Is/Should being a Nazi in the U.S. be illegal? - Page 3

Sava · May 28, 2003, 05:42

Despite disagreeing vehemently with those policies and the member of my family that died at the hands of Nazi's, I would fight for the Nazi party's right to free-speech. But, mind you, threatening violence is against the law... and should be. They can say what they like, as long as they don't threaten anyone.

BeBro · May 28, 2003, 05:44

Addition: I wasn´t correct - there were two cases in Germany - the second party declared illegal (in 1952) was a Neonazi party called SRP, which was a direct NSDAP-clone

Space05us · May 28, 2003, 05:44

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AFAIK having an illegal party is (in Germany) more related to your first paragraph - eg. you can´t get public jobs as a member of such a party, the party cannot do anything in public (can´t participate in elections, can´t make demos etc.). It doesn´t mean that all the members end up in jail as political prisoners. The main purpose to declare a party illegal is to make sure that this party can´t participate in the political process anymore, it is not the goal to criminalize every individual member.

that would go against our garaunteed right to the freedom of speech. it simply cannot be done with our constitution.

Harovan · May 28, 2003, 05:45

They even just failed to declare the NPD illegal, which shows how difficult it is, if we want to remain based on law and constitution.

Space4us: If buying bubble gum is a public office, the answer is yes.

Space05us · May 28, 2003, 05:48

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Space4us: If buying bubble gum is a public office, the answer is yes

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that would go against our garaunteed right to the freedom of speech. it simply cannot be done with our constitution.

BeBro · May 28, 2003, 05:48

Space05us: Hm, even when they act as a kind of army against the state, but within the state? I mean - would it be possible for Al Quaeda to from a political organization in the US? Think of it like the Irish IRA - which followed (follows?) political and terrorist directions at the same time?

Harovan · May 28, 2003, 05:50

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Originally posted by Space05us
that would go against our garaunteed right to the freedom of speech. it simply cannot be done with our constitution.

Well, if the constitution says, that all people are equal, and there is a party, that says, that all Jews and Blacks are scum and need to be exterminated, this party is obviously not based on the same constitution and deserves to be outlawed, or at least to be restricted in the democratic process.

Space05us · May 28, 2003, 05:51

If thier organization as a whole was involved in criminal activity they would no longer be taken seriously as a political party and they would come under investigation by the proper authorities. Im not old enough to be familiar with the Black Pride (Panther) movement, but Im pretty sure they are an example of this

Space05us · May 28, 2003, 05:52

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Well, if the constitution says, that all people are equal, and there is a party, that says, that all Jews and Blacks are scum and need to be exterminated, this party is obviously not based on the same constitution and deserves to be outlawed, or at least to be restricted in the democratic process.

if thier motto was kill the jews they most likely wouldnt get elected

Harovan · May 28, 2003, 05:58

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if thier motto was kill the jews they most likely wouldnt get elected

Hopefully, although there was a precedence in history, where such a party actually got elected. It ended in a disaster and dozen million deads. This has to be prevented from happening again by all means, even if they sound undemocratic.

Solly · May 28, 2003, 06:00

If Nazism would be illegal, so too should communism and socialism.

Space05us · May 28, 2003, 06:00

I posted some info on the Black Panther Party here

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=87508

I skimmed it, something similar to this would happen. Though it would be different for obvious reasons

Space05us · May 28, 2003, 06:02

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Hopefully, although there was a precedence in history, where such a party actually got elected. It ended in a disaster and dozen million deads. This has to be prevented from happening again by all means, even if they sound undemocratic.

**** happens. but its thier right to exercise every political freedom they have.

Sava · May 28, 2003, 06:12

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Originally posted by Boddington's
If Nazism would be illegal, so too should communism and socialism.

and racist, homophobic trolls.

Solly · May 28, 2003, 06:14

[edited due to a misrepresentation]

Sava · May 28, 2003, 06:18

Even if one were to believe such a despicable idea that homosexuality is a disease, which it isn't, your logic still doesn't make sense, not surprisingly. Should one hate people infected with the "disease" or the "disease"? I hate SARS, but not the people infected.

But this is moot because homosexuality is not a disease. Hatred and bigotry are, however.

Solly · May 28, 2003, 06:21

I didn't mean to infer that homosexuality is a disease like malaria. But you can dislike the problem as it can render some great people incapable of having children.

Space05us · May 28, 2003, 06:21

well looks like this thread is done for. Im off to bed, good morning.

Sava · May 28, 2003, 06:35

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I didn't mean to infer that homosexuality is a disease like malaria. But you can dislike the problem as it can render some great people incapable of having children.

Gay people are perfectly capable of conceiving children... not with each other, but the equipment still works. Seriously, why do you care if Johnny likes boys instead of girls? Considering gay men take more care in their appearance, I think it just means more girls for the rest of us hetero's. Less competition for women = good

Solly · May 28, 2003, 06:40

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Gay people are perfectly capable of conceiving children...

You've been reading too many of Boris' posts.

Az · May 28, 2003, 07:51

So you think that gay people can't have kids?

Solly · May 28, 2003, 07:56

If they truly are gay, no.

Az · May 28, 2003, 08:11

The fact that they don't doesn't mean they can't.

Solly · May 28, 2003, 08:13

The fact that they can't means they don't.

Panag · May 28, 2003, 08:27

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I'm kind of shocked the FBI had an investigation over a late casino owner in my city who was accused of being a nazi.

Sense when is being a nazi illegal? As long as he isn't partaking in any illegal activities I don't understand what the deal is.

Here's a link to the article in my local paper. The guy died recently and the FBI revealed their investigation.

Such a waste of tax payer dollars. I just hate the FBI for so many reasons.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../21325141.html

hi ,

it should have been illegal many years ago , ....

since when its illegal to being a nazi , since the day they starting killing people , .....

have a nice day

Al B. Sure! · May 28, 2003, 08:41

What about me?

I'll tell you straight up I'm a fascist but I am not a racist...

Al B. Sure! · May 28, 2003, 08:45

and nah... considering that when there's a KKK rally, there's three people in hoods and hundreds of protestors... there's no need to have them be illegal... if anything, their cause is harmed by it being legal as they are ridiculed so much...

Cyclotron · May 28, 2003, 12:00

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Well, if the constitution says, that all people are equal, and there is a party, that says, that all Jews and Blacks are scum and need to be exterminated, this party is obviously not based on the same constitution and deserves to be outlawed, or at least to be restricted in the democratic process.

Yes, obviously...

If the constitution said that congress may pass no law countermanding equality (by the way, it's the declaration, not the constitution that says "all men are created equal), that still would in no way mean that all people are forced to believe in equality.

Our government guarantees freedom of speech, except in circumstances where it incites immediate violence. That's part of our constitution and one of our basic rights as human beings.

Arrian · May 28, 2003, 12:01

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Just noticed that.

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Az · May 28, 2003, 12:21

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The fact that they can't means they don't.

any proof for that?