Bush Speech Thread - Page 3

Sava · March 17, 2003, 22:30

My Prediction:

Saddam will dig in, won't be found. Iraq will be "liberated". Bush will get voted out in 2004. Then him and Cheney will make millions selling the new Iraqi regime oil equipment.

Meanwhile, the economy will continue to sag, we'll create even more debt, then a Democratic president will balance the budget and we'll see economic boom around 2011.

Drake Tungsten · March 17, 2003, 22:31

I believe we said that there would be no invasion. A peaceful occupation isn't an invasion...

Inverse Icarus · March 17, 2003, 22:31

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Originally posted by Frogger

I'm not arguing about the necessity of this; I just find it fairly strange that several people here think that the US would pack up and leave if Saddam exiled himself, when their own Secretary of State has said the exact opposite.

i think (but cant speak for) the people mean that we wouldn't go in and kill people if he left. if saddam left, do you think the Iraqis would fight us?

Sava · March 17, 2003, 22:32

Even though Uber seems to like our mentally-handicapped, evil president; he does make a good point. Despite objecting to the war, I still support our troops. They're the home team. And if you don't want to root for the home team, then get the hell out.

Zylka · March 17, 2003, 22:32

My predictions: South Park will become uncool sometime late last millenium

KrazyHorse · March 17, 2003, 22:33

That's not what the question was. It was about invading.

If the Iraqi Army surrendered in one go, then no: I don't think you'd continue shooting them.

Inverse Icarus · March 17, 2003, 22:33

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Originally posted by Zylka
My predictions: South Park will become uncool sometime late last millenium

TIMMAY!

raghar · March 17, 2003, 22:33

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Originally posted by Richelieu
So no one is going to comment about the "don't burn your oilfields" bit ?

Akane Tendo said don't burn, don't burn too. And She used vinegear instead of wine.

Maybe we could nickname Bush as Akane Tendo. You know Bush cute girl. Boris what would you think about this idea?

Ming · March 17, 2003, 22:33

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Originally posted by Sava
My Prediction:

Saddam will dig in, won't be found. Iraq will be "liberated". Bush will get voted out in 2004. Then him and Cheney will make millions selling the new Iraqi regime oil equipment.

Meanwhile, the economy will continue to sag, we'll create even more debt, then a Democratic president will balance the budget and we'll see economic boom around 2011.

Read my first post again... expecially the part about trolls getting restricted. You are one troll away from sitting this war out.

faded glory · March 17, 2003, 22:33

wow thats some crystal ball you got there Sava

Ming · March 17, 2003, 22:34

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Originally posted by Zylka
My predictions: South Park will become uncool sometime late last millenium

My warning goes to you too...

Sava · March 17, 2003, 22:34

sorry x-post

Inverse Icarus · March 17, 2003, 22:34

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Originally posted by Frogger
That's not what the question was. It was about invading.

If the Iraqi Army surrendered in one go, then no: I don't think you'd continue shooting them.

well, i might, but i'm just bored. i wouldnt want to get deployed in the desert and NOT kill something. i think the armed forces have a bit more restraint, though.

KrazyHorse · March 17, 2003, 22:35

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I believe we said that there would be no invasion. A peaceful occupation isn't an invasion...

To get to the occupying stage you have to invade. Unless you feel that the Iraqis would have the ability to form a new, legitimate, internationally-recognised government in the time between Saddam leaving and you entering (which would probably be measured in hours) and which would immediately invite you in for tea, it would be an invasion.

monkspider · March 17, 2003, 22:35

Sava, Tass has every right to not support the USA if he chooses not to. If he feels that the bad guys are the home team in this instance, why should he be forced to support them? Were Germans who dissented in the 30's wrong for doing so?

Lincoln · March 17, 2003, 22:36

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Originally posted by Frogger

I'm not arguing about the necessity of this; I just find it fairly strange that several people here think that the US would pack up and leave if Saddam exiled himself, when their own Secretary of State has said the exact opposite.

I think the objection is toward the people who think we will go to war if Saddam leaves. We woud of course not simply leave and go home.

Caesar the Great · March 17, 2003, 22:37

Whats kinda scary is that by the same logic you could justify a "regime change" in the US. After all, AL won more popular votes, neither candidate even represents a majority of the American people. With massive worldwide protests, it is clear the US is a threat to international peace, past actions are a proof of that, going back to the nuclear attacks in 1945.

