Bush Address To United Nations - Page 3

Agathon · April 27, 2003, 16:53

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Originally posted by Azazel

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So you're criticising the style rather than the substance?

I was just giving you a friendly tip for the future.

Duly noted.

Spiffor · April 27, 2003, 16:54

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Originally posted by Chris 62
Why not drop the sanctions outright, and than insist on the Un inspectors returning?

Because my country is greedy and still believe it can have some of the loot. Get real, Chirac, we lost. End of story. Better look for ways to be in good relationship with rebuilt Iraq.

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Why is it critical to tie this together, when France certifed that Iraq should be sanction free since 1998?

I don't think it is considered 'critically tied'. France calls at the same time for the sanctions' suspension (basically, to drop them since they won't be reenacted as long as the US doesn't want to) and for the continuation of UN inspections. Where is the problem in involving the UN in Iraq's disarmament ? It's not like the presence of inspectors mean the Iraqis will continue to starve.

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Why do they NOW insist sanctions NOt be lifted outright, yet pushed for EXACTLY that when Saddam was still in charge?

Because of Chirac's delusions that it is still possible to have the UN not to be spitted upon. It is also essential for Chirac to let the US keep its importance, because he loves his veto power.

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My answer is I don't trust France or the inspectors the UN sent, a third party should be formed.

You're right not to trust France, its diplomacy is guided by greed and political opportunism (whose doesn't ?). However, I fail to see what source would be more reliable than the UN to provide inspectors. The UN is this wonderful place where countries' egoisms are articulated, and as such, it is the less biased organism in the world, since it gets influenced by everyone

Agathon · April 27, 2003, 16:55

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Originally posted by skywalker
Agathon - in the long run, the US government IS the American people. The American people most assuredly aren't all conspiring to annex Cuba. Some of the current administration may be, but I find even that hard to swallow.

Not annex. They just want another US friendly regime. The Cuban people certainly don't.

And the US government is the American people? I don't swallow that one - the US government is the creation of special interests more like it.

Nubclear · April 27, 2003, 16:56

Oh and Chris.....I can tell I've hurt your ego. So I won't come after you anymore if you simply dont reply......But if you reply, then I'll continue to barrage you with facts

Agathon · April 27, 2003, 16:56

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Cuba. Forget Cuba. Cuba isn't a pimple on the real world's ass.

Yeah. Bush is sending the 101 there right now.

Because of their weapons of mass destruction? Short from carcinogenic cigars this seems a bit far fetched.

Or perhaps they are threatening their neighbours?

Chris 62 · April 27, 2003, 16:59

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Oh and Chris.....I can tell I've hurt your ego.

HA HA HA HA

You are a caution.

I find it amusing you play these games, but they do pass the time.

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So I won't come after you anymore if you simply dont reply

Tass, why don't you attempt to just talk to me, WITHOUT the rhetoric?
I would be interested in what you had to say, but forget playing the cold war game, I used to do it with your elders above the artic circle, back in the ol days.
Your easy meat ol buddy.

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......But if you reply, then I'll continue to barrage you with facts

I suppose there is a first time for everything.

Kuciwalker · April 27, 2003, 17:02

Chris, give it up. You were wrong, on a dispute about LANGUAGE no less. It doesn't make you look any better.

Tassadar, that was a bit provocative, though...

SlowwHand · April 27, 2003, 17:05

Trying to win a point via semantics?
Big deal.

Agathon · April 27, 2003, 17:06

I can hear silence. I think that means no one is going to answer my question.

Chalk up another win to the pinko commie scum. Har Har Har!

Kuciwalker · April 27, 2003, 17:07

Which question?

I'll field it.

SlowwHand · April 27, 2003, 17:10

I missed it.

No one cares about Cuba.
They'll implode all on their lonesome.

Agathon · April 27, 2003, 17:10

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Originally posted by skywalker
Which question?

I'll field it.

Would the Cubans be better off under Castro or another US supported Batista like regime, since these are the only realistic options?

Would they be better off with their great health system and world class education, or by having their children working in sweatshops for 2 cents an hour sewing Mickey Mouse pyjamas for Disney?

Kuciwalker · April 27, 2003, 17:11

Slowhand... obviously SOME people care about Cuba, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Agathon · April 27, 2003, 17:12

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
I missed it.

No one cares about Cuba.
They'll implode all on their lonesome.

Your government cares and has cared about them a great deal for over 200 years.

Chris 62 · April 27, 2003, 17:12

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Originally posted by skywalker
Chris, give it up. You were wrong, on a dispute about LANGUAGE no less. It doesn't make you look any better.

Sorry, I'm not.

Deal with it.

And I'm not concerned with how I "look" to you.

SlowwHand · April 27, 2003, 17:14

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Originally posted by skywalker
Slowhand... obviously SOME people care about Cuba, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Some people, at ACS.
I meant people that mattered in the big scheme of things.

Kuciwalker · April 27, 2003, 17:15

Ok, that's different

OneFootInTheGrave · April 27, 2003, 17:15

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Originally posted by skywalker
Slowhand... obviously SOME people care about Cuba, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue you!

He cares

Az · April 27, 2003, 17:15

, talking about semantics.

Agathon · April 27, 2003, 17:18

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Originally posted by SlowwHand

Some people, at ACS.
I meant people that mattered in the big scheme of things.

Like you?

Kuciwalker · April 27, 2003, 17:18

No, Agathon, like world leaders.

SlowwHand · April 27, 2003, 17:19

Since Cuba is such a big concern to so many here (why, I have NO idea), here's what needs to happen.

We trade the citizens boats for ball players, and cigars.
Yeah. That's it. Sanction their asses.

Kuciwalker · April 27, 2003, 17:20

rofl

Nubclear · April 27, 2003, 17:28

Chris, considering you did not respond to my previous "ontopic" post, I will accept your surrender and will drop the subject. It was nice debating with you

If you wish to revive it, simply respond to the post.

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Tassadar, that was a bit provocative, though...

Then I suceeded

Kuciwalker · April 27, 2003, 17:30

Tass, provoking someone for the sake of provoking them is childish and, more to the point, incredibly annoying. On BOTH sides.

Nubclear · April 27, 2003, 17:31

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Originally posted by skywalker
Tass, provoking someone for the sake of provoking them is childish

Then I suppose I'm just immature

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and, more to the point, incredibly annoying. On BOTH sides.

Trolling is an art, and I think I'm mastering that art. Dont you agree?

SlowwHand · April 27, 2003, 17:35

He's going to come back and get you , Tass.

Nubclear · April 27, 2003, 17:36

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
He's going to come back and get you , Tass.

Not on this subject he won't

Spiffor · April 27, 2003, 17:47

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Trolling is an art, and I think I'm mastering that art. Dont you agree?

Agreed. You are probably the most skillful troll around here these days, and clearly deserve a place in 'Poly's troll Hall of Fame.
However, somthing is still missing for you to reach the status of a true troll legend. Hmmm, I can't say what it is. Maybe the final enlightenment that happens to wisened-up trolls ?

SlowwHand · April 27, 2003, 18:28

skywalker had the thread about the Why's on Iraq.

This thread was to illustrate that it isn't done yet.