France issues 'please explain' to US - Page 12

notyoueither · May 17, 2003, 19:31

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Originally posted by cinch
NYE:

The French, some of the Euros, and Canada, you mean. Can't forget Canada.

Naw, the Canadian government doesn't even want to talk about it. If we say anything, we might offend somebody. That wouldn't be good. I mean, it was all the courage they could muster when they said 'we don't want to see Saddam win.' That was pretty out there.

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The 340 000 French soldiers who sacrificed their lives for their country were cowards, then?

I can understand being ticked off by the DeGaulle "Vive Le Quebec Libre" thing, but that is a little much, don't you think?

Yep. That was a bit over the top. To be fair though, in that exchange HO and I had the EU engaged in global nuclear warfare with the Russians and the Yanks. I think a lot of it was over the top.

The French people are fine. It's been their leaders that have been letting them down. Repeatedly. Seriously, how are their 'allies' supposed to take them when their leaders go around slapping each in the face in turn?

cinch · May 17, 2003, 19:34

NYE: I am satisfied with that response. I kinda regretted posting it at first, but I'm just glad I didn't offend a fellow Edmontonian.

Jaakko · May 17, 2003, 19:36

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Originally posted by DanS
Jaakko: The French actively worked against the US on the issue. DeVillepin was in Africa rounding up opposition to us on an issue that we viewed as vital to our national interests.

France was carrying Saddam's water.

Eh? So you're positing that the only two options in the Iraq crisis were to "tow the US line" or "be on Saddam's side?"

And you still haven't explained your reasoning.
I'd very much like for you to elaborate on how you arrived at such an exclusive conclusion on the possible motives and results of France's policy during the Iraq crisis.

Kidicious · May 17, 2003, 19:53

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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
We Euros have to make a couple decisions about our relationship with you. Hence the interest in the continuing degeneration of your political system.

Oh bull. Our political system isn't changing. It's the same as it ever was, and just like the rest of the democratic world.

It seems like you have already decided about us. The only thing that I'm trying to figure out is why you don't understand that we will have a bad taste in our mouths about it.

TOUGHUSAGUY · May 17, 2003, 20:04

I HATE FRANCE! I HATE FRANCE! EURO TRASH IS SO STUPID! WE LIEK TO TAKE OUT THE BAD GUY AND PUT IN THE GOOD GUY! IS WHAT WE DO IN IRAQ! IS THAT SO HARD TO PUT INTO YOUR LITTLE BRAIN???

THE PROBLEM WITH EUROPE AND FRANCE IS THAT THEY NO MORE HAVE THE BELIEVE IN GOD AND CHRISTIAN VALUES SO THEN THEY GET COMMUNIST!

FRENCH PEOPLE ARE GAY AND SHOULD WATCH THEIR MOUTHS OR ELSE WE BOMB THEM NEXT

(THERE'S AN IDEA..... )

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!

Lonestar · May 17, 2003, 20:07

Wee! A troll!

Lonestar · May 17, 2003, 20:08

...or a european guy trying to cuase trouble.

DAVOUT · May 17, 2003, 20:09

Not intending anylonger to convince anybody, I just recall the main dates of the French decolonization :

1954 Viet Nam
1960 Central Africa
1962 Algeria

All were done under the pressure of reality (last two by De Gaulle). Considering what happens after, I cant see how the Frenchs could be angry against the US because of that. At least, that makes another important subject on which De Gaulle agreed with the Americans.

Menlas · May 17, 2003, 20:13

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Originally posted by TOUGHUSAGUY
I HATE FRANCE! I HATE FRANCE! EURO TRASH IS SO STUPID! WE LIEK TO TAKE OUT THE BAD GUY AND PUT IN THE GOOD GUY! IS WHAT WE DO IN IRAQ! IS THAT SO HARD TO PUT INTO YOUR LITTLE BRAIN???

THE PROBLEM WITH EUROPE AND FRANCE IS THAT THEY NO MORE HAVE THE BELIEVE IN GOD AND CHRISTIAN VALUES SO THEN THEY GET COMMUNIST!

