INN Offical Thread: Jobedpet gains independence.

[Sheep]

INN Headquaters, mt. Gravatt, New Griffith

The Unified States of Sheepsta president Nick Ginakis has given the Dominion of Jobedpet a time frame where indpendence would be given.

With elections in Sheepsta coming later this year, the President has assured that these would be the last that Jobedpet would particpate in, saying that within three years the Dominion would become a Republic in its own rights.

Jobedpet government officals have welcomed the move and are in session to draw up a new constitution. Throughout Jobedpet, the citizens express gratitude to the Sheepstan people as the mother land, whom brought the colony from penal settlemtn to thriving nation.

Treaty of mt. Gravatt members have expressed their delight in the decision and look forward to Jobedpet continuing its ties with the treaty.

Jobedpet was the home of the New Sheepstan government in exile during the occupation, while the NSA continued a gureilla campaign against Alecrast and Bulbagarden, concentrating in the south west of the island.

A census due to be released tommorrow will show what the populace of Sheepsta think of this latest move.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Jobedpet was the home of the New Sheepstan government in exile during the occupation, while the NSA continued a gureilla campaign against Alecrast and Bulbagarden, concentrating in the south west of the island.

[OOC]
Just 2 minor notes.

1) It was not an occupation. While the INN, as New Griffith's Media Pawn, is free to say such, everyone else should be aware that this is not true, and is propaganda on the part of this regime against Alecrast and Bulbagarden.

2) The statement that there was a "gureilla campaign against Alecrast and Bulbagarden, concentrating in the south west of the island." is untrue, and again, the others should be aware of this. Furthermore, if it had been stated in any other form than a news report (Where we can simply say it's false propaganda), would be considering godmodding on your part.
[/OOC]

[Sheep]

occ: Offical Thread, piss off.

[Archaic]

[OOC]
You already had an official thread for INN reports, you didn't need to make another. And while you keep spreading those falsehoods, I can't "piss off", because people who don't know what happened might start to believe them simply from the amount of times you keep repeatng them.
[/OOC]

[Sheep]

The say your falsities held in Alecrastian dumb ass schools as truths.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
The say your falsities held in Alecrastian dumb ass schools as truths.

1) Learn to put a sentance together. You made no sense there whatsoever.

2) Alecrast is rated far higher for education than Sheepsta is.

[Whaleboy]

What is actually going on here? I know I have absolutely no authority here, but as a relative newcomer, Itd be interesting to know, perhaps if each side wishes to give its own argument, then debate them later?

[Archaic]

I'll try and give a quick summary. You'd have to go back through a LOT of threads and posts to get the full story. I'd encourage you to do so though. The Alecrast/Sheepsta issue is pretty much the major plotline of this Eastern Sea area of the region.

