Welcome Functions, one and all, to the wonderful world of the CyCon

[Drogue]

Greetings all, this is I, Prime Function Drogue Beta-8 and the inaugural post of our private forum.

I am trying to add all members ATM, and when that is done, I will post the PM I sent to Corellion, that Maniac asked me to post.

Welcome to the Cybernetic Consciousness. I wish you logic and strength, we will need both in this troubled time ahead.

- Prime Function Drogue Beta-8
- 01010000011100100110100101101101011001010010000001 00011001110101011011100110001101110100011010010110 11110110111000100000010001000111001001101111011001 11011101010110010100100000010000100110010101110100 011000010010110100111000

[Maniac]

Woohoo! I'm the second poster in this forum!
Anyway, are those ones and zeroes really your name? How have you converted it?

[Drogue]

Yes, those ones and zeros say Drogue Beta-8, although I haven't done Prime Function yet. It came from the site that FlameFLash linked, can't remember it though

Edit: The website is http://plinko.net/binary/toenglish.asp

Useful Binary Phrases:
Cybernetic Consciousness = 01000011011110010110001001100101011100100110111001 10010101110100011010010110001100100000010000110110 11110110111001110011011000110110100101101111011101 010111001101101110011001010111001101110011

CyCon = 0100001101111001010000110110111101101110

Prime Function Drogue Beta-8 (the 8 comes out as < for some reason) = 01010000011100100110100101101101011001010010000001 00011001110101011011100110001101110100011010010110 11110110111000100000010001000111001001101111011001 11011101010110010100100000010000100110010101110100 011000010010110100111000

[Maniac]

Brilliant! And with http://plinko.net/binary/tobinary.asp you can do the opposite.
But if we use this binary code in the general forum, it won't last long before it is decrypted, as FlameFlash already guessed the ones and zeroes actually meant something. Therefore I'd suggest that we add a few ones and zeroes at the beginning of each encrypted message, let's say four or five random 0's and 1's. If the third digit is 0, you have to remove the first four digits before transforming the message to English. If the third digit is 1, you have to remove the first five digits before transforming to English. The first, second, fourth and possibly fifth digits should be random, to avoid the other from too easily noticing a system in our encryption.

Does that sound ok, or am I making it too complicated?

[Drogue]

Wow, I like it. Nice code. Although a simpler one could be simply to make it one random character on monday, 2 on tuesday, 3 on wenesday.... until 7 on sunday?

Although either is fine

[Method]

woohoo! hurray for private fora!



should we maybe make some sort of citizen registry with IM contacts time zones, etc?

[Drogue]

Great idea, I'll set it up (and work out how to top it )

[Maniac]

In my previous post I wrote http://plinko.net/binary/toenglish.asp . That should be http://plinko.net/binary/tobinary.asp

[Method]

01101000011001010111100100101100001000000111010001 10100001101001011100110010000001110100011010000110 10010110111001100111001000000110100101110011001000 00011100000111001001100101011101000111010001111001 00100000011000110110111101101111011011000010000000 1110100110001101101111011011110110110000111010

[Maniac]

01001001001000000110001101101111011101010110110001 10010001101110011000000111010000100000011000010110 01110111001001100101011001010010000001101101011011 11011100100110010100101110001000000100000101101100 01101100001000000111001101101000011011110111010101 10110001100100001000000110001001100101001000000110 01100110100101101110011001010010000001100001011100 11001000000110110001101111011011100110011100100000 01100001011100110010000001110111011001010010000001 10010001101111011011100110000001110100001000000110 01100110111101110010011001110110010101110100001000 00011101000110111100100000011000010110010001100100 00100000011101000110100001100101001000000110010101 11100001110100011100100110000100100000011001010110 11100110001101110010011110010111000001110100011010 01011011110110111000100000011011000110010101110110 01100101011011000010000001101001011011100010000001 11010001101000011001010010000001100111011001010110 11100110010101110010011000010110110000100000011001 100110111101110010011101010110110100101110

[Drogue]

01101010101110110010101101100011011000010110000100 00001110111011010000110000101110100001000000110100 00110000101110000011100000110010101101110011100110 01000000110100101100110001000000100100100100000011 10000011101010111010000100000011101000110100001101 00101110011001000000111011101101001011101000110100 00010000000110101001000000111001001100001011011100 11001000110111101101101001000000110111101101110011 00101011100110010000001101111011011100111010001101 00001100101001000000110011001110010011011110110111 00111010000101110001000000010000001000100011011110 11001010111001100100000011010010111010000100000011 10011011101000110100101101100011011000010000001110 10001110010011000010110111001110011011011000110000 1011101000110010100111111

[Drogue]

it works!! The encryption works completely. Do it like that, then take of first 5 characters.

[Maniac]

j+caaCíCââ+sÖK1Iâ½íúCKÖKúAôs#{i{s+Ö{súC)3ô{síq#{+Ö KíúKcaúôscú)

It gave me this. The encryption method works sufficiently IMHO.

[Drogue]

Take the first 5 out, and it should work.

I have let Bookwyrm in, and Googlie also, as CMN, he said he will not much much if at all, but would like to keep track of things. I trust no objections?

[Maniac]

Of course not. Btw Drogue, just so you know, most of the time I immediately put myself to "Appear Off-line" on MSN because I'm busy with other things on the Internet. So don't be surprised if you don't see me often.