FRENCH PEOPLE ARE GAY AND SHOULD WATCH THEIR MOUTHS OR ELSE WE BOMB THEM NEXT

(THERE'S AN IDEA..... )

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!

Wooot !!

A DL, and a nice one ! Let's dance !

Kidicious · May 17, 2003, 20:15

I think it's Menlas

Cruddy · May 17, 2003, 20:15

Check his profile - John Major.

On the France thing, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Chirac demands the Statue of Liberty back next.

Menlas · May 17, 2003, 20:18

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Originally posted by Kidicious
I think it's Menlas

DAVOUT · May 17, 2003, 20:29

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Originally posted by Kidicious

The only thing that I'm trying to figure out is why you don't understand that we will have a bad taste in our mouths about it.

Problem

I have a bad taste in my mouth when I make a wrong decision, not when others act wrongly.

Either you think you made a wrong decision, or we biologically react differently, and then I cant see us agreeing anytime soon.

Yet I am not a leftist ...

DAVOUT · May 17, 2003, 20:34

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Originally posted by Cruddy
Check his profile - John Major.

On the France thing, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Chirac demands the Statue of Liberty back next.

Dont give him silly ideas, he would send back his own statue, just bigger

GePap · May 17, 2003, 20:36

It trully amazes me that garbage threads like this (didn't start like this, but turned into one right quick) can last so long! The geenral bias, ignorance, prejudice, its all just so amazing!

They all seem to work the same way: a group of self-righteous rightwingers get themselves nicely worked up on an anti-french froth, then some fool thinks they can reason with these people, and then it just degrades from there. These threads are always the same, and they lead to the same end, nowhere. i guess if this is how people want to waste energy, well, its thier business.

And in the long span of history, this little spat will mean as much as the Fashoda affair. (hmmm, what was that?)

Kidicious · May 17, 2003, 20:42

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Originally posted by DAVOUT

Problem

I have a bad taste in my mouth when I make a wrong decision, not when others act wrongly.

Either you think you made a wrong decision, or we biologically react differently, and then I cant see us agreeing anytime soon.

Yet I am not a leftist ...

I didn't make any wrong decision. I think Bush may have, but he is our president. He is entitled and required to make those decisions. If you or I don't like it we can complain, but why should we make things hard between our two countries for it? Just forget it. It was a legal decision made by a person required to make it.

DAVOUT · May 17, 2003, 20:48

So, we are really biologically different. I suspected something like that. It explains well that we do not produce the same result with the same argument.

Kidicious · May 17, 2003, 20:51

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Originally posted by DAVOUT
So, we are really biologically different. I suspected something like that. It explains well that we do not produce the same result with the same argument.

I suppose. I get mad at other people as well as myself. You say you don't. Whatever.

Jaakko · May 17, 2003, 20:55

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Originally posted by GePap

It trully amazes me that garbage threads like this (didn't start like this, but turned into one right quick) can last so long! The geenral bias, ignorance, prejudice, its all just so amazing!

They all seem to work the same way: a group of self-righteous rightwingers get themselves nicely worked up on an anti-french froth, then some fool thinks they can reason with these people, and then it just degrades from there. These threads are always the same, and they lead to the same end, nowhere. i guess if this is how people want to waste energy, well, its thier business.

And in the long span of history, this little spat will mean as much as the Fashoda affair. (hmmm, what was that?)

We're rubbernecking.

Odin · May 17, 2003, 20:57

People should't be bashing France, they should be bashing Chirac, the hyper-nationalist Degaulle want-to-be, if the Frenchies knew how he helped Saddam with nukes The french army would be in Bagdad with us. We shoulden't be harrassing the French people with boycotts, just embarrass the crap out of Chirac.

DAVOUT · May 17, 2003, 21:01

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Originally posted by Kidicious

I suppose. I get mad at other people as well as myself. You say you don't. Whatever.

It is not indifferent; I have the feeling that a part of the misunderstanding come from the passion poured by the Americains on the issue, whereas the Euros are able to analyze cooly the pros and cons.

