Apolyton Roll Call - Page 3

Anodyne · March 25, 2003, 10:04

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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
...but now I have the opinion, that all parties without exception consist of 99.9% liars and power greedy jerks. This opinion is not limited to my home country.

I could say the same thing.

But hell, this is Apolyton, so I might just get on with the game

lunger75 · March 25, 2003, 10:20

Libertarian Democratic Socialist

Nubclear · March 25, 2003, 15:09

I'm noticing a tendency of the poly rightwing to put independant instead of republican.....

Inverse Icarus · March 25, 2003, 15:38

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Yep, its another one of those "Which political party are you in?" except this time I think we should list names. Here we go:

If you have predominately conservative ideals, vote republican. Liberal? Democratic. Very very liberal? Communist. So liberal it becomes conservative? Peoples Banana Party.

I've stated my ( odd ) position many times. I'm a Conservative Communist (Right Wing Commie).

I'm liberal on economic issues, conservative on social ones.

that technically makes me a "Populist" in American party terminology, but thats a stupid name

i'll abstain.

Kontiki · March 25, 2003, 15:51

On a global political spectrum, I'm pretty centrist, but I don't know what I'd vote if I were an American, given the decidedly right-wing skew of both major US parties. I'd probably vote Democrat, but it would depend on the candidate.

nationalist · March 25, 2003, 16:10

I am far right on social issues, moderately left on economic issues.

I am a registered independant. I voted for Buchanan last election, and won't vote in this election unless someone else with his sort of views runs for President (even though I know that they will lose) I would like to start a new American Nationalist Party sometime in the future.

nationalist · March 25, 2003, 16:17

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
I'm noticing a tendency of the poly rightwing to put independant instead of republican.....

In the U.S., both parties are "Liberal" not in the left or right sense, but in the political lexicon. The Democratic is a slightly left leaning liberal party, republicans are a slightly right leaning liberal party. They are "Liberal" in their economic beliefs and their fundamental beliefs in the way that democracy should work. The Green party is our furthest left party.

Being a Republican doesn't mean that you have right wing social beliefs, and having right wing social beliefs doesn't make you Republican. Many Republicans don't give a damn about social policies, they only care about free trade.

Spiffor · March 25, 2003, 16:20

Isn't the Republican party opposed to abortion, and in favour of more spirituality, incl. at school ? To me, it ranges immediately within the veeeery right / far right social beliefs.

nationalist · March 25, 2003, 16:34

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Originally posted by Spiffor
Isn't the Republican party opposed to abortion, and in favour of more spirituality, incl. at school ? To me, it ranges immediately within the veeeery right / far right social beliefs.

It depends. Some Republicans are, some are very much opposed. What Europeans don't understand is that the structure of our particular democracy, most significantly its voting representation allocation (First past the post rather than proportional representation) American parties have very broad and shallow political platforms. Since there are two parties supposedly representing all voters, those parties cannot be very ideological. As a result both parties are very diverse.

There are some socially liberal Republicans and some socially very conservative Republicans, and the parties often have internal disputes. There are VERY few votes in Congress that follow party lines. Democrats often vote with Republicans, Republicans often vote with Democrats. There is very little party discipline in American political parties, becasue people are voted for personally by district in American elections, as opposed to nominated by party lists as in the case of Parliamentary Democracy. The only thing that a Texas Republican and a Massasschussettes Republican have in common is the name "Republican". This isn't very satisfying for ideological American voters, because neither party really stands for anything. The common theme with Republicans is that they are pro Laissez-faire economics.

orange · March 25, 2003, 16:34

Put me down for Democratic Socialists, or if you don't want to start up a whole new category, Greens.

Ming · March 25, 2003, 16:36

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
I'm noticing a tendency of the poly rightwing to put independant instead of republican.....

Personally, I have always described my political POV as a republican with liberal and libertarian leanings...
That's a discription of my views, but not a discripition of my party affiliation. I vote for whomever best supports the positions I have

Imran Siddiqui · March 25, 2003, 16:41

Republican with libertarian leanings. Or Libertarian with republican leanings

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August Borms · March 25, 2003, 16:45

Is Pat Buchanan religous? If he isn't, I support him.

Brizey · March 25, 2003, 16:45

nationalist: good explanation. I have had the same discussion with others who do not understand the American parties.