• Lord Protector Leo I of the Holy Empire of Sheepsta disbands the Sheepstan Parliment and formally takes power, to the condemnations of Alecrast, Centralis, Sovietskii Soyuz, and others. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=74043
• Sovietskii Soyuz decends into civil war, with the former anti-meat eating group 'Ubained to Ban Meat' taking arms and slaughtering any civilian, government official, military recuirt or officer whom had been accused of eating meat. Sheepsta backs the rebels, citing hated of Sovietskii Soyuz's athiest government, then quickly backs out after the Pacifist Alliance declares war on them. Alecrast soon intercedes in the Sovietskii Soyuz civil war, backing the government. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=74036
• Sheepsta re-enters the Sovietskii Soyuz Civil War, threatening Sovietskii Soyuz and the United States of Jackson with nuclear attack. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...5&pagenumber=5
• Sheepsta forms the The Anti - Sovietskii Soyuz Alliance. Quickly backs out after the actions of his partner. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=74175
• Alecrast delivers an ultimatium to them and their ally, Elysium, then goes through with it when they refuse to surrender immediatly. Sheepsta declares the assassination of its minister of war an act of terrorism. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...5&pagenumber=5
• Alecrast Yokuza agents prevent the launch of Nuclear Weapons by purchasing them from rogue elements in the Sheepsta military and/or stealing them. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...5&pagenumber=6
  (N.B. First instances of godmodding by both sides. Sheepsta for somehow having Nukes, Alecrast for the Deus Ex Machina solution to the problem. In hindsight, Alecrast should have employed an IGNORE CANNON on the nukes, however these were not yet "invented" then.)
• More near nuclear war as Sheepsta gets more pissed over the "terrorism" - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=74205
• More on the "terrorism", this time Sheepsta starting an "Anti-Terrorism Alliance" - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=74400
• Yet more, this time with Sheepsta attempting to implicate Centralis too, though at least this time it was a real act of terrorism. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=74628
• Alecrast attacked by as yet still unknown forces. High yeild nuclear weapon skyburst over the nation, turning much of it to wasteland, and Graphite Weapons destroy its electrical and telecommunications infrastructure. Sheepsta kidnaps 1500 survivors, against orders of other nations, including Alecrast itself.
• Sheepsta Civil War. Alecrast gets involved and sides with the rebels, though its Yokuza forces are asked to withdraw later, even after having been invited in by the rebels, seemingly due to their unusual force structure (ie. Military Intelligence/Special Forces rather than conventional forces). Rebels win, but not until after the remains of the Holy Empire nuke 1 Sheepstan city, Lambston. 1000 of the kidnapped Alecrast citizens die in a massacre. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=74897
• "Protectorates Affair". United States of Sheepsta (An Alecrast Ally at the time) dissolves after attacks by rebal forces still loyal to the Holy Empire, and the successor to the Lord Protector, Cardinal Ew. At the request of the Sheepstan Citizens council, after almost a year of chaos, Alecrast and its ally Bulbagarden move in to restore order, setting up the protectorates of North and South Sheepsta, and beginning reconstruction of the nation still ravaged by the earlier civil war. Unknown forces inside the protectorate of South Sheepsta months into the protectorates establish New Sheepsta in the old base of the Holy Empire's military during the civil war, and are presumed to be comprised of the remains of the Holy Empire forces. After declaring war on Alecrast and Bulbagarden, this New Sheepsta is held to its initial land, never allowed to expand beyond it by the far superior Alecrast, Bulbagarden, North Sheepsta, and South Sheepsta forces. Protectorates are later dissolved by order of the court, with Alecrast and Bulbagarden withdrawing. Sheepsta unites under its current Corrupt Dictatorship in uncertain circumstances. Speculation runs rife that the election was rigged.
  http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=79833
  http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=82523
  http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=83008
  http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=83616
  http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=84116
• Sheepsta forms the Domionion of Jobedpet as a penal colony. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=84206
• Present Era.

[Whaleboy]

I see thankyou Archaic, Sheep, you wanna present your version of events. Dont counter Archaic yet, just post what you think happened. Theyll be plenty of room for debate later. Lets see if we can bring this to a solution so you can continue the conflict in character.

[Sheep]

pretty much the same for the most part.

Lord Protector Leo I of the Holy Empire of Sheepsta disbands the Sheepstan Parliment and formally takes power, to the condemnations of Alecrast, Centralis, Sovietskii Soyuz, and others. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74043

Sovietskii Soyuz decends into civil war, with the former anti-meat eating group 'Ubained to Ban Meat' taking arms and slaughtering any civilian, government official, military recuirt or officer whom had been accused of eating meat. Sheepsta backs the rebels, citing hated of Sovietskii Soyuz's athiest government, then quickly backs out after the Pacifist Alliance declares war on them. Alecrast soon intercedes in the Sovietskii Soyuz civil war, backing the government. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74036

Sheepsta re-enters the Sovietskii Soyuz Civil War, threatening Sovietskii Soyuz and the United States of Jackson with nuclear attack. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...15&pagenumber=5

Sheepsta forms the The Anti - Sovietskii Soyuz Alliance. Quickly backs out after the actions of his partner. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74175

Alecrast delivers an ultimatium to them and their ally, Elysium, then goes through with it when they refuse to surrender immediatly. Sheepsta declares the assassination of its minister of war an act of terrorism. - (which I haste to add was Archaic god modding )http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...15&pagenumber=5

Alecrast Yokuza agents prevent the launch of Nuclear Weapons by purchasing them from rogue elements in the Sheepsta military and/or stealing them. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...15&pagenumber=6
(N.B. First instances of godmodding by Archaic, I mean once he claimed I had no nukes, which did not say I did. he had no authority to say so. The he claimed to disable my nukes, which I ignored, and still do.)

