RAH rules V: Attack of the Ferrets - Page 5

Sparrowhawk · July 1, 2003, 20:29

Though I thought my post above was quite clear:

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Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
Can I assume by the fact that Cold Wizard's post at the start doesn't say anything about Unit Bribing that it is therefore allowed under Rah rules?

I got this response:

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Originally posted by Rah
Yes Allowed, read the first post in the thread and all the rules are listed

So I went back and read again, but still don't see it in the rules post (the first post)...

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Originally posted by ColdWizard
2. Special stipulations
2a. Not Allowed: Taking too long on your turn without good reason, Stealing Shields (see section 5.), unsinkable boats and non-crashing aircraft, contact with ai (see below), city bribes (see below), alliances, wonder trading, unit teleporting (includes caravans), tech trading, blatant cheats (map peeking, non-unit creation, sabotage proofing, cheat-o-matic, lag-related cheats, etc.), caravan re-homing, selling improvements/disbanding units after losing the city/unit, building the Great Wall in games of 3 players or less, hard feelings.

Contact with AI - One more addition when someone drops and the AI takes over. You many not initiate contact and you must refuse all contact with the AI.

NO city bribe - If the barbs take a city, you OR anyone else may bribe it. BUT, If someone drops out of the game and the AI takes over, and bribes one of your cities. Only the person that owned the city may bribe it back, since it normally shouldn't have been bribed in the first place. AND others should refrain from conquering the city until the original players has taken back control.

2b. Allowed: Incessant whining (see below), automated settlers, incremental buying, black clicking, tech stealing agreements, trade agreements (to allow caravans to be delivered), all other player arrangements (any agreements can broken when advantageous), all wonders (Great Wall is only allowed in games with 4 or more players, other wonders may be banned in duels on player agreement), pre-worked settlers, selling improvements/disbanding units before losing the city/unit, diploguiding, Scouse Gits' Magic Hut Finder Program (see below).

Perhaps this would be a good thing to add to the next thread (as in our game on Saturday, I kept checking to see if Ming left any of his units alone (i.e. not stacked) so that I had the option of bribing (and of course he was not foolish enough to do so) but I am not sure if I would have bribed had there been one that was not stacked, as I was unsure as to the rule)

Just a point, and while it is now clear to me, I am not sure it will be clear to others in the future without changing the first post.

Sparrowhawk

atawa · July 1, 2003, 22:25

No matter if its a duel, 3 or 4-way, people will always whine

War4ever · July 2, 2003, 00:30

especially Ming!!!!!!!!

rah · July 2, 2003, 08:19

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Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
So I went back and read again, but still don't see it in the rules post (the first post)...

Yes, you are correct, I just naturally assumed it was there. One could make a case that since it's part of the normal play of the game and not listed in the not allowed that it is allowed. But you are right. It's too important of a designation for it only to be inferred.

Cold Wizard. If you see this through all the comments

COULD YOU PLEASE ADD UNIT BRIBING IN THE ALLOWED SECTION.

Thanks.

RAH

War4ever · July 2, 2003, 16:24

we have an allowed section......haha.....if i don't see something in the not allowed section i feel free to use it.... but in this case, better safe than having Alexanders Horse start crying over bribing units

Hydey · July 2, 2003, 21:46

@ War4

rah · July 3, 2003, 08:14

, yeah, I was thinking that but just couldn't say it.

War4ever · July 3, 2003, 14:52

why couldn't u say it

AH dishes out as much as anyone else .....hes a thick skinned lad......

Ming · July 3, 2003, 15:04

What a brutal crowd

rah · July 3, 2003, 15:21

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Originally posted by War4ever
why couldn't u say it

AH dishes out as much as anyone else .....hes a thick skinned lad......

Yeah, i guess you're right. But it's been one of those days at the office were All I've been doing is saying "BE NICE" so I guess it kind of wore off on me.

Rich

War4ever · July 4, 2003, 19:58

wuss

ColdWizard · July 6, 2003, 05:14

updated, unit bribing is in under allowed (2b.), warrior --> musket dumped in section 2c.

rah · July 7, 2003, 08:25

Thanks. I'm impressed that you found it buried along with everything else here.

Ming · July 7, 2003, 09:53

Yeah... good work CW

ColdWizard · July 7, 2003, 11:09

Did a search on my name the other day and the post showed up at the top of list

rah · July 7, 2003, 12:17

Then, I'm lucky I used your full name in the request instead of just CW. I'll remember that for the future.

Hydey · July 8, 2003, 06:14

So there is a way to search through the spa, I mean conversation about the game.

War4ever · July 8, 2003, 09:29

well it would be tough, but i think you can find some things about gardening in a thread i started

rah · July 8, 2003, 09:35

Actually this one wasn't as bad as the last one. If you read through it there is considerable disccusion of the game.

War4ever · July 8, 2003, 10:03

admist the rubble there is always some sort of sentence structure......

i think most of us are just disappointed that civ3 bombed and we have to vent our frustrations...

so we talk about our favorite game here

ColdWizard · July 8, 2003, 11:01

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Originally posted by rah
Then, I'm lucky I used your full name in the request instead of just CW. I'll remember that for the future.

I would've seen it sooner or later anyways

rah · July 8, 2003, 12:07

Hmmm, back on to a real topic.
I found this cruising another forum and I didn't know this.

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Originally posted by SlowThinker
I started to play my first MP game and I found out following differences:

In SP mode and in Multiplayer/Hotseat mode orders works normally (for example Settler/Engineer work lasts as described in Info: Settlers-Engineers (GL) ). But in Multiplayer/Internet mode every order to a unit is executed 2 times.

This has effect to fortifying and Settler/Engineer work:
Fortifying don't last 2 turns, but only 1 (i.e. it works immediately); Settler cumulates 2 'works' the turn the order is given (but next turns it adds only 1 'work' to his cumulated 'work'):
For example grassland is reforested in 10 turns normally. But in MP mode this is done in 9 turns if you give the order and let the Settler work without wakening (first turn 2 'works' are made, then 1 'work' is added every turn). And the same work is done in 5 turns if the Settler is wakened and reordered every turn.

Was everyone else aware of this?
And then the inevitable question, Is it a cheat, or just something to exploit.

RAH

atawa · July 8, 2003, 17:16

I was, I think they build it into MP to speed up roadbuilding.

And yeah, just something to exploit.

rah · July 8, 2003, 17:52

I knew it worked on the first turn but didn't realize you had to wake them to get double production every turn.

atawa · July 8, 2003, 18:07

I usualy forget to wake them anyway, besides, the only reason I usualy mine is when I build a city on a hill or mountain.
(And yes, I did wake up a set mining a city once

)

ColdWizard · July 8, 2003, 19:06

Cheat or not, how much longer would it take for people to wake all their settlers every turn and reissue orders?

Straybow · July 9, 2003, 02:25

Wow, learn something new… didn't think about the ramifications. Reminds me of Civ1 when waking could be done as many times as necessary to complete a task.

War4ever · July 9, 2003, 02:29

i don't do that ...wake and reorder crap

DrSpike · July 9, 2003, 04:59

This is new to me...........waking and reordering is always beneficial then?

Strange.

rah · July 9, 2003, 08:36

I doubt it would add much time in our games. You rarely have more than a handful doing improvements. I'm willing to go along with the group on this one. Even if we dissallow it, people using two settlers on a single road through tough terrain would benefit.

And of course it brings up the infamous XIN transform a mountain in one turn trick. Would that be considered a cheat too?

Let's hear more opinions.