The Belorussian Front HQ - (Darius)

Colwyn · March 31, 2003, 17:45

2nd June 1941

Brest-Litovsk, Minsk, Bialystok, Vitebsk are my primary towns with backup from Smolensk, Bryansk, Kaluga, Tula, Moscow, Kalin and Gorkiy.

Hah the facist horde are weak we have more guns, tanks, planes, men and the communist ideal.

Colwyn · March 31, 2003, 18:17

And just look at what our Armourments Industry is producing.

This is a train on its way to Minsk.

greeny · March 31, 2003, 19:02

The best I have done on this front is to still hold Smolensk (just) when winter hits, halting the Axis advance. This took a huge commitment of recourses and troops, incuding artillery to take out all the tanks massed around the city, as well as loads of defensive troops. It was worth it in my game however as it put me in avery good position for the winter offensive and it enabled me to keep Smolensk and therefore Moscow safe for the rest of the game.

EZRhino · April 1, 2003, 03:45

Dont forget Vitebsk

Colwyn · April 1, 2003, 03:52

to hold, huh maybe you will all let me have some reinforcements then.

Vietbsk? have you been successfull in the past with this city?

Don't forget we are playing MGE not FW the RF plays very differently b/w these versions!

Shaka Naldur · April 1, 2003, 07:50

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Originally posted by Colwyn
to hold, huh maybe you will all let me have some reinforcements then.

Vietbsk? have you been successfull in the past with this city?

Don't forget we are playing MGE not FW the RF plays very differently b/w these versions!

I was able to defend Vitebsk without lots of problem
I pillage a road in the "highway" from vilnius to vitebsk and I also the pillage the fortress and the road in the same square,
it was harder to defend smolensk than vitebsk

H Tower · April 1, 2003, 08:16

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Originally posted by Shaka Naldur
I also the pillage the fortress and the road in the same square,
it was harder to defend smolensk than vitebsk

pillaging of fortresses is also not allowed, it's supposed to mess up events or something like that

Shaka Naldur · April 1, 2003, 08:19

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Originally posted by H Tower

pillaging of fortresses is also not allowed, it's supposed to mess up events or something like that

man

didn't know it was important in red front, usually i pillage the fortress but well...

our_man · April 1, 2003, 10:32

Holding both Vitebsk and Smolensk is tricky, but definitely possible. Obviously its crucial to get reinforcements there - I take all the NKVD and AA batteries out of Moscow and move them up. Using the Labor Brigades from Moscow together with cover provided by a bomber I build a minefield and pillage the road in the gap within the forest between Minsk and Smolensk (it's the square with the fortress in it).

As it takes lots of movement points to cross forests and minefields, this really slowed the German advance out of Minsk down for me. All you have to do is watch out for those pesky SS troopers (all as road) and Stukas...

Shaka Naldur · April 1, 2003, 12:10

but in my opinion is basic to defend both cities, if one of them fall the germans will attack moscow, and then you'll have the axis will get too far

CannonFodder · April 1, 2003, 16:18

Smolensk and Vitebsk would be nice, but we need to decide what fronts we're going to concentrate on before we try to defend both.

greeny · April 1, 2003, 16:29

Front Priorities would be a desision for the Marshall.
However I would suggest that we proritise the Belorussian front in 1941 so we can stop them short of Moscow (in Smolensk and Vitebsk), with careful unit management Leningrad should be able to hold out without much support. While the Southern front had plenty of land to trade for time before the key cities of Rostov and Stalingrad are reached.

In 1942 the focus will switch to the southern front to defend aginst operation Blue (push towards Staingrad)

EZRhino · April 1, 2003, 17:31

The cities are right next to each other Cannon-fodder. The thing is, the AI generally bypasses Vitebsk and instead goes right through Smolensk on its way to Moscow.

Colwyn · April 1, 2003, 23:02

About 10% of the time I can hold this cities outside moscow and thats playing with the same rules we have here.

No pillaging fortress's (if you had and been successfull) then this game is going to be different.

No playing phantom turn (this is the biggy as if you do you can reinforce most fronts with 3-6 good units, these we will not have.

Still think it will be a easy thing to have smolensk/vietsbsk in soviet hands?

Let me know if you have played with our rules and what success's you got.

EZRhino · April 1, 2003, 23:54

With a little luck, mass AA and KV-1s will hold those cities without excessive amounts of loading.

Edit: But I agree, it is much less risky to try to hold them at Moscow instead.

