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Cyclotron · March 31, 2003, 23:16

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I categorically disagree that the girl is within her rights to hit the guy. Women are under the same obligation to restrain themselves from committing acts of violence that men are under. Giving a free pass to physical attacks because of the gender/orientation of the attacker is crap.

In theory, but not in practice. Some feminists I know would argue that because of the oppression of women in the past, they are more entitled to defend themselves against the physically superior enemy, i.e. men. There are quite a few feminists who believe that passive treatment of such advances, rather than such direct confrontation, encourages rape and violence towards women.

IMO, it's all BS, but it is also holy writ for many PC supporters.

Agathon · March 31, 2003, 23:20

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Originally posted by cyclotron7

In theory, but not in practice. Some feminists I know would argue that because of the oppression of women in the past, they are more entitled to defend themselves against the physically superior enemy, i.e. men. There are quite a few feminists who believe that passive treatment of such advances, rather than such direct confrontation, encourages rape and violence towards women.

IMO, it's all BS, but it is also holy writ for many PC supporters.

It's BS because it treats a criminal issue (the delinquent behaviour of a small minority of men) as a class issue which is to be rectified by comparative means. Men as a group somehow "owe" women as a group the right to use violence against them because of the actions of a few men. Jailing innocent men doesn't magically atone for the rapes of innocent women - that's like saying the Australians are justified in murdering New Zealand children if a NZ child murderer strikes in Australia.

Pekka · March 31, 2003, 23:21

If I were you, I'd just apologize the guy for doing that, but not asking him for anything back. That way he feels you're honest about being sorry, and might not press those charges.. You are honestly sorry, right?

And if he won't let it go, just tell them that you felt uncomfortable and reacted in a bad way that you are very sorry for, and you volunteer to seek help, talk to some shrinks or so, or anger managment or something like that. You might not need treatment, but it would help you to get the lowest punishment if you get one. But if you try to counter attack... I smell only trouble.

Six Thousand Year Old Man · March 31, 2003, 23:37

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Originally posted by red_jon
The guy came on when it was clear he wasn't wanted, which is obviously wrong - however, your response was WAY out of line. I hope you're given the punishment you deserve

...pretty much says it all, except: Do you punch out girls who ask you out, if you're not attracted to them?

Pekka · March 31, 2003, 23:40

Or you can say he hit your hand violently with his face..

Ozz · March 31, 2003, 23:54

Guy got just what he deserved, I hope you bashed him
good and hard, if it's going to cause you legal trouble.

Save the no voilence, homophobe crap, the gut was a
horny JERK, and got what most JERKS need, a punch
in the head.

Should have puked on him instead, from a PC legal
standpoint.

notyoueither · March 31, 2003, 23:59

I see you're not done trolling. You'll most likely get some bites this time.

Cyclotron · April 1, 2003, 00:18

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Originally posted by Pekka
Or you can say he hit your hand violently with his face..

Somehow, I don't think that would fly...

Skanky Burns · April 1, 2003, 00:27

NYE: You forgot to rate it. I wouldn't go above 0.1/10

Zero · April 1, 2003, 00:39

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Originally posted by Pekka
Or you can say he hit your hand violently with his face..

LOL I used to play that game with my sister! We used to play this game of "I hit you last I win" game. Whenever she hit me on the knee to try end the game I would either say, "No, I hit YOU on the hand with MY knee" or "No I blocked it with my knee".. ahhh good times.

Urban Ranger · April 1, 2003, 00:39

Spin it this way: you didn't punch him because he was homosexual, you punched him because he grabbed you.

Ben Kenobi · April 1, 2003, 00:47

Apologise first, see if you can't get this fellow to drop the charges.

Then threaten to counter-sue for sexual harrassment.

Say that he approached you inappropriately which should be corroborated by the testimony given that he is flamboyently gay.

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Should have puked on him instead, from a PC legal
standpoint.

What's the definition of assault?

Shi Huangdi · April 1, 2003, 00:48

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov

I categorically disagree that the girl is within her rights to hit the guy. Women are under the same obligation to restrain themselves from committing acts of violence that men are under. Giving a free pass to physical attacks because of the gender/orientation of the attacker is crap.

Morally speaking you are right, but in our society the girl probably would get away with it.

nationalist · April 1, 2003, 01:00

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Originally posted by UberKruX
who I've known to a limited degree, was in my group... Anyway, the class ended, and everyone got up to leave, and Chad goes up to me and asks me out. I say, as politely as possible, "oh, dude, i'm not gay".

then he takes my left hand and says "are you sure?" with this innuendo filled look on his face.

apparently the kid is a big player in the schools "Pride Alliance", the gay club on campus. double ugh.

