Well, it finally happened... - Page 4

Shi Huangdi · April 1, 2003, 02:40

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He punched someone once. I am willing to bet that you have punched someone before.

The two forum members who previously had "Dragon" in their names disagree for the first time that I know of! "

Ah, my apolyton memory has gone, who had Dragon in his name?

Ya, I've hit people before back when I was in school. The key thing is however that UberKrux is an adult, at which point violence becomes alot more serious matter. I have never attacked someone as an adult. He comitted a violent act against someone, he did not have justification for it, he deserves jail time.

Asher · April 1, 2003, 02:44

I don't think Uber deserves jailtime.

This was clearly a crime of passion.

Seriously though, it's not like Uber thought "I'm going to hit this guy" and decked him, it was more or less a "natural" defense mechanism that many people have when they feel threatened.

I'm not going to go into why Uber felt threatened, because that could get nasty.

I think Uber could open his mind and not be offensive as possible as often as possible (I seem to recall previous threads where he talked about his friends and how they all behave together).

It's no fun living life with a narrow mind and protesting those who are different.

Loif · April 1, 2003, 03:07

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Originally posted by notyoueither

Come on, dear. You can do better than that.

By the looks of things NYE, I don't think he can.

Inverse Icarus · April 1, 2003, 03:55

jesus ****, this thread sure did explode while i was out.

well, let's try to address as many things as i can at 3am.
[list=1][*]I talked to my uncle who talked to some of hos lawyer friends, they basically told me everyhting you told me, common sense, keep quiet and apologize. I'm sure i'll do that.[*]I am not totally a homophobe. infact, i have several gay friends, i've worked with gay people, my calc TA was gay last semester. I have no problem with who you choose to show affection to. It's when it's shoved in my face when I freak out. Not even sexual advances such as this (but believe me, this took me completely by suprise) but even public displays of affection. I'm not too fond of ANYONE (straight / gay) going at it in public, but gays just make my gut wrench when i see it. I have no problem with whatever you do in your life, I'd just like it better if you didn't present it to me. I understand you have a right to be proud of who you are, i understand you might want to screm it from the rooftops. i understand. but i'm being honest here.[*]This school is big on tolerance programs. I'm damn sure i'm going to end up in one, and i'm damn sure it's not going to do anything to help me at all, no matter how open minded i am walking in.[*]I did sock him good ozz

.01/10[*]re the irony of me exiting methods of reasoning. yea, kinda funny, but i didnt exactly sit there and go "he has grasped my hand, how do i respond? i should coldly take my hand away and walk away the bigger man here". no. it was more like "i'm not gay, WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING? POW!".[*]was it right? no. is assault ever justified? no. do i regret what i did? no. I know i'm wrong, I know i'm not the victim, but i feel NO remorse for this. he can go to hell for all i care.[*]i did not know he was gay beforehand, but i did have assumptions.[*]He isn't the head honcho of the "Pride Alliance", infact he's not really in the "government" of it, he's just a lead organizer. He orginized the "Homo Hop" last semester (i sh*t you not, thats what they called it), which was a Dance to raise money for AIDS education.[*]ugh. this isn't going to make the 4 tests this week any easier.[/list=1]

Shi Huangdi · April 1, 2003, 04:10

"no. I know i'm wrong, I know i'm not the victim, but i feel NO remorse for this. he can go to hell for all i care."

But why not? You hurt another person without the justification to do so.

Asher · April 1, 2003, 04:19

Quote:

He orginized the "Homo Hop" last semester (i sh*t you not, thats what they called it)

They call it the "Gender Bender" here.

Skanky Burns · April 1, 2003, 04:57

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Originally posted by Asher

They call it the "Gender Bender" here.

They call my friend's mother that too.

But thats another story.

red_jon · April 1, 2003, 07:51

OK, I've lost all sympathy for Uber after that post.

