And so it begins... - Page 2

Chemical Ollie · March 21, 2003, 20:01

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Originally posted by Lonestar
Olaf, I like your title.

Thanks! I'm considering putting you on my buddy list (1st buddy in 15 months on ACS). Now check out the further explanation I've just added to my signature!

Willem · March 21, 2003, 20:07

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Originally posted by Dominikos

I HAVE JUST HEARD ON CNN THAT TURKISH TROOPS HAVE CROSSED INTO IRAQ AGAINT AMERICAN WISHES.

Can anyone confirm?

They're mentioning the same thing on the BBC site.

Chemical Ollie · March 21, 2003, 20:12

Seems like the crap enters the fan. Remember what I wrote 2 hours ago.

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If Turkeys invades, they will become very fierce partisans. And if they feel that US let them down once again, just imagine the consequences! 55 000 highly motivated terrorists!

My collegue has a holiday trip booked to Turkey 6 weeks from now

. I think she has lost that money, right?

And the idea of 55 000 p!ssed-off Kurdish soldiers finding themselves sold out by US just for some short-turn airspace issue doesn't help in the war against terrorism, does it?

The Bush administration enters the history books as the least competent diplomats in human history!

DinoDoc · March 21, 2003, 20:12

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Originally posted by Dissident
I thought you were talking about all those ugly hippies in San Francisco

Speaking of which:

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Thousands in roving bands temporarily took control of some downtown streets and closed several exits from the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge. Smaller splinter groups broke windows, heaved debris into streets and occasionally scuffled with police. Some protesters hurled rocks at trains, briefly halting service at a station in nearby Oakland.

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"We don't want to alienate people. I hope people realize that political murder merits action that inconveniences them," said protester Quinn Miller

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/20/spr....ap/index.html

Yes, let's piss the people off. That's definately a good way to build popular support.

Willem · March 21, 2003, 20:16

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Originally posted by Gatekeeper
No, I wasn't taking the war seriously for a moment, Willem. You wanna be all gloom and doom, be my guest. I choose to be that way only 75 percent of the time.

Gatekeeper

Sorry, but a statement like that can be taken in a number of ways, and it wouldn't be the first time I've heard someone being callous around here. There was someone that was even complaining how boring it was, like it was just a Hollywood movie to designed to entertain him. Thankfully some mod pulled the thread very quickly.

Bereta_Eder · March 21, 2003, 20:17

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We don't want to alienate people. I hope people realize that political murder merits action that inconveniences them

*nods in approval*

Chemical Ollie · March 21, 2003, 20:18

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
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Yes, let's piss the people off. That's definately a good way to build popular support.

Reminds me of my statements above...

Dominikos · March 21, 2003, 20:21

Every war should be taken very seriously. A war affects us all, even in the smallest ways like gas prices. It's a serious issue.

One never knows when a small local war can become a larger conflict.

This may be premature but I think that this war will slow down after a while, as the Coalition forces approach Baghdad and the Kurds, Turks & Jordanians get restless.

The leader of Jordan is extremely unpopular in his own country and the Kurds and Turks are going to be at one anothers throats.

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~Dominik - Lord of the Putumayo~

Willem · March 21, 2003, 20:35

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Originally posted by Dominikos

The leader of Jordan is extremely unpopular in his own country and the Kurds and Turks are going to be at one anothers throats.

An analyst I was watching today mentioned that Imam is also another potential flashpoint. Most of the people are extremely upset with their leader who has sided with the US.

faded glory · March 21, 2003, 20:36

Guys your over-reacting to twist the situation to make it look like your right. Turkey says its only going 3 miles in N. Iraq to establish a buffer zone against refugee's.

Oh ya, stop with the metaphor's. Conflicts dont just "spill" over or "explode" like a glass of milk or firecracker.

Willem · March 21, 2003, 20:53

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Originally posted by faded glory
Guys your over-reacting to twist the situation to make it look like your right. Turkey says its only going 3 miles in N. Iraq to establish a buffer zone against refugee's.

Oh ya, stop with the metaphor's. Conflicts dont just "spill" over or "explode" like a glass of milk or firecracker.

WWI started because one person assassinated another. All it takes is some angry Kurd to take a pot shot, an angry Turk firing back, and the next thing you know everyone is firing at everyone. I hope I'm being paranoid, but anything can happen.

gigapimp3001 · March 21, 2003, 20:54

Sorry, but a "buffer zone" scares the **** out of me. "Our nation needs room to breathe( or buffer zone)" who am I paraphrasing.
Not that I'm comparing the current Turkish admin to some unfortunate characters in history but its the same s**t over and over again (my neighbour's tree blocks out the sun in my garden, this is the greatest injustice in history, they will die!)

Forgive my irreverence but when my country was having the crap bombed out of it last century it was partly our sense of humour that got us through, dispite the indifferance of the mighty and just American military.

It may sound a John Lennon cliche but why cant everyone just get along or at least tolerate each other without violence.

As anyone who goes out drinking on a Saturday night knows, violence solves nothing.........

Odin · March 21, 2003, 21:59

Not the f*cking Turks.

There goese my high hopes for this war, were going to have a huge Al Qaeda drive in Kurdistan if those stupid, warmongering Turks start slaughtering innocent Kurds.

STUPID TURKS!!!

Willem · March 21, 2003, 22:14

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Originally posted by Odin
Not the f*cking Turks.

There goese my high hopes for this war, were going to have a huge Al Qaeda drive in Kurdistan if those stupid, warmongering Turks start slaughtering innocent Kurds.

STUPID TURKS!!!

Well it still remains to be seen what their intentions are. If their goal is refugee control as they claim, then it might just blow over with minor incidents at best. We'll just have to wait and see. One theory is that they want to block the Kurds from controlling the oilfields around Kirkusk. If that's the case, the Kurds aren't going to be pleased.

DRoseDARs · March 21, 2003, 22:46

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Originally posted by faded glory
Oh ya, stop with the metaphor's. Conflicts dont just "spill" over or "explode" like a glass of milk or firecracker.

[Devil's Advocate] Just ask India and Pakistan, they know all about that... [/Devil's Advocate]

Guynemer · March 22, 2003, 00:36

Bad mojo... very, very bad mojo...

Odin · March 22, 2003, 00:40

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Originally posted by Guynemer
Bad mojo... very, very bad mojo...

Willem · March 22, 2003, 00:53

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Originally posted by Guynemer
Bad mojo... very, very bad mojo...

I sure hope you guys don't end up with another Vietnam if this gets out of hand.

Guynemer · March 22, 2003, 01:08

Unlikely, but possible, I suppose. Vietnam in a different form, just general chaos and neverending snafus during the reconstruction period... Turkey could definitely help turn this thing into a complete cluster ****.

Willem · March 22, 2003, 01:14

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Originally posted by Guynemer
Unlikely, but possible, I suppose. Vietnam in a different form, just general chaos and neverending snafus during the reconstruction period... Turkey could definitely help turn this thing into a complete cluster ****.

I've been watching interviews with some ex-patriate Kurds living in the US. They're happy Saddam is about to be toast, but they don't trust the US after what happened with Bush Sr. If they feel they've been betrayed once again, there'll be 55 - 70,000 ready made terrorists making life miserable for coalition and reconstruction troops afterwards.