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Henrik · August 28, 2003, 11:46

For Spain to forgive Denmarks repeated agression 700 gold would have to be payed to Spain and Austria respictively over a period of time that may be suggested by the Danes.
Furthermore 2 units of peasents shall be supplied to the netherlands.

This is the only way for Denmark to save herself the rightfull crusade which Spain and France will undertake against her.

conmcb25 · August 28, 2003, 12:36

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Originally posted by Henrik

This is the only way for Denmark to save herself the rightfull crusade which Spain and France will undertake against here.

Righfull by the grace of God I might add.

conmcb25 · August 28, 2003, 12:38

Henrik's Turn BTW!

Darius871 · August 29, 2003, 00:22

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Darius the last time I checked this was pre-reformation. You are a catholic dog as well.

Gee, strange that I have the Reformation tech, and my government is a reformed monarchy which I announced to be fiercely Protestant.

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Originally posted by Henrik
For Spain to forgive Denmarks repeated agression

Aggression against France? We sank an armada that was on its way to invade our homeland! Any peace agreement would have to involve written acknowledgement of French war guilt, and NO reparations to France.

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Originally posted by Henrik
700 gold would have to be payed to Spain and Austria respictively over a period of time that may be suggested by the Danes.

700 each?

Darius871 · August 29, 2003, 00:27

Btw guys, did we agree that you have to disband ground units that remain after a transport is sunk? I don't really remember.

conmcb25 · August 29, 2003, 10:00

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Originally posted by Darius871
Gee, strange that I have the Reformation tech, and my government is a reformed monarchy which I announced to be fiercely Protestant.

Ooops , my apoligizes, I guess I missed that one.

Well I guess you will have to renounce your Protestantism as well.

Henrik, Are we supposed to get the reformation this early?

Henrik · August 29, 2003, 10:30

Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the wittenberg church door in 1517, of the playable civs Sweden switched religions first (in the 1520s). What I've done to make things fair for multiplayer is to allow everyone acces to the reformation tech from the start (and the reformation really did start in 1517 so it isn't too unrealistic, even though most playable nations in this scenario waited longer before switching).

I am open to suggestion for future versions (and perhaps future scenarios which might use similar govt systems) though, do you all think it would be better if I gave the reformation tech to civs on the date which they switched religions historically?

conmcb25 · August 29, 2003, 10:33

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Originally posted by Henrik
Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the wittenberg church door in 1517, of the playable civs Sweden switched religions first (in the 1520s). What I've done to make things fair for multiplayer is to allow everyone acces to the reformation tech from the start (and the reformation really did start in 1517 so it isn't too unrealistic, even though most playable nations in this scenario waited longer before switching).

I am open to suggestion for future versions (and perhaps future scenarios which might use similar govt systems) though, do you all think it would be better if I gave the reformation tech to civs on the date which they switched religions historically?

Nope, Henrik you are WAY more up to speed then I am about this period of European history.

(I still enjoy that website you told me about for the Polish History from time to time.)

I stand corrected, I should have checked but I thought Luther came later in the 16th Century.

FiGu · August 29, 2003, 12:03

Darius, that Fleet would have anyway standed still for about.. 6-9 turns..

Darius871 · August 29, 2003, 14:50

So what? That doesn't tell me anything about their intentions. All I knew was a) you are a Catholic nation and would be the logical place for Spain to go for help b) you had ships loaded with troops and attack galleys north of the Spanish Netherlands and c) your explanation for them was a lie. Taking these three things into account sinking your fleet was the only option.

Again: if you don't like having your fleet be driftwood, then tell the truth the first time.

yaroslav · August 29, 2003, 17:29

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I believe the Swedes will agree with me on most if not all of these points. (My fellow nuetrals in this tragic war.)

We agree. The last thing that we want is a war, but it there is going to be a coordinate attack of all Christian kingdoms against Denmark as a retalation for Denmark's alliance with the Turk, the catholic (but soon Protestant) kingdom of Sweden will consider join.

BTW, We firmly believe that the Turk Empire is a danger for all Europe, Catholic or Protestant. The Sweden Empire is going to put under its protection the Ortodox Countries of the Baltic Sea in order to prvent problems with the Turks!

Henrik · August 30, 2003, 06:13

Several spanish ships has set out for Denmark this year.

On the spanish mainland the Communeros rebelion is finnaly crushed with the fall of Toledo. Several measures has been taken to tighten royal controll over Spain's subjects...

In Italy following the dangerous heathen uprisings in Germany and in light of the Danish Crowns alliance with the Sultan of Istanbul the eternal city of Rome has asked for and recieved Spanish protection. The papal states are now to be considered a Spanish protectorate.

Spain is willig to modify her peace suggestion to 500 gold to Spain and Austria each (totaling 1000 gold) to be payed by Denmark before 1588.
Other than that the other conditions stand.

conmcb25 · August 30, 2003, 07:26

Now we get to test how full of crap or not the Danish King is.