I hope the university throws the book at you, and if you ask me they probably will

And it may be oversaid, but I have actually found a large number of homophobes to be gay themselves. Maybe you have some cupboard cleaning to do...

Richard Bruns · April 1, 2003, 08:33

Hey UberKruX, I have one more piece of advice:

Never hit anybody in the face. Skull and jaw bones are quite hard, and can easily damage your hand. Also, human teeeth are incredubly septic, and you could have gotten an infection if one had broken your skin.

You should have aimed for the neck. That way you get a lot more stopping power and less risk of collateral damage.

This is a joke. Obviously I do not condone hitting people. If you were about to respond angrily, consider yourself an APRIL FOOL. :-p :-)

Messer Niccolò · April 1, 2003, 08:51

LOL this makes me laugh!!!

C'mon go to him and say "I'm sorry". Shake his hand (please avoid sexual harassment

) and everything should be forgot.
naaaah, I can believe a charge has been opened on you and you have to contact a lawyer just for a little punch...
Ohhh my!

Now I understand why in US lawyers rule!!!

C0ckney · April 1, 2003, 08:51

i would disagree, the nose is nearly always the best target, fairly easy to break and very few guys can get up straight away after having their nose broken

Pekka · April 1, 2003, 08:52

And also risking serious injury to the other guy? Man, why not go straight to the eyes while we're at it? Push them hard in with your both thumbs? Jeesh..

C0ckney · April 1, 2003, 08:56

a broken nose isn't a serious injury

C0ckney · April 1, 2003, 08:57

and besides, i'd imagine you could do a lot more damage to someone's neck than their nose.

Pekka · April 1, 2003, 08:59

C0ckney, yeah, I was referring to the neck thing, not broken nose.

C0ckney · April 1, 2003, 09:04

ah ok, my bad.

Pekka · April 1, 2003, 09:11

HMm,, it could be quite a defense to yell 'I have AIDS! Hit me! Hit me!'

Just came my mind as someone pointed out the possibility of infections if you hit someone.

Cookie Monster · April 1, 2003, 09:32

Maybe we can all learn from this. Sometimes people can get carried away and act during a time of high emotion. We are all guilty of doing things during a period of heated emotion that we regret later. The trick is learning to act after having a chance to calm down. More often than not one will act quite differently when calm.

Good luck Uber, I hope things don't get ugly for you and I hope that you've learned from this. I know that I have. I've never hit anyone unless they hit me first. I've had gay men flirt with me before and even though I'm not gay I consider it as a compliment. If you feel comfortable with yourself you can look at anyone who is coming on to you as a compliment.

True this guy grabbed your hand and violated your space but I know I would have just pulled my hand away and reminded him politely that I wasn't interested. You can always just walk away and let it go......and play Grand Theft Auto Vice City and beat up make believe people and jack their cars and rob stores and, oh sorry got carried away there. The point is find another outlet to release your anger.

chequita guevara · April 1, 2003, 10:04

Someone grabbing your hand isn't necessarily wrong. He could have been trying to be an aggressive male *****. Straights don't have a monopoly on that. He could also have been acting sincerely, and asking Uber if he really was sure.

The dude was picking up on something in Uber's behavior that led him to believe that Uber might be gay. Since many homophobes are afraid of their own sexuality, it could be that Uber isn't sure yet.

Az · April 1, 2003, 10:18

Uber. apologize. why should it concern you? I know that being hit on buy a guy is wierd, and the "are you sure?" was uncalled for, but punching him in the nose?

Alex · April 1, 2003, 10:50

Something similar to this happened to me once. I was in a theater watching "Platoon" (no kidding!) and this guy came and sat beside me. Then he started to ask me things, but I did not notice that he was gay (ok, I was 16 then). Then he asked me if he could hold my hand. I finally noticed that he was gay (doh!) and politely told him: "don't get me wrong, but I'm really not into this gay thing". He just stood up and left. I don't know what I would've done if he asked me "are you sure?", but I'm almost certain that I would not punch him in the face, I'm not a violent person.