[Drogue]

Ok, I'm almost always on MSN. I like the post on the forum

I have another idea for encryption. If you put binary into a english-binary translator, you get more longer binary out. Like

00110000001100010011000000110000001100000011000100 11000000110000001100000011000100110001001100010011 00000011000000110001001100000011000000110001001100 01001100000011000100110001001100010011000100110000 00110001001100010011000000110000001100010011000100 11000100110000001100010011000100110001001100000011 00010011000000110001001100000011000100110001001100 0000110000001100010011000000110001

for instance. That is Drogue, double translated. It works too

[Maniac]

I hadn't thought of that yet! Cool! Though a downside is it dramatically increased the number of digits required. Even single-encrypted, the binary message is already longer than the English message.

Edit: Oh btw, there's a spelling mistake in your signature. Consciousness written as Consciouness.

[Drogue]

Very true, and thanks, I missed that

[Method]

i like the first way better since it's easier, but just imagine what those universitians would think if they put that binary into the translator and got more binary out.

"WTF? so they can actually read binary afterall? "

[Drogue]

If you put the first, Maniac's way, you get characters out. If you double encrypt, the latter way, then you get binary out. I say use Maniac's for most, but on occasions, double may work better, if we need extra encryption, but for a small sentance.

[Maniac]

TKG, in the general forum, the third digit was a zero, but I had to remove five digits to get a sensical message. So if we follow the method I proposed, it should have been a 1.

[Drogue]

I sent that to him in code, in the forum, with only 4, and with a 0. See if it confuses him

[Method]

yeah, i didn't read carefully enough. i think i get it now

[Bookwyrm]

Therefore I'd suggest that we add a few ones and zeroes at the beginning of each encrypted message, let's say four or five random 0's and 1's. If the third digit is 0, you have to remove the first four digits before transforming the message to English. If the third digit is 1, you have to remove the first five digits before transforming to English. The first, second, fourth and possibly fifth digits should be random, to avoid the other from too easily noticing a system in our encryption.

11010101001101101111011101010110111001100100011100 11001000000110011101101111011011110110010000101110

[Drogue]

I see Function Book has got it too

Welcome to Corellion, who is also now authorised. Only waiting for DBTS, before all original members are authorised

[Maniac]

I don't know where to post this, so I'll just ask it in our first thread here:
Drogue, what is our faction password?

[Drogue]

it's byte. Sorry I forgot to tell you sooner.

[Corellion]

01010100011101110010011001010110010101110100011010 01011011100110011101110011001000000110011001100101 01101100011011000110111101110111011100110010111000 10000000100000010010010111010000100000011011000110 11110110111101101011011100110010000001101100011010 01011010110110010100100000011101000110100001101001 01110011001000000111000001110010011011110110011101 11001001100001011011010110110101100101001000000111 01000111001001110101011011010111000001110011001000 00011011010110100101101110011001010010111000100000 00100000010011110110100000100000011101110110010101 10110001101100001011000010000001110100011010000110 10010111001100100000011010010111001100100000011011 01011101010110001101101000001000000110001001100101 01110100011101000110010101110010001000000110000101 10111001111001011101110110000101111001011100110010 0001

[Corellion]

For the encryption, the methods so far are good, but they seem a little easy to crack. TKG's mistake illustrates how easily, if someone gets the idea in their head, one can decipher the encryption. All they need to do is delete a digit and try, delete another and try, and continue until the message makes sense. Putting binary in and getting it out is good, but it's a simple matter to translate it again if somebody can translate it initially. Plus, the length is incredible... you multiply the number of characters by 64 to get that! I would suggest something more along the lines of the following...

Choose a number and convert it to binary through straight number conversions, not the binary converter. Make it a number less than or equal to 7, and keep adding extra zeros to the beginning until it's three digits long. This means the first three digits of each message will be the binary equivilent of a decimal number between 1 and 7, and the binary converters won't work on it. Then add x random digits after the number, where x is the number you chose. Finally, add a random digit after the xth digit of the actual translation.

In order to decrypt, just figure out what number the first three digits represent. Then, figure out the number, delete it, and delete the first x digits of the message after that, where x was the number you just decoded. After that, delete the digit after the xth digit in the message. This should thwart the people who delete numbers progressively.

Here's an example... Let's choose the message akizeta. Choose a number between 1 and 7, like 5. In binary, this comes out as 101. akizeta in binary is 01100001011010110110100101111010011001010111010001 100001
So, add 101 plus five random digits after and it becomes
10110100011000010110101101101001011110100110010101 11010001100001.
Then, add another random digit after the fifth digit of akizeta normally, and you get

10110100011001001011010110110100101111010011001010 111010001100001

This comes out as complete garbage in any translator, and randomly deleting digits won't work. They won't get any sense out of it, and because the inserted random digit is less than 8, they won't get even a single proper character.

The only drawback is that it might be too complicated.

Am I paranoid?

[Drogue]

Of course you are incapable of paranoia but that is too complicated IMHO.

How about we modulate it by the day, but add to the front and the back. So for Monday, we add 1 digit at the front and back, turesday we add 2, and so on. That way it changes each day, and you cannot just delete ones at the front or the back. So if someone cracks it, they have it cracked for a day, and then get confused again the next day Besides, I'm not sure people will really care that much to try for that long. But we could alter the code completely once per month, in case someone does get the pattern, although it would take them a while.