What if...

Daz · April 7, 2003, 03:46

What if after the war the US dont find any forbidden weapons? Do they say: "oops, were sorry for invading you by mistake"?
AFAIK, more than half of the country is already captured, and there is still no trace of the weapons of mass destruction.

itsagreenday · April 7, 2003, 03:54

Then a brutal dictator is still gone and 24 million people are free to govern themselves.

Daz · April 7, 2003, 03:59

Yea, yea. I know more good will come out of it than bad. But that WASNT the reason for the war.

And there is plenty of even more ruthless dictators in the world that need to be wasted. You dont wanna get involved into 5 wars per year, do you?

curtsibling · April 7, 2003, 04:03

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Originally posted by itsagreenday
Then a brutal dictator is still gone and 24 million people are free to govern themselves.

And Santa exists too.

I think Iraq will revert into crap in 5 years.

Skanky Burns · April 7, 2003, 04:18

What makes you think the US will even defend the pretext it used to declare war on Iraq?

monkspider · April 7, 2003, 04:23

Oh, do not worry, the USA will find illegal weapons in Iraq, whether they actually exist or not.

itsagreenday · April 7, 2003, 04:25

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And Santa exists too.

curtsibling, is there something non-factual that I said or do you just feel like posting asinine responses?

Tingkai · April 7, 2003, 04:56

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Originally posted by itsagreenday
Then a brutal dictator is still gone and 24 million people are free to govern themselves.

Yeah, they'll be free to govern themselves whenever the US decides they are ready, and as long as they pick a government that obeys the US.

Elden · April 7, 2003, 05:50

They will have more people dead than free.

Since they have no WOMDs the USA will either plant some or admit to lying.

Skanky Burns · April 7, 2003, 06:03

The Iraqi people are already exercising their freedom by having the US choose what US companies help in rebuilding Iraq after the war. They have even kindly offered to pay the philanthropic companies with Iraqi oil.

Urban Ranger · April 7, 2003, 06:17

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Originally posted by itsagreenday
curtsibling, is there something non-factual that I said or do you just feel like posting asinine responses?

Clearly you failed to respond to the main point of the OP.

curtsibling · April 7, 2003, 07:01

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Originally posted by itsagreenday

curtsibling, is there something non-factual that I said or do you just feel like posting asinine responses?

I just have a low-tolerance for ridiculous rhetoric.

If you think this war is an act of charity by the Bush regime, you are blinkered, to say the least.

curtsibling · April 7, 2003, 07:06

I think Saddam Insane has had plenty of chances to bomb the West with WMD in the last 20 years.

All it takes is a suitcase full of Sarin and a suicidal maniac.

Why hasn't he done this yet?
Why hasn't he bombed our troops yet?
I don't think he has the capability.

Oh well, we tough Allies get to beat up another crappy 3rd world nation.

Nevs23 · April 7, 2003, 08:03

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Originally posted by monkspider
Oh, do not worry, the USA will find illegal weapons in Iraq, whether they actually exist or not.

Sava · April 7, 2003, 08:11

They will downplay the WMD and say how this war was about Iraqi Liberation (hence the name, Operation Iraqi Freedom). The puppet regime will control the population while American companies profit from reconstruction and the sale of the oil. Then, in several years, a democratically elected fundamentalist government will come to power and we'll have to do this all over again.

C0ckney · April 7, 2003, 09:27

maybe we should wait and see what the new government of iraq (when it is put in place) is actually like before writing it off?

DaShi · April 7, 2003, 09:40

US finds Santa in Iraq!

Daz · April 7, 2003, 09:52

US kills the Easter Rabbit in a friendly fire incident....

VetLegion · April 7, 2003, 11:49

The stakes may be just high enough for US to fabricate evidence that they found WMD.

SlowwHand · April 7, 2003, 11:59

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Originally posted by Daz
Yea, yea. I know more good will come out of it than bad. But that WASNT the reason for the war.

And there is plenty of even more ruthless dictators in the world that need to be wasted. You dont wanna get involved into 5 wars per year, do you?

A lot of people at ACS like to pick and choose, and ignore what they don't want to hear.

Again, this is 12 years over-due.
Get over it.

