
The detrimental effect of cheaters is more than proportional to their size as a proportion of all gamers.

True, playing against a cheat often breeds another angry cheater.

If only all SP cheats were totally disabled, we'd all become more honest, or at least better players before we started playing online. It should be a prerequisite to complete the game fairly before you open the MP portion.

Sarxis · March 17, 2003, 08:02

Cheating is boring.

Lemmy · March 17, 2003, 08:13

[dbtsverse]
If cheating is evil, and the programmers allow, and knowingly create these cheats, would that make programmers the source of evil?
[/dbtsverse]

Static Universe · March 17, 2003, 11:37

In single player games, I don't think it's immoral. It's your game, you money*, and your time, play anyway that gives you some enjoyment.

About the only cheat I use regularly is using an editor to give myself life and death books simulataneously in MoM.

*Unless you pirated it, so you might as well cheat and make your corruption complete.

Nubclear · March 17, 2003, 13:00

Quote:

Originally posted by Tassadar5000

Vote NON!!!!

And yes, i'm taling about single player.

Quote:

I voted Yes, since you didn't say anything about if it was SP or MP, and cheating in MP is defently wrong... while if you cheat in SP, you only cheat yourself...

You should've read the thread....

Adagio · March 17, 2003, 13:21

Yes, you wrote it a few posts later, but I always only read first post, before I vote

Boris Godunov · March 17, 2003, 14:37

I can't see why anyone would find SP cheating "immoral." If I've bought the game, I can do whatever the hell I want with it.

As for MP...yeah, that sucks, of course. But it's only mildly immoral. It's not like committing adultery, after all.

Skanky Burns · March 17, 2003, 21:59

I voted yes, but only because I misread the question.

In sp, there are many different goals you might have for that game, such as having fun, discovering the internal game mechanics, trying to get to the ending(s), etc. If cheating helps you to achieve your particular goal, more power to you. If it doesn't help you to achieve your particular goal but you cheat anyway, then you are somewhat stupid but not immoral.

In MP of course, cheating is plain wrong unless it is "understood" to be ok amongst the people you play with.

Felch · March 17, 2003, 22:58

Not in single player. And sometimes not in MP.

ravagon · March 18, 2003, 00:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
I voted yes, but only because I misread the question.

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody who's read DrSpike's sig.

[Edit: Er, his old sig.

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Skanky Burns · March 18, 2003, 02:02

pg · March 18, 2003, 03:22

i normally don't cheat at all in single player games, and never in multiplayer(but i can have fun playing against cheaters in fps games). lately, as i've logged more and more hours in eu2 i sometimes use a few cheats. usually just the diplomat/traders/colonist/stability/reform cheats or such(almost never bb points though). eu2 can be ungodly slow sometimes and this sort of speeds it up. plus the random events really get on my nerves sometimes since they are random!.

i also edit save games to changes things for both myself and the ai but that's more like scenario making. basically i cheat in eu2 to enhance my gaming experience. i wasn't interested in cheating at all until i had pretty much beaten the game several times.