Which country with nuclear weapons frightens you the most? - Page 4

Ben Kenobi · April 28, 2003, 03:33

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Canada is too cold to scares anyone.

Stealth nation technology deployed.

dannubis · April 28, 2003, 04:08

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Originally posted by GP

go directly to gulag. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

go directly to guantanamo bay ... do not pass go etc ...

yago · April 28, 2003, 04:55

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Maybe you should enter a defensive alignment with Russia. You could pay them with better nuke power technology. And they would use their weapons to protect you from the US. go back to the old East German model...

AH, no, I would ally with north-korea.

AH, when I say USA=Militiaristic/Expansionist, don't you think that implies, that I don't want anything to with people who spend 60 % of their taxes for military-spending ? In other words, a country with an East-German system ?

Serb · April 28, 2003, 05:21

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Originally posted by GP

go directly to gulag. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

No question about our currency rating today?

What's wrong with you?

Serb · April 28, 2003, 05:22

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Originally posted by orange
welcome to the 21st century GP. That's like telling a Japanese-American poster that he'll be sent to an internment camp

Thanks.

Serb · April 28, 2003, 05:24

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Originally posted by GP

This history is more recent.

Not at all.

Daz · April 28, 2003, 06:11

Afraid of countries using nuclear weapons:

Pakistan, USA

Afraid of countries leaking nuclear weapons:

Russia, Pakistan (when things there get out of control)

dannubis · April 28, 2003, 06:16

the problem in these days does not come from a nuclear bomb being launched by means of a rocket. It comes from one that is being smuggled in ... me thinks

TCO · April 28, 2003, 10:10

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Originally posted by Serb

No question about our currency rating today?

What's wrong with you?

Go play with your mafioso friends.

TCO · April 28, 2003, 10:11

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Originally posted by dannubis

go directly to guantanamo bay ... do not pass go etc ...

ACtually I was asked to go there and do reserve duty...

TCO · April 28, 2003, 10:13

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Originally posted by Serb

Not at all.

Learn math.

TCO · April 28, 2003, 10:14

And learn history. I think you can read stuff now. Not like it was 20 years ago.

TCO · April 28, 2003, 10:15

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Originally posted by yago

AH, no, I would ally with north-korea.

What do you get out of that? Bad hairdo?

GePap · April 28, 2003, 11:22

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Originally posted by Azazel

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Actually, nuking some city in the center of Israel, like Tel Aviv, would kill very few Arabs at all. Nukes are not that powerful people, don't exagerate their power.

A good nuke has around 40 km in complete killing radius. and another 40 with 50% fatalities, IIRC. this would kill tens of thousands of Arabs in Jaffa and Lud, and will kill lots of Palestinians as well.

No it doesn't. A 1 Megaton nuclear device would kill about 90% of the people within about a 4 mile radius, with an exponential drop-off with eery single mile more. I have looked this up several times in books about Nuclear effects. Up to 20 miles out you do get serious injuries, blast damage of some sort and heat damage, plus anyone who was looking in the direction of the bomb is blinded. Still, that is well bellow your 40 km radius, and nukes in the megaton range are rare now.

Arrian · April 28, 2003, 11:36

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AH, when I say USA=Militiaristic/Expansionist, don't you think that implies, that I don't want anything to with people who spend 60 % of their taxes for military-spending ?

Not to intrude on your anti-American rant, pal, but 60% is a wildly inflated figure. If you are going to exaggerate for effect, it's best not to double the number.

Frankly, if it's the US using nukes that worries you, you should hope the US's conventional forces stay strong, because so long as we have conventional superiority, there will be no need whatsoever to use nukes, other than as a deterrent (MAD).

-Arrian

Az · April 28, 2003, 12:24

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No it doesn't. A 1 Megaton nuclear device would kill about 90% of the people within about a 4 mile radius, with an exponential drop-off with eery single mile more. I have looked this up several times in books about Nuclear effects. Up to 20 miles out you do get serious injuries, blast damage of some sort and heat damage, plus anyone who was looking in the direction of the bomb is blinded. Still, that is well bellow your 40 km radius, and nukes in the megaton range are rare now.

you sure? I saw completely different figures. ok, whatever. It's not like it's a realistic scenario.

Evil_Eric_4 · April 28, 2003, 12:58

Pakistan--A mostly moslem country with nukes(shudder).

a close second is NK--

and should Iran ever develop them they will skip right to the top of my list.

raghar · April 28, 2003, 17:04

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Originally posted by Azazel
you sure? I saw completely different figures. ok, whatever. It's not like it's a realistic scenario.

Where? It could be interesting reading.

Then again I like NW FAQ it is short and more or less correct.

Edan · April 28, 2003, 17:10

Doesn't wind play a big part in radioactive fallout?

Edan · April 28, 2003, 17:13

From http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/1mtfall.html
For a 1 Megaton bomb:

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Assumptions
Wind speed: 15 mph
Wind direction: due east
Time frame: 7 days

3,000 Rem*
Distance: 30 miles
Much more than a lethal dose of radiation. Death can occur within hours of exposure. About 10 years will need to pass before levels of radioactivity in this area drop low enough to be considered safe, by U.S. peacetime standards.