GePap · April 7, 2003, 11:59

The US is already playing down the whole WMD angle: they have been doing it since about a week in, when nothing had happened or been found. The thing is, it is not only about finding a few weapons. Remember Topny asking "where are the 10,000 liters of Anthrax?". Well, lets say they find 10...a whole war for 10 liters of anthrax? Notice as well how they are already downplaying any notion of actually getting Saddam, even though supposedly if Saddam and his two sons left Iraq, that would immediatly solve the issue and avert war?

But itsagreenday's position is what we should expect. If in the coming weeks nothing significant is found, specially about ties to Al qaeda either (anyone remember Ansar Al_islam? we got their headquarters a week ago. We got documents..let see....), then all Tony and Bush will say is "we liberated Iraq", and that's all people who supported this war as some way to strike at terrorism will do too: it doesn't matter if they really could give a crap about Iraqis and supported this war cause they think it would make them safer: once it is called a victory everyone will want to ignore any blemishes, specially if it turns out the US and UK lied about the whole disarmament issue (hey look the UN DID disamr Iraq peacefully...imagine that) to get a war.

I will give the Coolition a few weeks after the end of hostilities to find EVERYTHING they kept saying Iraq had, or finding where it all of a sudden went. After that they get no more grace period.

Ming · April 7, 2003, 12:04

It seems like a can't win situation.

If they find evidence... the people against the war will claim it was fabricated. Some people won't change their minds either way...

SlowwHand · April 7, 2003, 12:11

You know the world's gone mad when the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the USA of arrogance and the Germans don't want to go to war!

Urban Ranger · April 7, 2003, 12:16

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
A lot of people at ACS like to pick and choose, and ignore what they don't want to hear.

Such as yourself.

You don't want to hear that there is no plausible reason that the US can use to invade Iraq.

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Again, this is 12 years over-due.
Get over it.

What made you judge, jury, and executioner?

Ming · April 7, 2003, 12:19

I find it interesting that the palaces have been cleaned out... There was a little furniture left in the main palace, but everything else was gone. Could it be they don't want to leave any evidence behind...

Ming · April 7, 2003, 12:21

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
You don't want to hear that there is no plausible reason that the US can use to invade Iraq.

And you don't want to believe that there is a plausible reason... so, your point?

Everybody has their own opinion on the subject. And neither sides opinons are more or less valid... THEY ARE JUST OPINIONS.

Nevs23 · April 7, 2003, 12:31

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Originally posted by Ming

And you don't want to believe that there is a plausible reason...

Plausible ... yes... but morally?

Plan Austral · April 7, 2003, 12:31

An unprovoked invasion for the natural resources of a third world country, a scary precedent.

GePap · April 7, 2003, 12:40

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Originally posted by Ming
I find it interesting that the palaces have been cleaned out... There was a little furniture left in the main palace, but everything else was gone. Could it be they don't want to leave any evidence behind...

And if they didn't? wasn;t one of the Biggets reasons for this war to keep Iraqi WND out of the hands of "bad elements", i mena, that was most of Bush's monday before the war speech. If by the end of the warit turns out the Iraqis smuggled their stuff out of Iraq, and into the hands of bad elements, then to you this is not a problem? or a failure?

Again, the US and UK had a whole litanty of "evidence" Iraq was up to no good in the WMD front: they spoke about hundreads of Mustard Gas shells, tons of Nerve agents, tesn of thousands of liters of Anthrax, 20 or so SCUDS, UAV's capanle of spraying cities with ChemBio weapons, mobile bio-agent labs, so forth and so on. By the end of this war, given a few weeks as well, I want to see a report compiled telling me if a) this stuff ever was, b) if it was, were id it end up. If it turns out either most of this stuff neevr was, had been destroyed prior to the war, or is no longer on Iraq, I will say loudly that the US and Uk either lied about this issue or failed to secure one of their war aims, which was to keep these things out of the hands of anti-American forces.

Ming · April 7, 2003, 12:41

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Originally posted by Nevs23
Plausible ... yes... but morally?

Again... one could argue that the war is the moral thing to do...

It's all personal opinions...

I personally will wait to see what kind of evidence is found and make a judgement after/if it is found.

Some people have already stated up front that they won't believe it even if it is found. That type of attitude just proves that their mind is already made up, and they don't really care if there is evidence to prove them wrong....