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Yes, I would make use of this, but each individual's parents should have the choice to use it or not
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Yes, mandatory on a national scale
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No, it should be illegal to do so
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I would like Genetically Engineered Homosexual Banans
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May 2, 2003, 19:34
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If Genetic Engineering could 'eliminate' homosexuality...
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Would you be in favour of Genetic Engineering being used to 'eliminate' homosexuality and other 'non-heterosexual' traits in fetuses?
Imagine that it would occur early in the development of the fetus...it could be 'checked' for genetic traits that lead to non-heterosexuality, and have these removed...if it were cheap, 100% safe, and had no other known side effects, would you favour it?
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May 2, 2003, 19:38
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Re: If Genetic Engineering could 'eliminate' homosexuality...
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Would you be in favour of Genetic Engineering being used to 'eliminate' homosexuality and other 'non-heterosexual' traits in fetuses?
Imagine that it would occur early in the development of the fetus...it could be 'checked' for genetic traits that lead to non-heterosexuality, and have these removed...if it were cheap, 100% safe, and had no other known side effects, would you favour it?
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Just think how great the world would be if everyone were bi-sexual 
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May 2, 2003, 19:41
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Why would we want to eliminate heterosexuality?
Look at the poll question.
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May 2, 2003, 19:42
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whoops!
a little help?
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May 2, 2003, 19:49
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Genetic engineer couldn't eliminate homosexuality since homosexuality isn't caused by genitics. Atleast that's what most of the experts say...
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May 2, 2003, 19:52
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Genetic engineer couldn't eliminate homosexuality since homosexuality isn't caused by genitics. Atleast that's what most of the experts say...
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Yup, I also share the views of experts, so the question serves only hypothetical (and therefore ethical, not practical) purpose.
In other words, IF
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Imagine that it would occur early in the development of the fetus...it could be 'checked' for genetic traits that lead to non-heterosexuality, and have these removed...if it were cheap, 100% safe, and had no other known side effects
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No, I wouldn't make use of this, but others should have the choice available
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May 2, 2003, 19:52
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Medication for homosexuality is said to be on the way within the next 20 years. All a matter of whether or not the individual wishes to take it, though
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May 2, 2003, 19:58
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Why would we want to eliminate heterosexuality?
Look at the poll question.
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obviously a slip of the freudian persuasion. 
the problem with this poll is you're basically
1. assuming homosexuality is 100% genetic
2. homosexuality is a genetic "defect"
but hell, i'd support eugenics for far worse purposes 
also, this couldn't be world-wide, unless u're somehow doing "real-time" genetic manipulation, which i dont think we can do just yet.
in all honesty, if i was having a baby genetically engineered in the first place, i'd probably ask them to rule out homosexuality. thats just personal opinion though.
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May 2, 2003, 20:21
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Originally posted by Zylka
Medication for homosexuality is said to be on the way within the next 20 years. All a matter of whether or not the individual wishes to take it, though
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For some reason I doubt the validity of this.
Homosexuality has been around since the first civilizations.. yet there is going to be "medication"? Wake up zylka, homosexuality is not an illness and you cannot "cure" it.
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May 2, 2003, 20:26
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Genetic engineer couldn't eliminate homosexuality since homosexuality isn't caused by genitics. Atleast that's what most of the experts say...
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I heard that there is a gene for homosexuality....
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May 2, 2003, 20:27
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even if it wasn't an illness it doesn't mean medication wouldn't have an impact on it fez.
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May 2, 2003, 20:30
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even if it wasn't an illness it doesn't mean medication wouldn't have an impact on it fez.
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Well even if there is any, I wouldn't take it. I wanna be myself.
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May 2, 2003, 20:33
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Bacterial disease, mental illness, etc have been around since the first civilizations as well. Not all afflictions are seen as that, so it's the individual who decides whether or not downing the pill is a "cure"
You've decided it isn't, you won't take it a bedtime. Fair enough
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May 2, 2003, 20:34
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Mandatory on a national scale.
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May 2, 2003, 20:36
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Bacterial disease, mental illness, etc have been around since the first civilizations as well. Not all afflictions are seen as that, so it's the individual who decides whether or not downing the pill is a "cure"
You've decided it isn't, you won't take it a bedtime. Fair enough
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But homosexuality is not a mental illness or disease.
I am this way.. not some pill is gonna screw up my brain...
Lazerus.. why?
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How do I get a genetically engineered banana?
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Re: Re: If Genetic Engineering could 'eliminate' homosexuality...
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Just think how great the world would be if everyone were bi-sexual
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I'd vote for it if they only made the women bi-sexual.
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I can't be bothered repeating myself Fez, theres so many threads like this and the arguements never change
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But homosexuality is not a mental illness or disease.
I am this way.. not some pill is gonna screw up my brain...
Lazerus.. why?
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Fez: There are a handful of homosexual doctors who have gone out to prove homosexuality is genetic and not a mental disorder. The problem is that's not the scientific method; you don't choice what you want to prove and then set out to prove it instead you are supposed to look at the evidience and simply follow it. I'm not an expert but all of the major "sex experts" on TV, radio, or in print keep saying Homosexuality isn't genetic.
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May 2, 2003, 20:46
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I can't be bothered repeating myself Fez, theres so many threads like this and the arguements never change
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Religious argument, let me guess?
Oerdin: Homosexuality is not a mental disorder. The only mental disorder I might have is complusive disorder.. but that is entirely a different issue...
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We're you ever abused when you were young? That's a serious question and not a put down. Most of the major "sexperts" (for lack of a better term) say most homosexuals have some sort of event in their past which caused them to get their "wires crossed" as it were.
I'm just repeating what I have read & heard supposed experts say but it seems plausable.
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Just think how great the world would be if everyone were bi-sexual
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Oerdin: Homosexuality is not a mental disorder. The
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I'm not an expert but all of the major "sex experts" on TV, radio, or in print keep saying Homosexuality isn't genetic.
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I'm not an expert either in this, because I think it's fairly irrelevant.
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Most of the major "sexperts" (for lack of a better term) say most homosexuals have some sort of event in their past which caused them to get their "wires crossed" as it were.
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Which is a load of crap in my opinion.
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I'm just repeating what I have read & heard supposed experts say but it seems plausable.
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Seems plausable? Get real. If you were in my shoes you would know.
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No Fez im slightly religious but not a zealot ... you're drawing me in  im gonna goto bed now instead.
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I understand... but am just wondering.. even some religious moderates or whatever you may say, use religion as the reason to say why homosexuality is bad.
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I've been gone too long.... Fez is fighting FOR homosexuals? What? I come back for about a month each year or so... its the same people, but I guess there has been allot of change.
Anyway.
I believe it should be illegal. Why? Because what difference does it make? Its like asking "if you could stop black people from being born... would you?" The answer for that is a clear... no. Why isn't the answer so clear on this? Its because of personal bias and ignorance. Ignorant of their own ignorance! I don't hate them (the ones that voted to eliminate homosexuals), its more of a pity than anything else.
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1) I am homosexual. And guess what? I even have a boyfriend. Your jaw drop?
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I wouldn't use it, but I'd let the choice to other people. I might use it on one son, so that my family name lives on, but don't quote me on that.
However, should the world enter a low-demographics period, I'd probably favor it of being mandatory, except if new way to reproduce are engineered.
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Fez, if you had only one point to make, why did you number it 1?
Simple things amuse me. =)
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Fez, if you had only one point to make, why did you number it 1?
Simple things amuse me. =)
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What should of I said? You got a very unique name here...
So are you surprised about this at all?
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