First of all I have not declared war on anyone.

Second of all I have declared several times that Im trying to build up my trade with my fellow nations in Europe.

Third of all I have a lone Caravel with a trade unit heading to Lubeck, it is near the location where the French ships were so wrongly sunk.

(And no Im not going to load and unload, England Strongly supports freedom of the seas and we are NOT at war.)

Lets see what the mad Danes do about a lone trade mission.

conmcb25 · August 30, 2003, 07:27

OOPs, the file

Darius871 · August 30, 2003, 14:24

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Originally posted by Henrik

Spain is willig to modify her peace suggestion to 500 gold to Spain and Austria each (totaling 1000 gold) to be payed by Denmark before 1588.
Other than that the other conditions stand.

This would be acceptable, with the acknowledgement of French war guilt and no French reparations, as aforementioned, as our war with them was completely justified.

Henrik · August 31, 2003, 07:19

Spain does not have mandate to negotiate for France, however she would like to suggest a small alteration in the proposed terms in a danno-French treaty.
"No reparations" could be changed to Denmark giving France the amount of ships that they've sunk within 25 years.

This seems fair to Spain, but again, we do not have mandate to negotiate for the French crown.

FiGu · August 31, 2003, 14:06

Yes, France agrees with the Spanish Terms..

Darius871 · August 31, 2003, 16:25

Replacing the ships we sank would mean giving our ENTIRE navy. We will not even replace ONE, because France was fighting a war of aggression unlike Spain and Austria. Let me again make this absolutely clear: in any peace agreement NOTHING will be given to France, and nothing will be asked of them.

Since no alliance between Spain and France has been announced, would the Spanish king be interested in a separate agreement?

jim panse · August 31, 2003, 17:55

Austria supports the Spanish demand without any kind of doubt that our, the Spanish and the Austrian cause, would be wrong.

yaroslav · September 1, 2003, 17:52

P&P

The Swedish King welcomes English trade unit, and he offers to escort the unit if needed. The Swedish fleet has gone to Calmar in order to protect the trade unit if needed, even if the objective of the English trade unit is not a Swedish city.

The Swedish king firmly believe that only with trade and peace we will defeat the Turk menace, our biggest foe who is roaming along in East Europe and Africa. We call for a crusade to liberate Europe of the infidel turk!

BTW, if I recall it correctly the next "oedo" year should be 1630 or 1631 (probably 1631), for any king who is interested into became a Protestant king, just like me

Darius871 · September 1, 2003, 18:29

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Originally posted by yaroslav

The Swedish King welcomes English trade unit, and he offers to escort the unit if needed. The Swedish fleet has gone to Calmar in order to protect the trade unit if needed, even if the objective of the English trade unit is not a Swedish city.

Why would our Protestant brothers need protection?

yaroslav · September 1, 2003, 19:06

I don't know, it was only an offer to make the trade with Sweden more appealling

In fact, we welcome trade from any nation (but the Turks

), and we will escort any trade unit that came to Sweden

BTW, I'll be in the Canary Islands from September the 12nd to September the 18th, so I'll not play that week

conmcb25 · September 8, 2003, 13:01

Darius-SEVEN DAYS!

BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP

Darius871 · September 8, 2003, 14:03

Rather than occupy Ostende, our invasion force was ordered to annihilate he large Spanish army that has assembled south of Den Haag. Our numerous cannon spotted two regiments of pikemen, a battery of obsolete bombards, and a regiment of Arquebusiers out in an open field and wiped them out in a matter of hours. What a waste of fine troops.

To repeat two questions:

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Btw guys, did we agree that you have to disband ground units that remain after a transport is sunk? I don't really remember.

Frankly I don't know how anyone can argue it's realistic to have troops float in the ocean for 10-20 years to be rescued and fight again.

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Since no alliance between Spain and France has been announced, would the Spanish king be interested in a separate agreement?

I am willing to pay the 1000 gold reparation to Spain and Austria as long as neither nation demands a treaty with France.

conmcb25 · September 8, 2003, 14:08

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I agree units floating in the ocean should be disbanded.

Henrik · September 9, 2003, 03:31

So do I, thousands of men just don't swim around untill a ship comes to pick them up

Darius871 · September 9, 2003, 03:38

For the third time

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Originally posted by Darius871

Since no alliance between Spain and France has been announced, would the Spanish king be interested in a separate agreement?

I am willing to pay the 1000 gold reparation to Spain and Austria as long as neither nation demands a treaty with France.

Dr. Nick · September 9, 2003, 13:01

Allah sends Turkish swimmers bread and fresh water, as well as lifebelts!

conmcb25 · September 15, 2003, 14:54

Bump El!!!!!!!!

You Infidel!!!!!!

Dr. Nick · September 17, 2003, 16:47