The Americans and Euro tags are not proper, I should say the passionnates and the rationals.

Kidicious · May 17, 2003, 21:11

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Originally posted by DAVOUT
It is not indifferent; I have the feeling that a part of the misunderstanding come from the passion poured by the Americains on the issue, whereas the Euros are able to analyze cooly the pros and cons.

The Americans and Euro tags are not proper, I should say the passionnates and the rationals.

Well, we were\are under attack. Bush is responsible for preventing further attack. He gets to pick the plan and he will be responsible if it fails. That's just the way it works. So I don't know who is or isn't being rational. I just know that the system is working the way we planned it to.

GePap · May 17, 2003, 21:18

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Well, we were\are under attack. Bush is responsible for preventing further attack. He gets to pick the plan and he will be responsible if it fails. That's just the way it works. So I don't know who is or isn't being rational. I just know that the system is working the way we planned it to.

There are just so many things to say about this comment, so many!

Lets begin: Iraq has 0 to do with 9/11, (attacking Iraq does nothing to weaken Al qaeda, the ones that carried out 9/11, as this week shows), except ina a round about way: the American people would support the pres. attacking anywhere if they thought it would somehow make them safe post 9/11: 9/11 gave the admin. the excuse they needed to carry out policies they had pre-planned but could not have pushed politically otherwise.

2. "The system is working out like he planned it to"? Yeah, those folks in Bali, Moroco, Riyahd, tunis and so forth, well, they were part of the plan! Ohh, and I guess Bushed knew Osama and a large sectyion of the ladership would get away, or ..so forth and so on.

Iraq was, well, about Iraq, not 9/11. People who think Iraq is about 9/11 are overlooking some very BIG things along the way, and if they think attakcing Iraq will make us safer from Al qaeda, well, that is just another huge misconception.

DAVOUT · May 17, 2003, 21:24

I sympathize for the bad taste in your mouth.

TOUGHUSAGUY · May 17, 2003, 21:25

GEPAP - YOU ARE SO STUPID IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO BEGIN!

BUT THEN AGAIN YOUR FROM A LATIN COUNTRY SO I GUESS IT MAKES SENSE.................

DONT YOU HAVE SOMEONE'S HOUSE TO CLEAN OR SOMETHING??????

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!

DONT LIKE AMERICA? LEAVE.
LIKE AMERICA? VOTE BUSH.

GePap · May 17, 2003, 21:27

OK, time for a mod to ban this moron above , hopefully permanently, and if it is a DL, to get the genius (can such a person be called that?) behind it and ban them for some time.

notyoueither · May 17, 2003, 21:37

I like how those who are anti-war are rational (and dispassionate, I would assume). Those who see a purpose to it are passionate (and irrational, no doubt).

Or, as the guy earlier seemed to think, anyone agreeing with him is objective. Those who disagree are being subjective.

Or the French being quite right in stating their views and preferences, and pushing aggressively for them; while the Yanks are being just plain silly in expressing their views and preferences...

Tis funny.

GePap · May 17, 2003, 21:41

Pro-war people become irrational when they get themselves worked up on an anti-french froth, just like anyone is irrational if they work themselves up on some 'rage' againt something.

So yes, the irrationality in this thread is quite real, and more pathetic than funny, really.

notyoueither · May 17, 2003, 21:42

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Originally posted by cinch
NYE: I am satisfied with that response. I kinda regretted posting it at first, but I'm just glad I didn't offend a fellow Edmontonian.

np. Takes a bit more for me to take offence after long enough hanging out in such dens of blather.

notyoueither · May 17, 2003, 21:47

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Originally posted by GePap
Pro-war people become irrational when they get themselves worked up on an anti-french froth, just like anyone is irrational if they work themselves up on some 'rage' againt something.

So yes, the irrationality in this thread is quite real, and more pathetic than funny, really.

Anti-war people become irrational when they get themselves worked up on an anti-Bush froth, just like anyone is irrational if they work themselves up on some 'rage' againt something.

So yes, the irrationality in other threads is quite real, and more pathetic than funny, really.