Hey, that's why people shouldn't go up and grap other people they don't know very well. Maybe you shouldn't have hit him, but the fact is, he violated your personal space after you told him no. Maybe he was kidding, but maybe not. If he didn't know you, then he had no right to touch you, even if he was just kidding. He didn't know how you would react; he overstepped his bounds. If you touched a girl without her consent, you'd be in deep trouble. Why shouldn't this gay kid be included in the "no means no" club.

I don't see what you did as wrong. It may have been excessive, but it seems to be as much of an impulse as anything else. If he sicks his gay Nazis on you, I'd say fight back. Start your own "pride club". protest gay rallys, etc. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean that they should be politically immune from an ass kicking. This guy overstepped his boundries and got what was coming to him.

Ozz · April 1, 2003, 01:27

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Originally posted by notyoueither
I see you're not done trolling. You'll most likely get some bites this time.

Still got that cactus stuck up yer arse, eh

What a dweeb

Ozz · April 1, 2003, 01:33

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Originally posted by obiwan18
What's the definition of assault?

Involuntry reaction as opposed to voluntery. Puke sneeze or cough aren't assualt.

Go for trial by jury, and pick workin' men, not wimps.

They won't guiltly you, regardless of what the judge
says.

nationalist · April 1, 2003, 01:41

dp

The Emperor Fabulous · April 1, 2003, 01:42

I hope you get it up the ass

Pardon the pun

And hey, maybe he's right...are you absolutely SURE?

Jaguar · April 1, 2003, 01:42

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Spin it this way: you didn't punch him because he was homosexual, you punched him because he grabbed you.

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Spin it this way: you didn't punch him because he was homosexual, you punched him because he grabbed you.

Very important. I will quote it twice to emphasize.

I hear MrFun coming...

Drake Tungsten · April 1, 2003, 01:50

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I hear MrFun coming...

I'm betting it won't be humorous...

Asher · April 1, 2003, 01:51

He won't find this thread unless somebody points it out to him, I'd think.

If it had a more descriptive title, he'd be here in no time...

nationalist · April 1, 2003, 01:51

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

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I hear MrFun coming...

I'm betting it won't be humorous...

I bet it will be. He makes me laugh, even though he doesn't mean to.

korn469 · April 1, 2003, 01:53

well i think it's obvious you assaulted him when you shouldn't and hopefully you will learn and grow from this, but being nailed on hate crime charges is BS in my opinion, they should punish you for what you did, nothing more nothing less

i hope it works out for you uber! good luck

Shi Huangdi · April 1, 2003, 01:59

By the way, I will say what Uber did here was horrible. What the guy did grabbing his hand was unacceptable, but he took it way too far beyond that and instigated violence without proper cause to do so. And for that he deserves to go to jail. His uni will punish him, but probably not strictly enough.

Jaguar · April 1, 2003, 02:03

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Originally posted by Asher
He won't find this thread unless somebody points it out to him, I'd think.

He probably uses search function daily to search for "gay." Trust me, he'll find his way here.

Asher · April 1, 2003, 02:04

"gay" is too small to search for, I believe.

Jaguar · April 1, 2003, 02:06

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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
By the way, I will say what Uber did here was horrible. What the guy did grabbing his hand was unacceptable, but he took it way too far beyond that and instigated violence without proper cause to do so. And for that he deserves to go to jail. His uni will punish him, but probably not strictly enough.

He punched someone once. I am willing to bet that you have punched someone before.

The two forum members who previously had "Dragon" in their names disagree for the first time that I know of!

Jaguar · April 1, 2003, 02:07

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Originally posted by Asher
"gay" is too small to search for, I believe.

****in nitpicker!
Fine. He searches for "homosexual."

korn469 · April 1, 2003, 02:19

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And for that he deserves to go to jail.

i don't think he needs to goto jail for this, i'm assuming (possibly quite wrongly) that uber has a clean record and this is the first time that anything like this has happened

it sounds like uber is an admitted bigot, but big deal, he committed simple assault, nothing more nothing less. he shouldn't recieve harsher punishment for being a bigot. he's entitled to an opinion, and he shouldn't recieve extra punishment for having one.

though uber if you read this, i hope you think twice about being a homophobe, simply because i'm sure that other situations could arise in your life similar to this, and if you respond in a hasty way like you did on this occasion the outcome won't be good for you. i doubt the guy was going to hurt you, or harress you anymore, and if you had of responded to it in a different way you would have saved yourself quite a bit of trouble

i hope you don't get expelled

notyoueither · April 1, 2003, 02:28

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Originally posted by Ozz

Still got that cactus stuck up yer arse, eh

What a dweeb

Come on, dear. You can do better than that.