More near nuclear war as Sheepsta gets more pissed over the "terrorism" - (which was godmodding by Aracvhic in the first place) http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74205

More on the "terrorism", this time Sheepsta starting an "Anti-Terrorism Alliance" - as you can see I was pissed at Arachic's godmodding)http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74400

Yet more, this time with Sheepsta attempting to implicate Centralis too, though at least this time it was a real act of terrorism. - (which was an acto of godmodding on bothe Archaic and genTacticus parts) http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74628

Alecrast attacked by as yet still unknown forces. High yeild nuclear weapon skyburst over the nation, turning much of it to wasteland, and Graphite Weapons destroy its electrical and telecommunications infrastructure. Sheepsta kidnaps 1500 survivors, against orders of other nations, including Alecrast itself.

(ahhy yes, my stike back. Sorry about that Archic, but you were pissing me off. )

Sheepsta Civil War. Alecrast gets involved and sides with the rebels, though its Yokuza forces are asked to withdraw later, even after having been invited in by the rebels, seemingly due to their unusual force structure (ie. Military Intelligence/Special Forces rather than conventional forces). Rebels win, but not until after the remains of the Holy Empire nuke 1 Sheepstan city, Lambston. 1000 of the kidnapped Alecrast citizens die in a massacre. - The fall of the Holy Empire. i decided it was time for the Lord Protector to go.) http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74897

"Protectorates Affair". United States of Sheepsta (An Alecrast Ally at the time) dissolves after attacks by rebal forces still loyal to the Holy Empire, and the successor to the Lord Protector, Cardinal Ew. At the request of the Sheepstan Citizens council, after almost a year of chaos, Alecrast and its ally Bulbagarden move in to restore order, setting up the protectorates of North and South Sheepsta, and beginning reconstruction of the nation still ravaged by the earlier civil war. Unknown forces inside the protectorate of South Sheepsta months into the protectorates establish New Sheepsta in the old base of the Holy Empire's military during the civil war, and are presumed to be comprised of the remains of the Holy Empire forces. After declaring war on Alecrast and Bulbagarden, this New Sheepsta is held to its initial land, never allowed to expand beyond it by the far superior Alecrast, Bulbagarden, North Sheepsta, and South Sheepsta forces. Protectorates are later dissolved by order of the court, with Alecrast and Bulbagarden withdrawing. Sheepsta unites under its current Corrupt Dictatorship in uncertain circumstances. Speculation runs rife that the election was rigged.
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=79833
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=82523
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=83008
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=83616
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=84116

{Look at the courts. Not only do more people agree with my side of the argument by the votes but also that I still maintain if Arachic had just asked I probs would not of had any real objections.)

Sheepsta forms the Domionion of Jobedpet as a penal colony. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=84206

{which he know probably will not recognise as independent :P)

Present Era.

Sad an sorry truth while Alecrast and Sheepsta have colourful histories, Archaic has godmodded on several occasions, to my detriment, but Screams IGNORE CANNON when he see something he don't like. The other fact that still amuses me is that when the Holy Empire was formed it was considered a Democratic Socialist Regime while I played it as a dictatorship. Now while I lay Sheepsta as a democratic socialist regime in RP it is in NS classfied as a dictatorship even though every answer I give I try to bring it more democracy and socialist ideals. I guess Archaic conviently forgets this and before he tries to say otherwise, I impolre him to back anything he says with proof that the old Sheepsta was a dictatorship more than a democratic socialist regime, then try and explain why he continues with this hypocrisy.

Lastly on that topic I would likem to point out that once the USS was formed the stats in Sheepsta did not change but in RP they did. If Sheepsta was a corrupt dictatorship back then why didn't Aracic do his song and dance over it then?

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Alecrast delivers an ultimatium to them and their ally, Elysium, then goes through with it when they refuse to surrender immediatly. Sheepsta declares the assassination of its minister of war an act of terrorism. - (which I haste to add was Archaic god modding )http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...15&pagenumber=5

As were you. You suddenly declared you had Nukes, which was unreasonable. My godmodding was a Deus Ex Machina solution to the problem of your godmodding, which was acceptable at the time, because we didn't yet have the ignore cannon.