900 Rem
Distance: 90 miles
A lethal dose of radiation. Death occurs from two to fourteen days.

raghar · April 28, 2003, 18:04

http://nuclearhistory.tripod.com/faq.htm

As I said this is more precisse.

Panag · April 28, 2003, 18:09

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Originally posted by raghar
http://nuclearhistory.tripod.com/faq.htm

As I said this is more precisse.

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hi ,

anyway , most calculations forget that even a nuke has a date on them , ...

have a nice day without nukes

TCO · April 28, 2003, 18:27

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Originally posted by Edan
Doesn't wind play a big part in radioactive fallout?

fallout is not the key measurement as people in the blast area could move. Could take iodine tablets. Etc. Key is the ones that are killed un first day or so by immediate blast and immediate effect of fallout.

Cyclotron · April 28, 2003, 18:45

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Originally posted by yago
AH, when I say USA=Militiaristic/Expansionist, don't you think that implies, that I don't want anything to with people who spend 60 % of their taxes for military-spending ? In other words, a country with an East-German system ?

Military spending, as of 2002, is 3.2% of our GDP.

So, where did you get 60%? Pulled it out of your ass?

And Spiffor, how do people being bigots make them likely to nuke people? Are you implying that our surrent government would actually nuke people, or even invade them for that matter, because we are racists?

Jesus.

raghar · April 28, 2003, 18:46

They are unbelievable. Tripod is out 5 minutes...

http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.htm There is another site.

Panag · April 28, 2003, 18:53

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Originally posted by raghar
They are unbelievable. Tripod is out 5 minutes...

http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.htm There is another site.

hi ,

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huh , even they would not take in account the fact that fission materials have a date on them , ...

have a nice day

GePap · April 28, 2003, 19:58

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More Technical Information
Blast Effects
The blast effect is primarily determined by the "overpressure" - given in english units in PSI
This effect at any distance is proportional to the cube root of the weapons yield. Thus a 20 megaton bomb, which is large by today's standards, will affect only 10 times the radius of a 20 kiloton bomb - which was the yield at Hiroshima.
A human being can withstand up to about 35PSI of peak overpressure from a nuclear blast (1% fatality rate). Your mileage may vary. Thus a human will almost always survive the blast overpressure at approximately the following distances (slant range) from a blast according to the following table: Distance From Blast to Survive Blast Wave
Yield Distance (mi) Distance (km) Comments
20 kT .35 . 56 Hiroshima and Nagasaki
600 kT 1.1 1.8 Typical Strategic US Nuke
20 MT 3.5 5.6 Very Big Bomb

The blast wave can, however, pick people up and throw them. For a 165 pound standing person to be thrown at 20 feet per second, the following table shows the distance from the blast: Distance From Blast to be Thrown at 20 fps
Yield Distance (mi) Distance (km)
20kT 1.06 1.75
600kT 4.1 6.6
20MT 16.8 27
Max Wind at Distance from Blast
Yield 1 mi
1.6 km 3 mi
4.8 km 10 mi
16 km 30 mi
48 km

20kT 200 mph
89 mps 47 mph
21 mps 5 mph
2 mps ~0

600kT 1000 mph
447 mps 210 mph
94 mps 51 mps
23 5 mps
2
20MT off scale 1200 mph
536 mps 195 mph
87 mps 47 mph
21 mps

The greatest danger from the blast wave comes from destruction of structures and the conversion of objects into missiles. The following tables gives the destruction distance from various yields for a few kinds of structures:

Window Breakage
Yield Distance (mi) Distance (km)
20kT 3.2 5.1
600kT 10 16
20MT 32 51
Wood-frame Building Destruction
Yield Distance (mi) Distance (km)
20kT 1.5 1.9
600kT 4.8 7.7
20MT 15 19

Multi-story Brick
Yield Distance (mi) Distance (km)
20kT 1. 1.6
600kT 3.0 4.8
20MT 10 16
Multi-story Reinforced Concrete Offices
Yield Distance (mi) Distance (km)
20kT .5 .81
600kT 1.3 2.1
20MT 5 8.1

from http://www.surviveanuclearattack.com...sics_Reference

GePap · April 28, 2003, 20:03

Andthe most trustworthy source of all:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/effects.htm

Oerdin · April 28, 2003, 20:17

Please note I am making my determination of risks based upon facts and situations which actually have some modest possibility of actually occurring. A few of you anti-American trolls should try to do the same.

1. NK- This is clearly an irrational regime which changes its mind every two minutes and who is lead by the Korean equivalent of Michael Jackson.

2. Pakistan- The government came into power though a coupe and is widely hated, its population is filled with religious extremists who support terrorism, and it has a major historical beef with it's neighbor to the east.

3. Russia- The economy remains piss poor, the people have a sense of national humiliation (just like post WW1 Germany), there is very limited institutional control of the political system (i.e. a dictator could easily make confedy of the constitution and make up his own rules), and they just happen to be sitting on the world's largest pile of fissile material and ICBMs.

monkspider · April 28, 2003, 20:19

1. USA
Several order of magnitude lower
2. N. Korea
3. Pakistan