April 28, 2003, 13:55
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Let me ask this:
Why are you pro-war people so sure Shrub wasn't responsible for 9/11?
How do you know OBL isn't some puppet, and Shrub is pulling the strings?
No, I don't think Shrub was responsible, but there was that possibility.
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April 28, 2003, 14:07
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After 9/11 the majority was against war in Iraq just like it was when Clinton tried to broach the subject a few years before. The only difference is that Clinton listened to the majority and Bush actively campaigned to change the majority opinion by trying to create a false connection between terrorism and Saddam and using intelligence reports of WMD that must have been greatly exaggerated or all that intelligence would have turned up something by now. So yes, he did listen.
Your 70 something percent figure is a little ridiculous, its based on the massive upsurge in support for the war after it had already begun and many people thought there is no use in being against a fait accompli, besides it would have been unpatriotic  . Leading up to the war the anti-war crowd was much more substantial.
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April 28, 2003, 14:24
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believe me, I've thought of the possibility this was some conspiracy.
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April 28, 2003, 14:26
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by the way the lowest support for the war percentage I have seen was 46%. This was the percentage that supported war without a UN resolution. The figure was in the 60's with UN support. The people against the war was far below 46% (because the rest were undecided)
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April 28, 2003, 17:30
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You anti-war folks are in big denial. I haven't seen such major denial even in myself when confronted with several personal issues.
Gsmoove, that is inaccurate. From what I read within days of the war, perhaps a week, the numbers turned completely against the peacenik crowd. So your inaccuracy is stunning.
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April 28, 2003, 17:49
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Originally posted by Fez
You anti-war folks are in big denial. I haven't seen such major denial even in myself when confronted with several personal issues.
Gsmoove, that is inaccurate. From what I read within days of the war, perhaps a week, the numbers turned completely against the peacenik crowd. So your inaccuracy is stunning.
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Do you think we liberals are going to listen to your fascist crap. It is you that is in denial. Quit being a Fez Despenser, Fezzie.  Quit watching FOX. Give us evidense to refute the numbers doesn't come from a conservative-biased medium like the Wall Street Journal or Rush Limbaugh. 
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April 28, 2003, 17:53
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You my friend are full of it. Fascist? Give it a break, Stalin, I mean Odin. You are in big denial. Stop reading Pravda or watching Al-Jazeera... you are being brainwashed with nonsense. 
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April 28, 2003, 18:16
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April 28, 2003, 18:18
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So one positive side effect from this war has been the comedy value of watching much of the left go bonkers.
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They are pretty hilarious, aren't they? Reminds me of some of my favorite episodes of "Life Goes On". 
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April 28, 2003, 18:19
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I'm glad you find humor in human suffering. 
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April 28, 2003, 18:21
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He called me a fascist, Sava. And I am not anywhere near one. Only desperate people call me that.
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April 28, 2003, 18:22
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I'm glad you find humor in human suffering.
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Read this in your best Chris Burke voice and you'll know what Sava sounds like in my head. 
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April 28, 2003, 18:26
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Remember, 49.9 percent of Americans voted for bush, so of course they'd be for the war......
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Gee, where does that put me Tassadar?
I would have voted for Bush, and opposed the war.
How many more share my concerns?
You now have to acknowledge that some who voted Democrat supported the war.
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April 28, 2003, 18:28
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Tell me about the other voices you hear Drake...
Fez: A lot of your "points" skirt dangerously close to fascism. If it makes you feel any better, I think you are more of a radical conservative. But what concerns me is that you think Augosto Pinochet was a hero. 
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April 28, 2003, 18:32
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Well if it were up to lefties, we couldn't find humour in anything. They are trying to take away everything we find funny.
Humour helps people make it through difficult situations in case you don't know that. But being a lefty, you probably don't know that.
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April 28, 2003, 18:32
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Originally posted by Sava
Fez: A lot of your "points" skirt dangerously close to fascism.
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Name one.
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April 28, 2003, 18:33
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Remember, 49.9 percent of Americans voted for bush, so of course they'd be for the war......
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C'mon now Tass, don't give him that much credit. Only approx. 48 million people voted for Bush... between 16%-16.5% of America.
What's funny about those "Do you support war" polls, is that they are very general and don't get in to specifics. Most Americans, pre-War, wanted UN approval, and proof that this war needed to happen right away. Such proof was never presented, and after the bombs started falling and our troops were in danger, most Americans simply supported our Armed Forces. The question "Do you support the war?" became synonymous with "Do you like America?".
Personally, I don't give a crap about what the average Joe's and Jane's think. Most of them aren't informed enough to make a credible decision anyhow. What is interesting though, is that if you look at the polls when cross-sectioned with education level, anti-war sentiment was much higher for people who were college educated.
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April 28, 2003, 18:36
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Well if it were up to lefties, we couldn't find humour in anything. They are trying to take away everything we find funny.
Humour helps people make it through difficult situations in case you don't know that. But being a lefty, you probably don't know that.
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By stereotyping people into two groups, you are making a huge mistake. This may come to a surprise to you, but there are more than two political ideologies. And saying "lefties" are trying to take away humor is just stupid.
The Pope disagreed with the war. Is he a "Lefty" too?
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April 28, 2003, 18:36
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So I suppose you would like to see 2 year olds going out to vote aswell? Just kidding yah...
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April 28, 2003, 18:37
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yes the pope probalby is a lefty. I'm not certain of that.
You can't even make gay jokes in america anymore. There is a reason for that. Because some people think it creates a hate environment towards gays.
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April 28, 2003, 18:38
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[threadjack]What's wrong with fascism, Sava?[/threadjack]
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April 28, 2003, 18:40
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yes the pope probalby is a lefty. I'm not certain of that.
You can't even make gay jokes in america anymore. There is a reason for that. Because some people think it creates a hate environment towards gays.
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Take your blinders off man. That simply isn't true. Listen to Chicago Sports Radio for about ten minutes.
The Pope a lefty...  I hope you aren't serious
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April 28, 2003, 18:40
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What's wrong with fascism, Sava?
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April 28, 2003, 18:52
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yes the pope probalby is a lefty. I'm not certain of that.
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Great quote. I'll keep it
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April 28, 2003, 18:58
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Saddam just wanted his own little country. He wanted to build palaces and surround himself with beautiful things. He was predictable. And he didn't want to sacrifice his life for his beliefs.
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Yes. He also wanted to, and did, kill a sh*tload of people.
Sava, you make Iraq sound like a goddam Club Med.
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Yes Saddam built all those things.. and one hell of a nice yacht. It was a Club Med for him and his innercircles. It was pure **** for the Iraqi people... years of starvation while Saddam and his men eat caviar. Stalin reincarinated.
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That was a kewl yacht...
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It was a Club Med for him and his innercircles. It was pure **** for the Iraqi people... years of starvation while Saddam and his men eat caviar. Stalin reincarinated.
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Why?
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Comparing Saddam Hussein and Iosef Stalin?
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