Originally posted by Sheep
Alecrast Yokuza agents prevent the launch of Nuclear Weapons by purchasing them from rogue elements in the Sheepsta military and/or stealing them. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...15&pagenumber=6
(N.B. First instances of godmodding by Archaic, I mean once he claimed I had no nukes, which did not say I did. he had no authority to say so. The he claimed to disable my nukes, which I ignored, and still do.)

Continuation of earlier. My godmodding here was a reaction to his godmodding of suddenly having nuclear ability when there was no way his nation could've had that, a Deus Ex Machina solution that was deemed acceptable at the time.


[QUOTE] Originally posted by Sheep
More near nuclear war as Sheepsta gets more pissed over the "terrorism" - (which was godmodding by Aracvhic in the first place) http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74205

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Sheep
More on the "terrorism", this time Sheepsta starting an "Anti-Terrorism Alliance" - as you can see I was pissed at Arachic's godmodding)http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74400

Again, continuation of the earlier Deus Ex Machina solution, with Sheep refusing to accept it.


[QUOTE] Originally posted by Sheep
Yet more, this time with Sheepsta attempting to implicate Centralis too, though at least this time it was a real act of terrorism. - (which was an acto of godmodding on bothe Archaic and genTacticus parts) http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=74628

I'd love to know how he says we're godmodding here. If anyone godmodded, it was Sheep, by declaring that a Centralis interantional flight was to blame (He has no authority to state anything about Centralis), by killing a Jackson Diplomat (Without Jack's authority), and declaring 2 Ubinians, 1 Soviet and 1 Alecretsian the culprits (Again, without the authority of those players). And let's not forget the "joint investigation" that never happened.

Originally posted by Sheep
Alecrast attacked by as yet still unknown forces. High yeild nuclear weapon skyburst over the nation, turning much of it to wasteland, and Graphite Weapons destroy its electrical and telecommunications infrastructure. Sheepsta kidnaps 1500 survivors, against orders of other nations, including Alecrast itself.

(ahhy yes, my stike back. Sorry about that Archic, but you were pissing me off. )

I see we're missing the URL, so I'll provide it.
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=74406

I assume you refer to the kidnap of the citizens and not to the airburst by forces still unknown? (You didn't have the nukes for it at that point anyway.

Originally posted by Sheep
"Protectorates Affair". United States of Sheepsta (An Alecrast Ally at the time) dissolves after attacks by rebal forces still loyal to the Holy Empire, and the successor to the Lord Protector, Cardinal Ew. At the request of the Sheepstan Citizens council, after almost a year of chaos, Alecrast and its ally Bulbagarden move in to restore order, setting up the protectorates of North and South Sheepsta, and beginning reconstruction of the nation still ravaged by the earlier civil war. Unknown forces inside the protectorate of South Sheepsta months into the protectorates establish New Sheepsta in the old base of the Holy Empire's military during the civil war, and are presumed to be comprised of the remains of the Holy Empire forces. After declaring war on Alecrast and Bulbagarden, this New Sheepsta is held to its initial land, never allowed to expand beyond it by the far superior Alecrast, Bulbagarden, North Sheepsta, and South Sheepsta forces. Protectorates are later dissolved by order of the court, with Alecrast and Bulbagarden withdrawing. Sheepsta unites under its current Corrupt Dictatorship in uncertain circumstances. Speculation runs rife that the election was rigged.
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=79833
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=82523
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=83008
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=83616
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=84116

{Look at the courts. Not only do more people agree with my side of the argument by the votes but also that I still maintain if Arachic had just asked I probs would not of had any real objections.)

I've looked at the courts, and I see no such thing. Furthermore, the court never labeled the protectorates as illegal, nor as an occupation, both of which you unjustly continue to claim they were.
As for the asking bit.....it makes no difference. You can't prove the statement, and your childish actions on the forum both before and after the event would seem to indicate that wouldn't have been the case. Regardless....you weren't required to be asked, as your nation was still deleted. Your "ownership" over it had expired.

