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View Poll Results: What to do?
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Invade Norway and try to capture Hammerfest, using 3 red guards.
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Stay on the defensive and do nothing.
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I have a better plan.
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Murmansk, is that part of Russia???
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May 16, 2003, 16:29
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Prince
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What to do next in the Murmansk Front?
Some plans have been formed and I need your vote on which one I should take. Please choose and if you have a better one, just post it.
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May 16, 2003, 16:55
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Emperor
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I demand a banana option!
Seriously though, let's try it out
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May 16, 2003, 17:27
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Prince
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The last one is supposed to be the banana option.
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Alexandr Yopov, Commander of the Murmansk front in the Red Front democracy game. Fighting for the glory of our marchal and the Rodina.
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May 16, 2003, 18:28
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Prince
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Unleash the dogs of war!
(paid for by your generous Comrades at the Economic Ministary of the Soviet Union)
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May 16, 2003, 19:16
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Prince
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Invade Finland, if you capture Helshinky, all Russia have +1 happy citizen, and take Hammerfest too, we need the convoys.
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May 16, 2003, 19:42
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King
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Helsinky: Probably too late since Helsinky may have produced coastal fortress. At the beginning of the war it has no coastal defense so 4 vet cruisers can take out all defenders.
Hammerfest: not a strategic target. It is better just fortify units on tough terrian and let the enemy waste their units attacking them.
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May 16, 2003, 20:32
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Deity
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May 16, 2003, 23:21
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King
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Xin Yu sighting +1
I prefer the idea of drawing the U-boats out with a bomber stack, next spring.
I'm concerned that Hammerfest may not fall so easily to 3 RG units. I'm not sure we have the time or the firepower to capture the city so easily. Others might know that the city is lightly defended from previous games, but I have no such knowledge, so it seems like a longshot.
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May 17, 2003, 00:00
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Deity
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Lets just say my spies tell me it is usually lightly defended.
This has been dicussed at lenght in the Murmansk thread.
The benefits greatly outweight the costs.
This could pay big dividends in getting our convoys to Soviet soil safely.
Although we should also do what the old guy suggested
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May 17, 2003, 00:19
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Prince
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Three Red Guards, even at 50/50 chance of taking the city, should be attempted. Those convoys will give many rubles to the war effort, and later good defensive armored infantry will take the same root.
That said, it seems as though the bomber/cruiser stack would be based out of the UK. No reason we cannot do this simulteneaously if people believe it is not a cheat.
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May 17, 2003, 00:26
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May 17, 2003, 00:28
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Originally posted by yop73
The last one is supposed to be the banana option.
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What? There is no banana, this is heresy! Im getting Comrade Alsahafsky and Comrade Michealovitch to check out this thread immediately!
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May 17, 2003, 04:25
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Prince
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Attack comrades
Many of you have been guilty of retreat, retreat & panic mongering, now winter is the time to redeam yourselves. It will be a poor commander indeed that doesn't take back/create a city or two.
There are medals to be won!
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May 17, 2003, 04:32
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if we are just going to use 3 red guards let´s go and try it out, there will be more benefits...
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May 17, 2003, 08:32
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King
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I'll go along with the rest of the recommendations, since there is so much support for the attack.
But remember comrades... the people will not look kindly on a general whose winter offesnive lasts into the spring, leaving good Soviet soldiers exposed to the Stukas.
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May 17, 2003, 08:45
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Prince
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I didn't say I was going to hold them during spring and summer, but the attack will *probably* interrup German plans in the summer for convoy-bashing.
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Alexandr Yopov, Commander of the Murmansk front in the Red Front democracy game. Fighting for the glory of our marchal and the Rodina.
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May 17, 2003, 09:07
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Deity
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Originally posted by yop73
I didn't say I was going to hold them during spring and summer, but the attack will *probably* interrup German plans in the summer for convoy-bashing.
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Exactly! This plan will succeed if attacks against convoys are disrupted. IF we Hold Hammerfest that will be a bonus but right now the goal is German attack on convoy disruption.
Glory in battle is fine, capturing and holding cities is fine.
