March 26, 2003, 07:38
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But they're not free... I'm still 350 or so on-topic posts short...
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March 26, 2003, 07:54
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you are always free to think of the offending poster as a total jerk. 
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I couldn't agree more. 
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March 26, 2003, 11:36
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In all honesty, I hadn't even noticed what was going on in Maniac's avatar. While I agree with Mr. President and find such rather offensive in our own county, people in other nations have a right to have an opinion of our country, no matter how extreme, as long as they don't act on those impulses.
From my readings of Maniac's posts, while he may disapprove of American political outcomes at the current time, he has yet to be rude or in any other way hostile to me, and we both participate in the AC DG. So if he's hostile to somebody, it's not because of their country of orgin.
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March 26, 2003, 11:48
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Indeed. For example I'm friendly against lucky22, an American, but can get into hostile debates against Archaic, a libertarian New Zealander.
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March 26, 2003, 15:49
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Maniacs avatar is fine by me as an expression of free speech. It's obvious that he's carefully considered the pros and cons of doing using such an avatar and after thoughtful reflection has chosen to use it. He understands that such expressions of free speech may be offensive to some people and may incite acts of violence towards him. Obviously, he's willing to live with the consequences of his position and I salute his bravery. Hopefully, he will journey to the USA in order to discuss his opinions on this matter in a more personal manner than through a PC.
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March 26, 2003, 16:53
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Hopefully, he will journey to the USA in order to discuss his opinions on this matter in a more personal manner than through a PC.
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 Is that an attempt to lure me to the USA, and lynch me the minute I arrive? 
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March 26, 2003, 21:12
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We don't lynch people anymore. It's more likely to be a drive by shooting......
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March 26, 2003, 23:24
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I'm surprised people are complaining about that avatar instead of mine.
At least mine has an American flag burning, not one thats ABOUT to be burned
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March 26, 2003, 23:57
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I'm surprised people aren't complaining about your location field
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March 27, 2003, 00:13
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*Submits complaint*
Just to make you and Tass feel a little more comfortable.
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March 27, 2003, 01:26
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Frankly, big green cartoon lizards wearing sneakers offend me just as much as a picture of someone burning a flag.
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I seriously hope that wasn't a cheap shot aimed at Godzilla.
If it were such there would be blood between us.
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March 27, 2003, 05:36
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Frankly, big green cartoon lizards wearing sneakers offend me just as much as a picture of someone burning a flag.
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Why?
I guess I could always fight fire with fire (no pun intended) and look for a picture of a burning French or Russian flag.
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March 27, 2003, 06:21
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I guess I could always fight fire with fire (no pun intended) and look for a picture of a burning French or Russian flag.
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The effect wouldn't be as strong...us Euros know better then to get attached to a silly piece of cloth
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March 27, 2003, 07:31
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You Euros just don't understand the true meaning of flags!
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March 27, 2003, 07:36
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Meanwhile, in the 19th century....
British Officer - Do you have a flag?
Indian Guy - We don't need a flag - we live here! There's 500 million of us!
British Officer - No flag, no country! You can't have one! Those are the rules that ... I've just made up.
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March 27, 2003, 07:38
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Umm, they keep you warm? They promote nationalism? They give young men something symbolic to throw away their lives for? They are useful when justifying killing the citizens of another country.
Sure us Euros understand the true meaning of flags. That's why we don't care if you burn them.
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March 27, 2003, 07:46
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Hey, I'm trying to take this lightly like someone on page 2 suggested. Don't push it.
Seriously. MarkG's temper is a glacier. Mine is a tripwire.
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March 27, 2003, 07:51
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March 27, 2003, 09:05
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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
I'm surprised people are complaining about that avatar instead of mine.
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Jealous? 
Edit: After some furter consideration, I'd like to rephrase a sentence of mine:
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As -Jrabbit says, this avatar is a representation of some of my beliefs, as I don't like the current American political-economic-social-ethical-cultural system,
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the current mainstream American political-economic-ideological system
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That sentence was kind of bugging me. I wouldn't want people to see me as someone thinking in black and white.
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March 27, 2003, 09:46
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This puzzles me.
Ming's location is Mingapulco. Well, I thought that it was the location for the banned, who have no means to post in these forums. Is this a bug?
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March 27, 2003, 12:14
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This puzzles me.
Ming's location is Mingapulco. Well, I thought that it was the location for the banned, who have no means to post in these forums. Is this a bug?
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Ming's the owner and operator of Mingapulco of course 
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March 27, 2003, 12:19
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Its a not-for-profit company too. Ming is very charitable.
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March 27, 2003, 12:52
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March 27, 2003, 14:02
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March 27, 2003, 14:28
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Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
Meanwhile, in the 19th century....
British Officer - Do you have a flag?
Indian Guy - We don't need a flag - we live here! There's 500 million of us!
British Officer - No flag, no country! You can't have one! Those are the rules that ... I've just made up.
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Damn you, I wanted to do this routine... 
Still cracks me up this one...
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March 27, 2003, 15:01
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You Euros just don't understand the true meaning of flags!
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After 2 world wars, invading our countries tons of times and having 20~30 official languages... Yep
For example, Alsace, Loraine and Säarland nowadays don't know if the local language is german or french because they have been invaded a lot of times, and somebody is saying that they speak a new language ( ).
We know BY FAR what mean a flag, and we don't want to relate our emotions to some nice colors.
So, I agree with the free avatar theme (except for the Mingcode of rules).
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March 27, 2003, 16:10
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There are always going to be differences of opinions... and in most cases, people are welcome to their opinions.
On rare occasion we have asked somebody to change their avatar...
If it bothers you... do alva and Rasbelin suggest...
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hey, i got banned for several avatars that offened people, Ming.
how are you drawing this line anyway? are you going to say something to the effect of "burning flags isn't intended to offend people" ? that image is used as an appeal to indignation, dragging any flag waving american into the debate in an angered state.
a burning flag is a sign of hate. perhaps not as much as a swastika, the SS logo, or the White Power logos (KKK Red blood drop, etc) but a sign of hate none the less.
the US allows anyone to wear such signs, and they allow people to burn flags. how are you to draw another line such as this?
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March 27, 2003, 16:21
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Originally posted by aaglo
This puzzles me.
Ming's location is Mingapulco. Well, I thought that it was the location for the banned, who have no means to post in these forums. Is this a bug?
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Ming stays in Mingapulco and has his agents kidnap other Apolytoners, then drags them to his lair for torture.
Whoa guys, some ppl are getting really angry at this. I say that everyone should calm down and take what other ppl say with a grain of salt.
(Although i'm one to talk....... 
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March 27, 2003, 16:22
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It's all a matter of opinion... There are no clear rules, just a feeling. A burning flag is considered a political statement, not a symbol of hate. You are welcome to disagree with that... but that's my opinion.
You are one of the few people that have been asked to change yours... so it is indeed a rare event considering the many different avatars here
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March 27, 2003, 16:32
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It's all a matter of opinion... There are no clear rules, just a feeling. A burning flag is considered a political statement, not a symbol of hate. You are welcome to disagree with that... but that's my opinion.
You are one of the few people that have been asked to change yours... so it is indeed a rare event considering the many different avatars here
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what if, hypothetically, i wish to deliever the "political statement" that the white race is superior. All the "others" could just disagree with it, no?
: sigh : me and my avatars 
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