Originally posted by Sheep
Sheepsta forms the Domionion of Jobedpet as a penal colony. - http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=84206

{which he know probably will not recognise as independent :P)

I'm interested to see how you're going to do this. It would seem to me that perhaps it may have gained its freedom from its opressor state Sheepsta, but that we're just not hearing anything out of it due to jamming and distruction of telecommunications infrastructure. In any case, Sheepsta still remains a Corrupt Dictatorship, so you'll have to find some way to explain it reasonably in that context.

Originally posted by Sheep
Present Era.

Sad an sorry truth while Alecrast and Sheepsta have colourful histories, Archaic has godmodded on several occasions, to my detriment, but Screams IGNORE CANNON when he see something he don't like.

Except for the Urbanised affair which was officially dropped some time back (And considered to have never happened as far as RP is concerned), and which from the beginning was meant only to display your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the court (ie. Letting you do it with New Sheepsta yet not letting me do it with Urbanised), I have made no godmoddings since the end of the Protectorates affair.

You however have made many, and those are why you have been constantly ignore cannoned. Not because I don't like it, but because it's godmodding.

Originally posted by Sheep
The other fact that still amuses me is that when the Holy Empire was formed it was considered a Democratic Socialist Regime while I played it as a dictatorship. Now while I lay Sheepsta as a democratic socialist regime in RP it is in NS classfied as a dictatorship even though every answer I give I try to bring it more democracy and socialist ideals.

I guess Archaic conviently forgets this and before he tries to say otherwise, I impolre him to back anything he says with proof that the old Sheepsta was a dictatorship more than a democratic socialist regime, then try and explain why he continues with this hypocrisy.

1) Bullshit. I know exactly why you're falling more and more into Dictatorship, but I'm not going to point it out to you. Needless to say, you're *NOT* taking the democratic options.

2) Attempt at Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

As far as I was concerned, back in the days of the Holy Empire, you *were* democratic socialists. Your actions then never actually contradicted anything on your nationstates profile. While your Lord Protector *had* siezed power, he seemed to have done so at the will of the people, because they still stayed loyal, and even sacrificed themselves in great numbers in his "holy war". Oh yes, and you had corrupt government too.
But in any case, that's not what's happening now. Now, you say you're a democracy when Nationstates says you're a dictatorship. NS has precidence

Originally posted by Sheep
Lastly on that topic I would likem to point out that once the USS was formed the stats in Sheepsta did not change but in RP they did. If Sheepsta was a corrupt dictatorship back then why didn't Aracic do his song and dance over it then?

Actually, when the USS was formed from the Holy Empire of Sheepsta, you *WERE* democratic socialists. Back then, you never went into Corrupt Dictatorship. So that's why I didn't bring it up. Because it never happened.

[Sheep]

Yes however the Holy Empire was for majority of the time of its tenure classified as democratic Socialists.

As for me not taking the democratic options I don't thinks so.

I allow Nazi rallies, I allow freedom of speech, I am continually asked if my ELECTIONS should be compuslroy but I am still a Corrupt Dictatorship see my point.

This is really my only problem with ya. The Occupation scandal is over with. However the government in Sheepsta will still continue to call it an occupation, thats its policy. You can call it a protectorate, I don;t really care. i have my nation back and thats what counts as far as I am concerned. the beauty of sovereignty is that my nation can do anything it wants inside its borders, within reason, and so can yours. We really have no authority to make otherwise.

With that over it, I am curring you a deal. This flame war/ argument has gone on for far too long. I want to get back to good old fashioned RPing, and I am sure so do you. We drop the scandals. The past is the past. I RP with my nation as I see fit, so do you. If you feel the need to question anything I see, either contact me via PM or AIM. You have my contact there. This is so we can discus this like the adults we both claim to be, also keeping this of the forums. Oh and can I ask you as I have shown you the prediciment I have been in genuinely trying to make my nation democratic in the NS forums as well as here, to either show me what I am doing wrong, or just drop it.

I am being the bigger man here by saying enough is enough, I am just hoping you will join me and agree with me. Hey I guess there can always be a first for everything .

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Yes however the Holy Empire was for majority of the time of its tenure classified as democratic Socialists.

I know. I just pointed that out. Holy Empire in NS = Democratic Socialists. Holy Empire in RP = Democratic Socialists too. You had a popular leader, and though your government was corrupt, you never tyrranized your citizens in RP, so you could never be labeled as a dictator.