I vote Republican in general. I tend to lean more towards Libertarian, but do not vote for them (dang two party crap).

I voted for Bush. For what it is worth, I do not think things would be much different if Gore would have won, except we would have a less experienced administration in terms of war in the middle east. And the war would have happened a few months from now. Why? The democrats need to try to win back at least one part of congress. 65-70% of Americans support the war.

Spiffor · March 25, 2003, 16:45

Thx for the info Nationalist.
I knew the 2 broad parties didn't have strong ideologies, and have a bad party discipline. However, I thought anti-abortionism and spirituality were unifying factors of the Republican party too. Thx for correcting me

Lonestar · March 25, 2003, 16:50

Republican.

Ming · March 25, 2003, 16:51

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Republican with libertarian leanings. Or Libertarian with republican leanings

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More Republican than libertarian... or liberal.

But it's impossible to call myself a Republican with their silly stances on abortion and other social issues.

I am more conservative than liberal. When I was young, it was the other way around

Boris Godunov · March 25, 2003, 16:51

Registered Democrat, but sometimes they're too conservative for my tastes.

Imran Siddiqui · March 25, 2003, 16:58

Ming, I was actually describing me

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Frankychan · March 25, 2003, 16:58

I'm a socialist thinker

....but I'm a registered Democrat.

Although I'm a little conservative on social issues.

Frankychan · March 25, 2003, 17:01

But since the Democrat's are the more "socialist" party in America, I vote Democrat every time...(except this past year's governor's race)

The Democrats in Hawaii act more like mainland Republican's for my taste. They've lost the sense of who they are supposed to represent.

Lonestar · March 25, 2003, 17:04

Commie Hivian.

Frankychan · March 25, 2003, 17:07

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Originally posted by Lonestar
Commie Hivian.

I still love America dammit.

Glad to see your still kicking Lonestar.

Boris Godunov · March 25, 2003, 17:09

How can a Socialist be conservative on social issues?

Ming · March 25, 2003, 17:11

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Ming, I was actually describing me

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just another senior moment

Frankychan · March 25, 2003, 17:15

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
How can a Socialist be conservative on social issues?

examples that I have seen.

Artists create "works-of-art" that are obviously distasteful and only invoke revulsion. These same artists hide behind "free speech" to cover their a** and basically do whatever they want to do.

I could take a dump in a jar and leave it on display and call it "art". That isn't art...the 'Mona Lisa' is art.

Boris Godunov · March 25, 2003, 17:19

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Originally posted by Frankychan

examples that I have seen.

Artists create "works-of-art" that are obviously distasteful and only invoke revulsion. These same artists hide behind "free speech" to cover their a** and basically do whatever they want to do.

I could take a dump in a jar and leave it on display and call it "art". That isn't art...the 'Mona Lisa' is art.

But that how does that translate into a practical (for lack of better word) political belief? Would you advocate censorship of such art? If so, who would be the people deciding what is valid art and what is not? Why is wanting to invoke revulsion not a valid artistic expression?

IMO, a lot of the furor of some art exhibits have been a lot of squawking over nothing, such as the Brooklyn Museum exhibits that got so much attention a couple of years ago.

Imran Siddiqui · March 25, 2003, 17:23

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How can a Socialist be conservative on social issues?

Boris, the Populist Parties of the 1890s (the Granger Movement) was just about socialist economically, but were conservative socially (all into the Bible).

Frankychan · March 25, 2003, 17:26

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov

But that how does that translate into a practical (for lack of better word) political belief? Would you advocate censorship of such art? If so, who would be the people deciding what is valid art and what is not? Why is wanting to invoke revulsion not a valid artistic expression?

IMO, a lot of the furor of some art exhibits have been a lot of squawking over nothing, such as the Brooklyn Museum exhibits that got so much attention a couple of years ago.

Well....I would advocate for personal responibility in lack-of-censorship. Just because "You Can" doesn't necessarily translate to "I Must". People should be more responsible in their actions. I would, however, NOT push for MUSEUM'S in banning art because IMHO museums are places where ALL art should be held. My main gripe is public display art outside of museums.

Other than people's misconception of "free speech", I don't have that much of a problem.

jdd2007 · March 25, 2003, 17:54

il vote democrat when i turn 18...