This Is Just Silly

David Floyd · March 22, 2003, 21:20

So, I saw some news clip the other day of a mother explaining to her daughter that daddy was in Iraq "defending the Constitution."

Now come on. Defending the Constitution? Oh, this must be sorta like the people who claim that WW1, for example, or Korea, were about defending the United States. Do people seriously believe this, or are they just too hyped up on nationalism/patriotism to think?

And no, this thread isn't about bashing the current war. No, naturally I don't support it, but what I'm *****ing about here is the fact that people use patriotic slogans that have no bearing in truth and absolutely no accuracy. And even worse, they're teaching this stuff to children.

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Nubclear · March 22, 2003, 21:21

David: It's peoples way of comforting themselves and their children.

Get over it.

Jaguar · March 22, 2003, 21:21

Blood for Oil! Blood for Oil!

Jaguar · March 22, 2003, 21:22

War is Bad! War is Bad!

Jaguar · March 22, 2003, 21:23

War is terrorism! War is terrorism!

Jaguar · March 22, 2003, 21:23

Iraq = Vietnam! Iraq = Vietnam!

Jaguar · March 22, 2003, 21:24

Let the stupidity parade continue with some dumb pro-war mindless mantras:

Saddam = Hitler! Saddam = Hitler!

Traianvs · March 22, 2003, 21:25

war is peace, freedom is slavery,... ahem ahem

Gibsie · March 22, 2003, 21:25

I can think of worse avatars to see repeatedly.

General Ludd · March 22, 2003, 21:25

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Originally posted by David Floyd
Do people seriously believe this, or are they just too hyped up on nationalism/patriotism to think?

A little of both.

If you where to believe everything that the US officials say, you'd think that Bush was the second coming of christ or something. Alot of people never doubt what an authority figure says, especially with so much jingoism in the air.

Jaguar · March 22, 2003, 21:25

We defend our way of life!

David Floyd · March 22, 2003, 21:25

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David: It's peoples way of comforting themselves and their children.

Maybe, but it basically perpetuates a bunch of lies, and encourages further such action in the future.

Jaguar · March 22, 2003, 21:26

ok enough spammage. Anyway, my point is that debate = mindless mantras. Yes! Debate = Mindless Mantras. Debate = Mindless Mantras!

David Floyd · March 22, 2003, 21:26

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Alot of people never doubt what an authority figure says, and especially with so much jingoism in the air.

So, then, on the day when they were passing out Intelligence, where were these people? Maybe they got injected with the Dumbass gene by accident?

Nubclear · March 22, 2003, 21:27

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Originally posted by Osweld

A little of both.

If you where to believe everything that the US officials say, you'd think that Bush was the second coming of christ or something. Alot of people never doubt what an authority figure says, and especially with so much jingoism in the air.

However, you do have to realize that a mother isnt about to tell her child "Daddy is going to fight a regieme and might die or be tortured so that the president can get his oil."

Especially on TV...

Though I do believe she believes daddy is going to fight a good war. So what? At least it gives her comfort....

Berzerker · March 22, 2003, 21:27

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David: It's peoples way of comforting themselves and their children.

Yes, comforting lies, harsh truths. As Cartman's mom would say, "Eric, you're not fat, you're just big boned".

General Ludd · March 22, 2003, 21:28

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Originally posted by David Floyd

So, then, on the day when they were passing out Intelligence, where were these people?

Probably in front of the T.V.

David Floyd · March 22, 2003, 21:29

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However, you do have to realize that a mother isnt about to tell her child "Daddy is going to fight a regieme and might die or be tortured so that the president can get his oil."

I understand that, but the problem is that the mother seemed to actually believe this ****. And this still doesn't address the issue of people actually believing that wars such as Vietnam, Korea, etc., were about defending our freedom or our country.

DarthVeda · March 22, 2003, 21:31

I like it!

General Ludd · March 22, 2003, 21:32

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Originally posted by DarthVeda

I like it!

Isn't Slavery still practised in Kuwait?

David Floyd · March 22, 2003, 21:35

DV,

Nice poster. Of course, just because war might get rid of certain problems doesn't mean that war is the moral solution. Remember, an immoral solution is immoral, no matter what the problem is.

Jaguar · March 22, 2003, 21:36

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Originally posted by Osweld

Isn't Slavery still practised in Kuwait?

Not Kuwait. Saudi Arabia.

Or at least that's what I thought. It's De Facto though, the government doesn't officially support it or anything. It just looks the other way.

MichaeltheGreat · March 22, 2003, 21:36

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Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
Let the stupidity parade continue with some dumb pro-war mindless mantras:

Saddam = Hitler! Saddam = Hitler!

Hope you enjoyed your spamfest.

You may resume, if you think it adviseable, on Tuesday or so.

August Borms · March 22, 2003, 21:37

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Originally posted by Osweld

Isn't Slavery still practised in Kuwait?

It's still practised in nearly every country...

David Floyd · March 22, 2003, 21:37

When I saw MtG's post, I thought it was him coming down on me for the thread

General Ludd · March 22, 2003, 21:38

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Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior

Not Kuwait. Saudi Arabia.

Or at least that's what I thought. It's De Facto though, the government doesn't officially support it or anything. It just looks the other way.

Ah, truth be told slavery is still practised everywhere. Places like that, it's just not as underground.

EDIT: Crosspost with August Borms

David Floyd · March 22, 2003, 21:39

Iraq also practices slavery. It's called the draft/conscription. If I'm not mistaken, Germany does it too, as do many other nations.

GePap · March 22, 2003, 22:39

DV cute poster.. iot has just one problem:

If i remember correctly, in the cases sited, the "evil" side was the aggressor, not the other way around. (I do not want to get involved in a CW debate, nor will I)

Now, since so many here feel in a pre-emptive mood, let me pre-empt the whole "appeasement" silliness by saying the following:

The Horrors that make the Nazi regime unique begun only after the war begun, and only in those areas under Nazi control (obviously) and that territory expanded solely based on GERMAN VICTORIES. Had war begun in 1938, and the Germans had done as well as they did, the Holocaust would have still happened even without any Munich to point at(and had the allies taken the offensive in 1939 and Germany defated by 1940, it would not have happened even after Munich) So, the only way in which Munich and what went on there can be blamed for the Holocaust is if you can argue that only because of appeasement did the Germans gain victory in 1939-41 over the armies of their enemies and gain the allies they gained.

Oh, and something extra for the Francophobes: you guys keep saying that the French are cowards and never fight: obviosuly then, it does not matter when the war in europe begun, since it is a given to expect French defeat, NO? and thus, even without appeasement the Germans would have taken over most of Europe until the US and USSR joined the war to defeat them (if that happened at all), or is this not an obvious conclusion to draw form the "French are cowards" line fo thinking so prevelant among some circles here?

DanS · March 22, 2003, 22:56

Conscription = slavery?

Traianvs · March 22, 2003, 23:09

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Conscription = slavery?

Yes, it is something you have to do against your will, if you desert (=flee) you get shot (when waging war anyway)
you have no rights, you may only obay
Also you have to do the dirty jobs, so basicly you are the cannon fodder, you are usually quite expendable (a war always involves a few losses, just like every now and then a slave, in certain circumstances anyway, succumbs to the work he has to do)

Happy now?