Originally posted by Sheep
As for me not taking the democratic options I don't thinks so.

I allow Nazi rallies, I allow freedom of speech, I am continually asked if my ELECTIONS should be compuslroy but I am still a Corrupt Dictatorship see my point.

Nazi rally's and Freedom of Speech are issues of Social Freedoms, not Political Freedoms. The Elections one also has many options that will actually decrease your Political Freedoms. There's also other issues which influence Political Freedoms, and you've constantly taken the bad options.

Originally posted by Sheep
This is really my only problem with ya. The Occupation scandal is over with. However the government in Sheepsta will still continue to call it an occupation, thats its policy. You can call it a protectorate, I don;t really care. i have my nation back and thats what counts as far as I am concerned. the beauty of sovereignty is that my nation can do anything it wants inside its borders, within reason, and so can yours. We really have no authority to make otherwise.

Except of course the authority of force. My nation will continue to lash out at your nation and its allies (all owned by you) calling the protectorates occupations, especially since the courts ruling never said they were occupations, killing really your entire arguement.

Originally posted by Sheep
With that over it, I am curring you a deal. This flame war/ argument has gone on for far too long. I want to get back to good old fashioned RPing, and I am sure so do you. We drop the scandals. The past is the past. I RP with my nation as I see fit, so do you. If you feel the need to question anything I see, either contact me via PM or AIM. You have my contact there. This is so we can discus this like the adults we both claim to be, also keeping this of the forums. Oh and can I ask you as I have shown you the prediciment I have been in genuinely trying to make my nation democratic in the NS forums as well as here, to either show me what I am doing wrong, or just drop it.

"Good old fashioned RP" includes scandals. Real life isn't all sweet and peachy, especially if a democratic nation with a massive military is next to the region's equivilent of Cuba if it was as arrogant as France. If I feel the need to question anything you do, I'll do it publically, on the forums, not behind everyones backs like someone who has something to hide. You will impose no such restrictions on me.

And no, you've shown no genuine attempt at going for Democratic Socialists. You've tried to increase social freedoms, not political freedoms. The best you can hope for on your path is Iron Fist Socialists. I'm not going to tell you how to run your own nation (Well, in IRL anyway. In RP I'll have my ministers yell at you at length for your dictatorship), and I'm not going to tell you how to fix things. You're just going to have to accept that you're a Corrupt Dictatorship (Or Iron Fist Socialists) until you figure out on your own what you're doing wrong. I will give you one hint though. You would NEVER agree to do it, as evidenced by you continuiously choosing the exact opposite option on that issue.

Originally posted by Sheep
I am being the bigger man here by saying enough is enough, I am just hoping you will join me and agree with me. Hey I guess there can always be a first for everything .

No, you're not. You're trying to act as if you have some sort of moral high ground, when you're the one who's created all this mess, and you just want out of it now because it's got a little too hot for you. The bigger man is the person who stands up for the truth, and for their ideals. I will make no deals with liars like you (*Points to your NES exploits, and to your constant godmodding here*), and my nation will make no deals with a Corrupt Dictatorship.

[Whaleboy]

So is there a version of events your both going to agree on?

Compromise methinks?

[Archaic]

There's a few basics we can agree on, but not a common one exactly, no. Everyone really has to form their own opinion on this. It's just not a simple issue.

[Whaleboy]

Anything either side are prepared to give and take on?

[Archaic]

And what issues do you think we could possibily give and take on?

[Whaleboy]

OOC: I dont know, im just doing the generic diplomacy thing, it doesnt require me to know about what is going on

[Sheep]

Well at least I tried to make peace for the constatnt arguments here. I at least will take not of this and in future, and attempts to call me the origniator of such arguments will be met with this.

As for the you continuing to call me what in NS I am, does not mean I have to take notice of you. It just in escence means I can say what I feel about you. We don;t ahve to get along, I ain;t suggesting that. I am suggesting that if we have to RP together at least keep personal attacks, which you do blatatly out of it.

[Archaic]

Your method of "making peace" is only telling me to shut up and stop disagreing with you. Or in other words, to let you "win". As a matter of principle, I cannot do that. All the posts you've made are there for everyone to see Sheep, and regardless of how much you might try to put on a facade of civility with me now, your childish actions are out in the open for anyone who has the time to go through the threads. The one who has been constantly starting and restarting these arguements is you Sheep, by constantly repeating your lies about the protectorates and other matters.

