1st Ukrainian front - Page 4

Bossy20000 · June 3, 2003, 11:46

Will we be try to keep Belgorod? If we keep Belgorod, we could keep Kursk if they don't attack too much. They still haven't taken Gomel nor Bryansk, so they will have to split their forces to attack multiple cities. When we keep Belgorod, they won't be able to attack Kursk from the south, and we might just be able to hold on on Kursk. If we still have it in a few months, we could send more troops from Voronezh to reinforce the garrison, and then next winter Kiev could be ours again!!

For the Party and the Rodina!

Shaka Naldur · June 3, 2003, 11:49

no, we are not keeping Belgorod take a look at the red line

Bossy20000 · June 3, 2003, 11:55

Well, you didn't mention it, so I thought you might want to keep it as a safe haven for our troops when they do raids in occupied territory! (It's on a river so 50% more defense)

Plus, there aren't orange arrows on the map pointing to Belgorod, so you aren't going to retake it???? Will you leave these people as slaves for the Germans? We must liberate ALL of our citizens!

Shaka Naldur · June 3, 2003, 11:56

I liked the way the arrow looked going straight to Kharkov,
ALL of our citizens will be liberated

Bossy20000 · June 3, 2003, 12:24

Ben Kenobi · June 3, 2003, 12:45

There are so many Nazi tanks, and we've just begun the summer. Will you be able to take most of them out with counterattacks?

Shaka Naldur · June 3, 2003, 14:59

well, we will see

PinkyGen · June 3, 2003, 16:21

Beograd seems too close to those Nazi tanks and isolated to be able to hold. I hope the river slows them down and many Germans die will trying tot ake it.

H Tower · June 4, 2003, 03:46

comrade Shemir, there is a T34 unit waiting in Orenburg for orders to travel the northern road to Vorenzh or the southern road to Serafmovich, if you would be so kind as to give them when you are commanding your front.

FiGu · June 4, 2003, 09:38

Comrade Shemir, will you need any support with your offensive that you have planned on the Winter?
I've also planned to make a breakthrough in Perekop.

Shaka Naldur · June 4, 2003, 14:10

marshall, I don´t think I understand the question

figu, I will start from Kursk and I will go south to Kharkov,
I don´t think i will need your help for this winter but we will have to get a long for the next turns

H Tower · June 4, 2003, 18:23

Quote:

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur
marshall, I don´t think I understand the question

Reinforcements are heading your way, I want to know which town you want the T34 to arrive in

FiGu · June 5, 2003, 04:39

This is what i had in mind.

1) You start your attack from Kursk while i start from Perekop.
2) Once the Dnepr River Cities are secured, i start an offensive against Stalino and Voroshilovgrad from Stalingrad and Rostov.
3) Once our Forces are reinforced in both fronts, we'll start an offensive towards Kiev and Odessa.

Do you like the plan?

EDIT: And Even a name for this operation would be good. how about Operation Flanking Damage.

Shaka Naldur · June 5, 2003, 14:11

I like it a lot

that way we will have a three cities front, less cities to defend that the ones we have to defend right now

marshall,
send them to Voroznez rather than to Serafimovich

Henrik · June 5, 2003, 14:47

At risk of sounding overly pesimistic I wonder if that plan isn't a bit overly ambitious...

This offensive if it fails will cost lots of units, units that will have to be replaced. While the southern fronts surely have no idea of what it's like to get few to no reinforcements we up north do. Just becouse you have loads of units doesn't mean you should risk them all (or for that matter the cities you are guarding with them currently, surely the Wermacht SG can still paradrop, along with the luftwaffe that might prove dangerous)...

There'll be a time for offensives, right now we should be carefull and not overextend ourselves.

I fear the hubris which is spreading among our front commanders

Just my opinion.

Comrade General Kolja Henrikov
Commander of the Baltic Forces.

Xenozod · June 5, 2003, 14:51

Ambitious plans are what win wars...
Foolishness is what loses them...

Henrik · June 5, 2003, 14:55

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Originally posted by Xenozod
Ambitious plans are what win wars...

Aha, so explain then how come Barbarossa failed historically?

I am not saying we shouldn't ever conduct offensives, or that it must be wrong to attack any cities.

