our defensive line

Shaka Naldur · April 1, 2003, 12:15

which cities are we trying to hold?
which one is going to be our defensive line?

i think it is something we should know since the very begining

Shaka Naldur · April 1, 2003, 12:19

this was my defensive line in my last game

greeny · April 1, 2003, 13:49

That looks about right, holding Tallinn in 1941 is doable with naval-infantry and AA batteries being essentail. In my last game I managed to keep Voroshilovgrad but lost Viebsk, neccesitating a brief battle close to Moscow before winter-hit. Holding Perekop would be very useful keeping them out of the Crimea but realisticaly, the best we can hope for is holding it for as long as possible and counterattcking in the winter. If we can hols that line we will be doing very well, especialy since apparently MGE AI is considerably harder than in FW. We will need to heavily defend some cites in front of this line simply to slow the Axis down, NKVD units and when we can build them KV-1s are good for this as they can take-out several German tanks before dieing.

our_man · April 1, 2003, 14:51

I agree with the defensive line in every theatre with the exception of the Ukraine. IMHO we should make an effort to hold Perekop, Gomel, Kharkov, Beograd, Voroshilovgrad and Kursk as well.

Shaka Naldur · April 1, 2003, 15:16

another sugestion

Shaka Naldur · April 1, 2003, 15:17

well, i made a mistake, I don´t think that our man said Stalino
sorry

our_man · April 1, 2003, 15:35

Great job Shaka!

As for Stalino, ah well, there's nothing wrong with being ambitious!

CannonFodder · April 1, 2003, 16:12

I like the idea of trying to hold Perekop, but I don't think it is necessarily the most prudent thing to do. It might be better to fall back to Rostov, Sevastopol, and Kerch. The rest of the front seems doable.

greeny · April 1, 2003, 16:16

I dont mind setting the defensive line here but we must realise that it WILL NOT be possible to hold all those cities, it will just be the cities where we will stand and fight to the last man!

p.s. Shaka! you missed Tallinn!

holding that city should keep Leiningrad safe!

CannonFodder · April 1, 2003, 16:24

Somebody should set up a poll to decide where the front will be.

Shaka Naldur · April 1, 2003, 16:27

I never tried to save tallin, to hold narva is quite easy

greeny · April 1, 2003, 16:36

I would want to try and hold Perekop for as long as possible because if Sevastopol falls it's a b*tch to retake, and if we can hold the crimea it provides a exelent staging point for the winter '42/'43 and winter '43/'42 offensives. Mabe even a grand encirlement! Sevastopol is useful for lauching amphibious landings from also.

H Tower · April 1, 2003, 17:14

i've got a question, what kind of defences should we be leaving behind the front to guard against air attack? someone said moscow is within bomber range already. Do we gut all the rear defences and rush those units to the front?

EZRhino · April 1, 2003, 17:37

If Perekop is captured, events tell the AI to make a full swing invasion of Sevestpol. Those Karls are bastards to destroy in Summer 1942. Easier just to try to hold Perekop, at least till the first winter.

Shaka Naldur · April 1, 2003, 17:42

the Karls can be destroy with the navy at sevastopol,
I don´t know how difficult is going to be to hold perekop,
enough units for perekop, rostov staligrad....

H Tower,
the first line of cities should have at least 2 AA bateries and around 3 KV1 when possible, then it is very easy to hold the city,
the second line must have 1 AA batery, but it is not a good idea to buy them the first summer

EZRhino · April 1, 2003, 18:44

How do you take screenshots?

H Tower · April 1, 2003, 18:53

there is a button on your keyboard that says printscreen, hit that, and then select paste using paint or whatever other grapchis program you have

EZRhino · April 1, 2003, 19:01

Oh, I knew about prnt-scrn but I thought it saved the image to a folder or something. Thanks

EZRhino · April 1, 2003, 19:11

This is what my front typically looks like by winter 1942/43. It doesnt take alot of risks, which is ideal for a demo-game. Mostly about holding the cities on the river Don.

Colwyn · April 1, 2003, 22:38

Remember comrades that we are playing in a game where the marshal will not reload bad end of turns!

We are also playing harder rules where we didn't move units in the phantom round also. Are we comparing apples with apples here... no!

We must also be honest and think how often we may have reloaded in the past to get such a good result.

It is a risk to do some of what you suggested where if we focus on defending Moscow, Lenningrad, stalingrad well first and then apply extra units to forward strongpoints there is less risk.

I have played some games (with our current rules) where germany ended up in kirov by the end of summer 41 by weakening the main don defensive line for cities where the ai sprawns the most.

I agree with Elrino re what we should expect from the commanders

Colwyn · April 1, 2003, 22:45

Quote:

Originally posted by H Tower
i've got a question, what kind of defences should we be leaving behind the front to guard against air attack? someone said moscow is within bomber range already. Do we gut all the rear defences and rush those units to the front?

I was being poetic for historical accuracy, moscow will never be bombed in RF. Moving many units from moscow esp vetran anti aircraft units is critical to the defence of the belorussian front.

Colwyn · April 2, 2003, 01:04

Comrade Paul Hanson after the pillaging of kishenev a group of partisans have hidden out near the mountains. its is imperitive that you sacrifice that unit (are allowed to move partisans in phantom move) asap.

The germans if taking loss's from this unit will rise up in the front and attack us again this turn in repriesal for there loss's.

Make a glorious run towards Berlin, you might make it!

Henrik · April 2, 2003, 08:23

As the commander of the baltic front I can say that I won't try to hold talinn unless specificly ordered to do so.

Paul Hanson · April 2, 2003, 08:58

Personally, I'd like to try and hold Perekop, but the rest of the defensive line should be placed on the River Don, IMHO.

Shaka Naldur · April 2, 2003, 12:59

we should have a defensive line before the front comanders start to move

Narva is very easy to defend and we must try to defend it so the karl's don´t show up
Demyansk is also a city that we must try to defend, if not we'll have german units in the urals and conquering yaroslav
Smolensk and Vitebsk are quite defendable
Perekop is going to be hard but it is not my front

so, we need to agree, do i start a poll with the three options we have??

Henrik · April 2, 2003, 13:13

Surely this would be somewhat up to the independent front comanders?

Shaka Naldur · April 2, 2003, 13:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Henrik
Surely this would be somewhat up to the independent front comanders?

H Tower · April 2, 2003, 13:27

Personally I'd like to see us hold a line of Narva in the north, Smolensk/Vitebesk in the middle, and perekop in the far south. But that's just from what I've seen people talking. What about holding the Germans on the way to Stalingrad? Or do we just hold them there?

Shaka Naldur · April 2, 2003, 13:30

if we pillage a few road squares they will concentrate in Rostov and Vorozneh, that's what had happened in my game

CannonFodder · April 2, 2003, 15:16

Somebody post a poll!!!