And where have I been giving you personal attacks Sheep? Calling you a Corrupt Dictatorship, which you are, regardless of how much you want to choose to ignore reality, is not a personal attack.

[Sheep]

No my peace, was for us to stop this useless arguments. RP is fun, we both agree on that, but little else. I was proposing that is we Rp with each others nation to at least contact the other person first, to prevent mass use of Ignore Cannons (apparently they are detrimental to the environment).

Yes I admit that I have been a child, but children do grow up, and it took me a while, but hey, guess what, I aint a child anymore. However in RP I am only saying what is held to be the belief of my own nation, or in the case of INN my organistation. Like I have pointed out you are allowed to have a diffreng opinion, not only the beauty of democracy and free speech, but also of sovereignty.

The personal attacks have come in by calling me names, and obvioulsy slandering my name on these forums. You have done this, I know I have myself. Which I deeply regret, and apologise for. However it does have to stop. I only ask that we resolve our dispute, and get back to RP.

I ask this in respect to other people who use these forums, not only are we with our continuous bickering have caused many people to lose intrest, but also defeats the purpose of this game, or story if you would rather, which is to have fun.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
No my peace, was for us to stop this useless arguments. RP is fun, we both agree on that, but little else. I was proposing that is we Rp with each others nation to at least contact the other person first, to prevent mass use of Ignore Cannons (apparently they are detrimental to the environment).

The only way for the arguements to stop is for one side to admit the other is right. As I'm the one who is being forced to press the point by you constantly posting up these falsehoods, I cannot drop the arguement. If the arguement is to stop, you need to stop it with the lying. Otherwise, it will continue, and rightly so. Just because arguements are a "bad thing" doesn't mean they shouldn't happen in every situation. I have every right to continue calling you on your lies when you post them.

Oh, and about yourstatement on the Ignore Cannons there? That's godmodding. FIRE IGNORE CANNONS!

Originally posted by Sheep
Yes I admit that I have been a child, but children do grow up, and it took me a while, but hey, guess what, I aint a child anymore. However in RP I am only saying what is held to be the belief of my own nation, or in the case of INN my organistation. Like I have pointed out you are allowed to have a diffreng opinion, not only the beauty of democracy and free speech, but also of sovereignty.

And in RP, I am only saying what is both
a) The belief in my own nation
&
b) The truth
Also.....
"Like I have pointed out you are allowed to have a diffreng opinion, not only the beauty of democracy and free speech, but also of sovereignty"
WTF are you implying by this? You seem to be trying to stain other peoples perceptions of me by saying that I don't hold these principles dear. Hiding insults in flowery language isn't going to do you any good Sheep.

Originally posted by Sheep
The personal attacks have come in by calling me names, and obvioulsy slandering my name on these forums. You have done this, I know I have myself. Which I deeply regret, and apologise for. However it does have to stop. I only ask that we resolve our dispute, and get back to RP.

Slander implies a lie Sheep. Nowhere have I lied about what you've done. As for insulting you, kindly find a recent one. Since you seem to be so keen on saying that you've changed, something I highly doubt, why can't I?

Our dispute is in RP, and I see no reason why it shouldn't continue.

Originally posted by Sheep
I ask this in respect to other people who use these forums, not only are we with our continuous bickering have caused many people to lose intrest, but also defeats the purpose of this game, or story if you would rather, which is to have fun.

In other words.....
"I can't have fun if people argue with me. I just want to live in a fantasy world where nations with wildly different ideologies get along and pretend nothing's happening, even though one of those said nations has constantly threatened nuclear attack against the other."
Get real Sheep.



I just thought of the perfect analogy for what's happening here, one I'm sure someone like you could understand Sheep, since you call yourself a leftist, and a libertarian like myself shares the left's stance on a number of social issues.

It's like I'm Pallestine, and you're Israel. You make this big song and dance about giving me some "concession" or "extending the hand of peace", when what you're doing is woefully inadequate, and then cry at me being "unreasonable" when I rightly reject your proposals.