But my experience is that the area marked on that map has several hundreds of german units in it, we have nothing near that force even in our super equiped southern fronts.
Carefullness is of the essance especially with the german pontoon bridge and all.

Henrik · June 5, 2003, 14:59

Also if you are implying that the leadership of the baltic forces is folish I suggest you take that up with the Marshal. I do what I feel is best with very limited resources...

Bossy20000 · June 5, 2003, 15:09

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Originally posted by Henrik
Also if you are implying that the leadership of the baltic forces is folish I suggest you take that up with the Marshal. I do what I feel is best with very limited resources...

And you do a very good job, you even retook Talinn (for a short time)! You are correct, hubris is spreading through the ranks of our officers as the war seems to turn in our favour! (Why can't we write in Greek here? Hubris is supposed to be in Greek!)
I have already warned many front commanders before to not overextend themselves, but I think they are influenced by the achievements of our comrades Pavlov and Anzyakov, and want to do the same, even if their situation is not comparable!

Xenozod · June 5, 2003, 15:10

No, no, no. I was saying that if we don't make ambitious plans here and there, we'll get nowhere fast. And I wasn't implying there is anything wrong with your excellent leadership, I was just stating the opposite of the first line...Barbarossa is an example.

EZRhino · June 5, 2003, 15:23

I agree with Henrik. It is foolish to waste ourselves on an attack before the time is right.

greeny · June 5, 2003, 17:59

Guys, I think our Southern front commanders are planning Operation Flanking Damage with a stating date of sometime this winter not right now...

Launching large offensives on the southern front this summer; where the Germans are going to lauch their greatest attacks would be suicide.

But once winter comes the Germans will be helpless and frozen by the cold and ripe for smashing.

Could Shaka and FiGu agree on a approximate launch date for this offensive?

Colwyn · June 5, 2003, 19:24

Sturmoviks comrades, build them in your cities now 1 plane can knock out 5-6 big stacks per turn, have 4 of them clean a path to the enemy city and then role in the ground units.

Summer is the best time to attack comrades but sturmoviks are needed to clear german units in range who may counter attack during their turn.

FiGu · June 6, 2003, 03:46

In my experience in playing RF, i remember only that germany garrisoned thoose southern cities with only some units. So we won't really get overwhelmed.

But once we got the these cities are the roads open to Kiev and Odessa!

And then of course to Hungary and Romania.

Bossy20000 · June 6, 2003, 06:06

You are right Colwyn that sturmoviks are very effectif and can only be used during the summer, but taking cities we can't hold and losing them, together with some units is risky at the southern front! If we lose to many units while doing this, the Germans could have a breakthrough. We should kill as many units as possible this summer, but wait to take the cities, and only take them next winter, when we can effectively defend them!

Shaka Naldur · June 6, 2003, 07:20

yes, we are planing on doing it this summer, if we are succesfull with the attack we will have a front with three cities, while right now we are having a front with six cities,
let's try it this winter, with some siberians and the red guards we can do wonderfull things in winter

Bossy20000 · June 6, 2003, 07:55

I don't see how you can get a front with only three cities

I see as a front-possibility the line Kherson-Dnepopetrovsk-Poltava-Kharkov-Belgorod-Kursk, but this is six cities, while most of them have no specific defence bonuses nor rivers to protect them. Plus, other cities can still be attacked with fighters and bombers (Perekop, Sevastopel,...) Could you tell what you meant with the three-city front?

FiGu · June 6, 2003, 08:00

Hmm, but there will be of course some problems if we attack in winter... i won't be able to use the new Sturmoviks that im going to build this turn. That means no air support

greeny · June 6, 2003, 09:34

Considering the sheer number of German tanks attacking this area I think attacking this summer with the number of units we have got sound very risky. And unthinkable while there is still a bridge over the river Don (we do NOT want a breakthough to the Caucuses!)
The Sturmoviks will be able to kill a hell of a lot of units this summer making the defence of your cities easier. But I just dont see this operation working AND being able to hold the cities you capture this summer.

Winter is a different matter of course.

EZRhino · June 6, 2003, 12:21

greeny is right, we need to fix our priorities. Pontoon bridge first, then whatever other offensive ventures we care to partake in.