Chess Problem

MJW · April 29, 2003, 22:19

See if you can solve this!
http://www.chessbase.com/puzzle/puzz05d.htm

Asher · April 29, 2003, 22:22

Slashdot flashbacks...

monolith94 · April 29, 2003, 22:24

Ummmm - could it have something to do with the king not being on it's color?

JohnT · April 29, 2003, 22:25

1. Take Arm
2. Swipe across board
3. Declare Stalemate

Asher · April 29, 2003, 22:25

There is a solution for it. You need to move the pieces around, monolith.

monolith94 · April 29, 2003, 22:29

I know that, but in the graphic that was presented to me, the king was not on his color. A king must be on his color for the game to begin.

DRoseDARs · April 29, 2003, 22:30

Are the pointy-crown graphics the kings and the rounded ones the queens? If no, then you've got a point Mono, but if yes then... *nods at Asher's post with a grin*

Wittlich · April 29, 2003, 22:31

Actually Asher (or I should say MJW), I opened up the chess board but realized the game just started - yes, you have to move the pieces around to figure the puzzle out...but I lost interest because it's just too much thought process to waste on it - especially when I'm gearing up for my finals!

Asher · April 29, 2003, 22:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Wittlich
Actually Asher, I opened up the chess board but realized the game just started - yes, you have to move the pieces around to figure the puzzle out...but I lost interest because it's just too much thought process to waste on it - especially when I'm gearing up for my finals!

I did it the CSgeek way and used google.

I solved the problem in < 10 seconds.

MJW · April 29, 2003, 22:33

http://www.princeton.edu/~jedwards/cif/intro.html

say it then Asher!

DRoseDARs · April 29, 2003, 22:33

I knew there was a reason CS students are said to "stink."

Stinking cheater...

Asher · April 29, 2003, 22:35

Quote:

Originally posted by MJW
http://www.princeton.edu/~jedwards/cif/intro.html

say it then Asher!

Spoiler:

St Leo · April 29, 2003, 22:36

I know that, but in the graphic that was presented to me, the king was not on his color. A king must be on his color for the game to begin.

Actually, the queen has to be on its colour for the game to begin.

monolith94 · April 29, 2003, 22:41

That's an amusing little solution.

Asher · April 29, 2003, 22:41

Notation information: http://www.uschess.org/about/forms/KEEPINGSCORE.pdf

Koyaanisqatsi · April 29, 2003, 22:46

Think I figured it out. Hopefully this method of hiding the solution works....

HolyWarrior · April 30, 2003, 00:58

Of course, no one is ever going to make those moves in an actual game...

monolith94 · April 30, 2003, 01:12

spoilsport! I once beat a kid with I believe it's called 'the fool's gambit' - the one where you win in 3 or four moves. It was fun.

Aro · April 30, 2003, 01:21

IIRC, the moves have to be forced, in a chess puzzle. I mean, the result can't be avoided. But this isn't a real puzzle, is it?

Alinestra Covelia · April 30, 2003, 01:25

There was a game I played in high school once where I'd lost my queen and bishops and the enemy had even promoted an extra queen.

Without him noticing, I pushed a pawn all the way to the end and mated his entrenched king literally one move away from mate myself.

Jon Miller · April 30, 2003, 01:30

the 4 move mate (With the queena nd bishop) is called a scholars mate I beleive

it can be stoped anywhere along the way (most easiliy by the move of a pawn

Jon Miller

monolith94 · April 30, 2003, 01:51

Alinestra - that sounds like something I'd do!!!
there was this one kid I'd play on the network at school against, and he would ALWAYS nab my queen within the first few moves - but I'd end up always winning. It was great!

Koyaanisqatsi · April 30, 2003, 11:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Aro
IIRC, the moves have to be forced, in a chess puzzle. I mean, the result can't be avoided. But this isn't a real puzzle, is it?

It's not a puzzle in the sense that moves have to be forced, no. It would be pretty hard to force a mate from 1. e4.......if it wasn't, I think chess would have gone out of style long ago.

Flubber · April 30, 2003, 11:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Aro
IIRC, the moves have to be forced, in a chess puzzle. I mean, the result can't be avoided. But this isn't a real puzzle, is it?

its a different type of puzzle called a helpmate-- you look to see if you can achieve the result if both sides are actively seeking it

Flubber · April 30, 2003, 11:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon Miller
the 4 move mate (With the queena nd bishop) is called a scholars mate I beleive

it can be stoped anywhere along the way (most easiliy by the move of a pawn

Jon Miller

Yes the four mover is called sholars mate and it is the first thing you teach kids to avoid. It is very easy to stop and the early movement of the queen prior to developing other pieces, makes her a target.

The two move mate only occurrs through stupidity -- White plays pawns to f3 (or f4) and g4-- Black plays e6 or e5 followed by Qh4 checkmate

1. f3 e6 2. g4 Qh4 ++