Colwyn · April 2, 2003, 00:30

I think however that the enemy will be at the gates to moscow before the KV1's come around as we effectivly lost a turn in the phantom move and the facists are at Minsk already.

However if the armourments minster can provide then defend further up I will.

EZRhino · April 2, 2003, 02:07

It is not unusual to lose Minsk on the first turn. As long as we have Mobile Warfare II by August, we should be fine.

curtsibling · April 2, 2003, 07:57

My commander, you shall have the best! As soon as I can create it!
I shall concentrate on KV1s as soon as I have the new factories ready and re-tooled!

Shaka Naldur · April 2, 2003, 13:09

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Originally posted by Colwyn
About 10% of the time I can hold this cities outside moscow and thats playing with the same rules we have here.

No pillaging fortress's (if you had and been successfull) then this game is going to be different.

No playing phantom turn (this is the biggy as if you do you can reinforce most fronts with 3-6 good units, these we will not have.

Still think it will be a easy thing to have smolensk/vietsbsk in soviet hands?

Let me know if you have played with our rules and what success's you got.

so your suggestions is to have a defensive line at moscow?
what about kaluga?
well, if you have played the game I'll agree with you

I have to recogn that I did the UK airlift cheat so i had more money than we are going to have

Colwyn · April 2, 2003, 19:10

I have listened to you all my faithful soviets, and I have decided that i will try to bottle neck the aproach of the Panzer Group 2 by

"building a minefield with the moscow labor brigades and pillageling the road in the gap within the forest between Minsk and Smolensk and using 2 Pe bombers as support"

This will leave moscow a little weak for a month of two but I have much confidence that the Marshall and the minsters of armourments will reinforce our capital using tanks and mech inf from various other places which can move fast in summer which will be more than enough until 2 Kv1's are airlifted to moscow/gorkiy.

If we can also get some T-28's to moscow we can retool them at the start of winter.

My commanders are all itching to open fire on the facists once the marhsal gets the order from stalin to attack.

Colwyn · April 3, 2003, 23:43

You can call my HQ on Yahoo messenger @ belorussianFrontHQ.

I'm often at my desk doing paper work, battle plans etc.

Colwyn · April 4, 2003, 02:45

Stripped sewers and waterworks to help with the economy.

Red army t-26's destroyed 2 PzkwIII's near vietbsk and pillaged the aproaches to vietbsk.

Brest fortress destroyed various SS units and dislodged some divisions sheltering in Brest city.

Moved some quality units to Minsk to slow down the germans, possibly allowing the PE2 to provide bomber cover to the region if minsk hangs on.

45mm AT ambushed a scout Panzergrandier near minsk.
first german captives of the war.

Colwyn · April 4, 2003, 02:47

Odds for Minsk with so much german armour? WHere are all our promised tanks cries the soviet tankers still in t-26's or worse.

Colwyn · April 4, 2003, 02:55

Front line

curtsibling · April 4, 2003, 06:43

Fight with valour, Comrade Colwyn!

You bring great glory to Mother Russia!

Colwyn · April 16, 2003, 02:05

Railroad terminals disbanded in Minsk, Smolensk and Vietbsk for the war effort. Libraries in Kaluga and Tula. approx 500,000 rubles added.

2 PzkwIV Grp2 divisions destroyed around the suburbs of minsk.

2 Wermach SG divsions slaughted in swamp West of minsk by a I-16 and a Waffen SS in the pripart marshes by another I-16

2 t-26's take out anotehr PzkwIV Grp2 approaching minsk, one destroyed in the battle.

T-34 chases down a defecting soviet anti tank unit and crushes them underfoot.

Machine gun and cavalry unit destroy 2-4 tanks divisons of PZkw III's near minefields near Vitebsk.

Defence set around 2 blocking zones West of smolensk and North of Vitesbk.

Red army units pillage various roads to slow down the panzers.

Reinforcements moving up the front from the east, modern aircraft/tanks sorely needed but not yet in production.

Henrik · April 16, 2003, 03:36

Why not kill that stuka with your infantry?
The AI cheats by leaving stukas in the air (as they have a range of 1 and should crash) but luckily this means that land units can attack them (especially as that one looks like it's hanging over a swamp and is allready wounded...).

Colwyn · April 16, 2003, 07:23

that when you kill some units in summer 41 it just spawns 4 more!

Henrik · April 16, 2003, 10:28

Lol, I didnt know that whent for stukas! :-!

Shaka Naldur · April 16, 2003, 12:04

is that true for stukas?