But remember one thing Comrades in War the Amatuers talk about Strategy and the Experts talk Logistics. Because without Logistics there IS NO WAR MAKING ABILITY!
Thats what these convoys are all about enhancing our logistics capability.
You know what you are doing YOP. Just make sure you stay at least one hex away from those ships!
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May 17, 2003, 09:29
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Prince
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No banana option AND asking if Murmansk is part of the Rodina? Comrade Yopov, are you sure you haven't got an attack of insanity? We know you as a very good commander, but this is no excuse for talking like this! An apology should be made to the brave citizens of Russia and Murmansk in particular!
For all other people here, our brave soldiers will voluntarily die for the Rodina, IF this is necesaary! We will do our best to save them, but the country and the Party come first! Let there be no doubt about that.
For Russia and the Party!
Last edited by Bossy20000; June 3, 2003 at 09:12.
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May 17, 2003, 10:04
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King
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Attack Hammerfest if you want, I'll be waiting to see what happens when summer comes around. I think it doesn't serve any benefit whatsoever and Hammerfest will be nondefendable in the summer when the germans regain their strength. Yes, you may gain money, and sure it is better than inactivity, so I guess go for it, but if it fails don't be surprised
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May 17, 2003, 10:20
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Prince
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If it fails, I at least can say that I tried.
It's better to try something and to see it failed than just wait and sit till the Germans are all over the place.
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Alexandr Yopov, Commander of the Murmansk front in the Red Front democracy game. Fighting for the glory of our marchal and the Rodina.
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May 17, 2003, 10:37
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Deity
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Originally posted by The ANZAC
Attack Hammerfest if you want, I'll be waiting to see what happens when summer comes around. I think it doesn't serve any benefit whatsoever and Hammerfest will be nondefendable in the summer when the germans regain their strength. Yes, you may gain money, and sure it is better than inactivity, so I guess go for it, but if it fails don't be surprised
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Im just kind of curious comrade do you understand the concept of a diversion?
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May 17, 2003, 12:06
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King
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Damn! I knew they missed something in the People's Officer Training Corps teaching curriculum! Uh-oh, hope I don't get purged for that....
yeah, I undersand, but will it really draw off german units? It won't draw units from the main fronts in Mother Russia and although it may help convoys nearing murmansk, it will do little to relieve those farther out in the atlantic.
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May 17, 2003, 12:19
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Deity
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Originally posted by The ANZAC
yeah, I undersand, but will it really draw off german units? It won't draw units from the main fronts in Mother Russia and although it may help convoys nearing murmansk, it will do little to relieve those farther out in the atlantic.
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Thats the hope, even if all the Red Guards get strafed and destroyed in one turn. That effectily takes them out of attacking convoys for the that turn and the next turn because they will return to base to heal.
Since we lost our first TWO convoys (2 trade units and 2 armored cars total) if we take the pressure off for two turns that would be a great help.
Plus That Devil Hitler will have a $hit fit if we actually capture Hammerfest! Now isn't that a delightfull thought!
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May 17, 2003, 12:29
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Prince
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Plus, if we get the battle for hammerfest going for some time, the city might disappear, leaving the Germans with no close airbase! This would benefit the Murmansk front greatly! We need the money these convoys bring us, plus the extra military units (we could use these to attack Finnland AND reinforce Leningrad and the surrounding cities.
We should at least try it!
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May 17, 2003, 15:01
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King
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I stand corrected
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May 17, 2003, 15:23
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Prince
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So, with everybody in favor of the attack, I'll do it.
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May 17, 2003, 15:53
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Prince
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Go for it comrade, the thoughts of the Rodina will be with you and your men.
For the Rodina and the Party!
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May 17, 2003, 22:19
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Prince
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I understand the attack will only be of two Red Guards, their comrades too weak to move. If they go, our prayers .... errr.... "will" goes with them.
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May 17, 2003, 23:16
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Prince
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For some reason AI stukas dont need to land every turn.
They will still be able to attack convoys.
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May 17, 2003, 23:31
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Deity
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Really they dont have to land. Thats EVIL!
Go here for comments on this plan.
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...27#post2008127
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