Scary how much a regime change in the US makes sense....

SpencerH · March 17, 2003, 22:37

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Originally posted by monkspider
Sava, Tass has every right to not support the USA if he chooses not to. If he feels that the bad guys are the home team in this instance, why should he be forced to support them? Were Germans who dissented in the 30's wrong for doing so?

Why do I feel like I've entered the twilight zone?

Drake Tungsten · March 17, 2003, 22:37

You might want to look invasion up in a dictionary, Frogger...

Sava · March 17, 2003, 22:38

Then hate the Republicans, not Americans... there's a difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops overseas. I'm probably the biggest Bush-hater around, but I've also got two buddies in the Marines. I'll fly my American flag high, despite the fact some dumbass president is tarnishing it.

Inverse Icarus · March 17, 2003, 22:39

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Originally posted by monkspider
Sava, Tass has every right to not support the USA if he chooses not to. If he feels that the bad guys are the home team in this instance, why should he be forced to support them? Were Germans who dissented in the 30's wrong for doing so?

again comparing america to nazi germany. when we start systematically killing the Iraqi people for no reason, come back and yell at me.

If you don't support the war, thats fine. It's going to happen, we're going to win. But I've seen people wear shirt saying "I hope the Taliban wins!" (a little dated, but still). I know tass hasn't done that (yet) but the fact remains that the war is going to happen.

Also, comparing America to Nazi Germany is an act of pure ignorance, in any case.

KrazyHorse · March 17, 2003, 22:39

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The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease.
An intrusion or encroachment.

As far as I can see, nos 1 and 3 apply.

Would you like to try again, sweetie?

Inverse Icarus · March 17, 2003, 22:40

oh, and sava, i never really liked that song, but most of that CD rocks

KrazyHorse · March 17, 2003, 22:40

Or would the US Army leave their guns at home?

Richelieu · March 17, 2003, 22:41

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Originally posted by monkspider
Sava, Tass has every right to not support the USA if he chooses not to. If he feels that the bad guys are the home team in this instance, why should he be forced to support them? Were Germans who dissented in the 30's wrong for doing so?

Not only that : it is his duty as an American and as a free man to voice his concern, to try and rally as many people as he can to his point of view and try to stop this from happening.

Sava · March 17, 2003, 22:41

Uber

People who usually make such stupid comparisons have no idea what Nazi Germany was like.

Drake Tungsten · March 17, 2003, 22:42

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As far as I can see, nos 1 and 3 apply.

Would you like to try again, sweetie?

#1 doesn't apply, as US troops wouldn't be moving in to conquer Iraq.

My dictionary doesn't have a number #3.

Sava · March 17, 2003, 22:43

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Originally posted by UberKruX
oh, and sava, i never really liked that song, but most of that CD rocks

PUT YOUR HANDS UP, GET OUT OF THE CAR!!

I haven't been following the other thread-jack... but going into Iraq is an invasion. Regardless of it's intentions, an invasion is an invasion.

monkspider · March 17, 2003, 22:44

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Originally posted by Sava
Then hate the Republicans, not Americans... there's a difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops overseas. I'm probably the biggest Bush-hater around, but I've also got two buddies in the Marines. I'll fly my American flag high, despite the fact some dumbass president is tarnishing it.

Tass never said that he hated Americans, he implied that he could no longer support the actions of his country, and as a result, he has been told in no uncertain terms to go back to the motherland, by left-leaners no less.

I cannot speak for whether he supports "the troops". But I do think that one can hope that nothing bad happens to the troops overseas, and still hope that the US does successfully invade. That is the position that I hold at least. I sincerely hope that nothing bad happens to any troop, whether American, British, or Iraqi. But if the US does invade, I do not hope that it is successful in it's ambitions.

KrazyHorse · March 17, 2003, 22:44

What would they be doing?

Conquer:

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To defeat or subdue by force, especially by force of arms.
To gain or secure control of by or as if by force of arms: scientists battling to conquer disease; a singer who conquered the operatic world.
To overcome or surmount by physical, mental, or moral force: I finally conquered my fear of heights. See Synonyms at defeat.

The US would be imposing its will on the territory and people of Iraq, given that they would not reasonably be able to set up a legitimate government in the time between exile and entrance of US forces.

1, 2 and 3 apply in this case. Would you like to keep trying?