Spec · April 1, 2003, 10:58

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Originally posted by Thoth
Have the guy you punched charged with sexual harrasment.

Good! Good answer!

Spec

Daz · April 1, 2003, 11:07

Crap. Where is this world going to...?

The man is right. Sue him before he sues you!

He should know better than grabbing a mans hand

NO means NO.

Cant help it. its so damn funny........

Az · April 1, 2003, 11:21

holy crap, that's an ugly smiley, Daz.

Ozz · April 1, 2003, 11:38

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Originally posted by UberKruX [*]I did sock him good ozz

.01/10

Go for a legal trial, don't let some university gay PC kangaroo court hang a resume smear on you. If you
get off in a court of law, (and with the right jury, you
will) the university can't smear you, if they do, you can sue their ass but good.

BTW as far as I'm concerned, you were assaulted. I
would have decked the F'ck er too.

Donegeal · April 1, 2003, 12:00

All these people here saying what you did is wrong are thinking you hit him because he was gay.

Lets keep the premace the same, but change some of the "details".

Lets say Uber was a girl (come on, I know you want to say it)
And this guy was straight.

He goes up to the Ubergirl (hmmmm...) and says something like "Hey, you wanna go catch a drink in the lounge?"
Ubergirl says "No."
guy grabs Ubergirls hand and says "You sure?"
Ubergirl turns and smacks him.

Who's the victem? In Ubers version, alot of you say the guy. In the example I just gave, the majority of you would probably say the Ubergirl and also say that she was justified in doing this. What is the difference!?!?!?

Sirotnikov · April 1, 2003, 12:09

I also think that both were wrong. Uber over reacted, but the gay guy was obviously stepping over the line.

While I don't approve of what uber has done, I think no means no.

nationalist · April 1, 2003, 12:13

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Originally posted by red_jon
And it may be oversaid, but I have actually found a large number of homophobes to be gay themselves. Maybe you have some cupboard cleaning to do...

Standard gay claim. I highly doubt that that is true. I bet that most straight men are "homophobes" (terrible term) to some extent. Just because you have a prejudice, it doesn't mean that you are fighting against that prejudice inside yourself.

That's the same as claiming that most white racists are actually black deep down inside.

Worthingtons · April 1, 2003, 12:22

Ok, I'll be diplomatic with my language for Asher's sake.

Anyway, the reason why I, and probably so many other's are defending Uber is to do with the fact I know he will be charged for a crime far more serious than it actually was. I can sympathise with Uber because I can imagine the kind of group the other kid belonged to, because some homosexual’s are so conscious about themselves they will go to any length to pass off their behaviour as normal (Yes, I know the flames will come for this, and I'm not saying 'normality' is a goal we should strive for anyway, but homosexuality doesn’t really fit in the normal category) and these such people will go to any length to satisfy their aim. The kid will now seek to make an example out of uber, if they throw the book at uber then the kid will feel that HE is the normal one and that it's acceptable to make advances on other guy's. In a way this is simply enforcing one's ideology on others - something most contradictory lefties make a living out of.

I post on another forum which I run, and there's a guy there who has recently just 'come out' to being bisexual. Instead of desperately trying to pass this off as the norm and condemning non-acceptance he acknowledges the different levels of acceptance in society, and when approaching guys takes a different stance; instead of being direct and arrogantly assuming the other person accepts you're views, seeks to discover their orientation and perceptions towards homosexuality before making an approach, this kind of attitude will help him not only avoid violent rejections but offending other people like uber who need not be approached.

SpencerH · April 1, 2003, 12:23

I think that if you apologise that there is an implicit admonision of guilt unless you phrase it 'just right'. You may be facing civil or criminal charges in the future so you have to decide the value of an apology that may allow you to avoid the repurcussions altogether but which may act against you in court at a later date.

If he grabbed your hand (and there are witnesses to that) you may have a hope of a defense but my advice is to seek real legal advice.