France issues 'please explain' to US - Page 10

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:37

Liberty is a french woman

SlowwHand · May 17, 2003, 17:37

OR, I could let Lefty grill your young ass.

The Mad Monk · May 17, 2003, 17:38

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Yes?

...

I love you, man.

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:39

"How much time did it take you to type out a dissertation filled with crap"

You call it "crap" but you fail to back up your own position, resorting instead to slogans, illogic, irrational statements, and witty quotes. If you cannot use reason to justify your position, then you may use such frivolous means to justifiy it to yourself, but it loses any validity an any objective context.

SlowwHand · May 17, 2003, 17:39

I do, too.
Don't let that get in the way of a juicy debate, though.

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:40

We all love Che!

Lefty Scaevola · May 17, 2003, 17:40

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Originally posted by elijah
Liberty is a french woman

The French version, acording to Marshall Leferbvre in 1806.

"We have to give you liberty, equality and fraternity, and any one of you that moves without my leave will be shot"

SlowwHand · May 17, 2003, 17:41

Actually, Liberty is dog-ass ugly.
It's what she represents that's beautiful.

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:41

Debate? Slanging match!! I have yet to find someone who supports this war who can back up his position in an intelligent reasoned way! Says something about the strength and validity of that argument!

Ned · May 17, 2003, 17:42

Elijah, That post was too long to digest.

However, is it your position that the people of Iraq do not want liberty?

chequita guevara · May 17, 2003, 17:42

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Originally posted by Ned
Our price to the British for our support was an end to colonialism. (We had to be seen as fighting for Democracy, not for a British Empire.) We never got that same agreement with the French. After the war was over, the French alone among our allies wanted to keep their colonies.

That's an amazing rewriting of history. You taking lessons from the Iraqi minister of Information? We handed Indochina back to the French because we felt that France needed to retain their empire in order to better resist communism. Britain didn't decolonize because it wanted to do so. In Palestine, in India, in Africa, in Malaysia, Britain was faced with anti-colonial struggles. Half of Britain's overseas troops were in Palestine. Israel was Britain's "Vietnam" and there was simply no way they could hold on to India if they decided to stop listening to Ghandi, so they just cut the best deal they could get. Some fights Britain won, some they lost, but they didn't just decolonize because of the US.

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:42

Hey!!! That was my adolescent w*nking ammo your disrespecting!!! TAKE IT BACK!

SlowwHand · May 17, 2003, 17:42

Slanging match ? Is that for distance, or what ?

gsmoove23 · May 17, 2003, 17:43

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Originally posted by elijah
Liberty is a french woman

Happiness is a french woman. Will someone help me in my quest to find a french wife?

HershOstropoler · May 17, 2003, 17:43

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Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
Seriously defective on your history. The first French republic was 16 years after the USA republic, and there was much more democratic process under the British contituional monarchary, more than a centruy earlier, than their was under most forms of the French First Repubic.

Indeed. I guess he meant Venice, about 1000 years of Republic before the US.

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:43

Flame-war, whatever u wanna call it.... conversation with lack of reason... hell i should write my own dictionary!

Menlas · May 17, 2003, 17:44

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
How much time did it take you to type out a dissertation filled with crap?

Should I dismantle point-by-point, or leave that to Doc, who won't be as nice in doing it ?

Honestly, Sloww, I don't think you are even able to "dismantle it point-by-point".

SlowwHand · May 17, 2003, 17:45

At least you take the ribbing with good grace, Elijah.

HershOstropoler · May 17, 2003, 17:45

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
We'll never know now.

"You can't be serious."

DinoDoc · May 17, 2003, 17:45

elijah: Long dissertation posts tend to get ignored as a general rule. If you feel the need to continue to post them, take a page from MtG's book and make them fun to read.

Ned · May 17, 2003, 17:45

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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Look Ned, you are spouting so much historical bullshit that it almost hurts physically.

"the French alone among our allies wanted to keep their colonies."

And Britain, after the decolonization of India in 1947, had a strategy of maintaining its colonies west of Suez.

"The fought in Africa and in SE Asia. They retook the Suez canal."

And Britain had nothing to do with the Suez adventure? Britain was not fighting in say Kenya?

"our overall policy was still anti-colonialism"

Yes, you always preferred indirect control as a method of imperialism. Usually it is the better way.

I agree that Britain did keep many of its colonies. But I still maintain that US policy was anti-colonialism and we pressed that policy to the extent we could.

The question is whether the French right turned anti-American because of it?

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:45

"is it your position that the people of Iraq do not want liberty?"

Not at all. All cultures evolve towards a more libertarian position. Im saying that they shuold not be pushed. They want liberty (i assume), but they want it their way, an Arab, Muslim way, not a Western judeo-christian way.

The Mad Monk · May 17, 2003, 17:46

How about this:

English governmental traditions have been a slow evolution from monarchy to rule by the people, from the Magna Carta onward; Americans extended that to the next logical step.

French governmental traditions have been a slow evolution toward ever-greater absolutism, until people sick of the mismanagement overthrew everything, started a democracy that rapidly fell into mob rule, collapsed, and reverted to absolutism in another form for a time (Napoleon), after which it reverted to monarchy, for a time.

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:47

Sloww: I do my best at not taking myself too seriously!

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:48

"French governmental traditions have been a slow evolution toward ever-greater absolutism, until people sick of the mismanagement overthrew everything, started a democracy that rapidly fell into mob rule, collapsed, and reverted to absolutism in another form for a time (Napoleon), after which it reverted to monarchy, for a time"

You ever been to France?

HershOstropoler · May 17, 2003, 17:48

"The question is whether the French right turned anti-American because of it?"

In 1954, the US paid for 80 % of France's Indochina war. You think they hate you 50 years later for not paying 100 %?

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:48

Wheres my stuffed lizard?

SlowwHand · May 17, 2003, 17:49

You know this, "Who needs a motive if you're a nineteen year old cowboy with an automatic weapon surrounded by people you refer to as "rag-heads" - War of Art, demonstrating his keen insight of the American Soldier.", is a misspeak.

If a soldier has his weapon on auto, likely his position is being over-run, and he has all the motivation he requires.

Later!

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 17:50

"make them fun to read"

They are fun to read... if your not American, not communist, an environmentalist, an idealist, a philosophy lover........

chequita guevara · May 17, 2003, 17:50

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Originally posted by elijah
Wheres my stuffed lizard?

I have a Beanie Baby Komodo dragon on top of my monitor. Yes, that's right. It's a monitor lizard.