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Archaic


The only way for the arguements to stop is for one side to admit the other is right. As I'm the one who is being forced to press the point by you constantly posting up these falsehoods, I cannot drop the arguement. If the arguement is to stop, you need to stop it with the lying. Otherwise, it will continue, and rightly so. Just because arguements are a "bad thing" doesn't mean they shouldn't happen in every situation. I have every right to continue calling you on your lies when you post them.

What I am getting at here, is that both our nations do not like each other. You can continue to call me on my 'lies' but remeber my nation thinks you 'lie'. We both have difrent versions of events. This is what I am getting at. Example of this is that in Saddam's Iraq, the children learnt in schools that Saddam won the war. The british learnt in WW2 that Germans were evil, the Germans learnt jews were evil. It aint all right is it, but its what happened.

Originally posted by Archaic
Oh, and about yourstatement on the Ignore Cannons there? That's godmodding. FIRE IGNORE CANNONS!

I have to pay that. What I was getting at is noone wants to see you ignoring everything. It is detrimental to the environment a.k.a the forums.

Originally posted by Archaic
And in RP, I am only saying what is both
a) The belief in my own nation
&
b) The truth
Also.....
"Like I have pointed out you are allowed to have a diffreng opinion, not only the beauty of democracy and free speech, but also of sovereignty"
WTF are you implying by this? You seem to be trying to stain other peoples perceptions of me by saying that I don't hold these principles dear. Hiding insults in flowery language isn't going to do you any good Sheep.

Not at all. I am not trying to stain your formidable reputation. However I am pointing out to you that as RP is one's own perception our nations can say what they like. Doesn't mean its true. Perhaps we could work on disingusihing what is propaganda and what is truth. Maybe we could all work (not just the two of us) on this issue. After all even now propoganda still plays a huge role in every country.

Originally posted by Archaic
Slander implies a lie Sheep. Nowhere have I lied about what you've done. As for insulting you, kindly find a recent one. Since you seem to be so keen on saying that you've changed, something I highly doubt, why can't I?

Our dispute is in RP, and I see no reason why it shouldn't continue.

Neither do I my friend, however calling me a 'petulatnt child' is one insult that comes of the top of my head. I have not said you can not change, I am merely asking you if you feel it is time to give this a rest. Believe it or not I don;t like arguments, that extend from when we are trying to have fun. I do not wish for our little cold war to not continue. I find it intresting. I am just asking you to work something out, so that you realise much of what I say is propoganda and the other truth.

This is to prevent ignore cannons from becoming necessary, as you take this as part of the stroyline. Do you think after our history our people are going to love each other. No! Do you think they would agree on events much? NO! Why is this? because both sides would love another crack at each other but the threat of a regional nuclear war is too great. Hence the Cold War scenerio.

Now talk to me on AIM if you need this clarified. I hope I can explain where I am coming from. I do not seek to discredit you, only to end what we have started. anti-RP arguments.




In other words.....
"I can't have fun if people argue with me. I just want to live in a fantasy world where nations with wildly different ideologies get along and pretend nothing's happening, even though one of those said nations has constantly threatened nuclear attack against the other."
Get real Sheep.



I just thought of the perfect analogy for what's happening here, one I'm sure someone like you could understand Sheep, since you call yourself a leftist, and a libertarian like myself shares the left's stance on a number of social issues.

It's like I'm Pallestine, and you're Israel. You make this big song and dance about giving me some "concession" or "extending the hand of peace", when what you're doing is woefully inadequate, and then cry at me being "unreasonable" when I rightly reject your proposals. [/QUOTE]

[Mr. President]

You both live in Queensland. You could just settle this man-to-man in the Circle of Death.

[Whaleboy]

Or celebrity deathmatch style. Drogue can be Johnny Gomez!!!

On a serious note, if you dont agree on a chain of events without claim and counter claim of god modding etc, then I suggest that you drop the RP threads that are causing so much conflict and disagreement, and agree to disagree, kiss and make up, continue with new RP threads that you both agree with, and carry on without the conflict. Otherwise it could escalate into trans RP/RL, and reduce the experience for the rest of us.

If you can agree on a common chain of RP events, thats great, it enables us to keep a good RP thread, if not, then drop the threads.

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Mr. President
You both live in Queensland. You could just settle this man-to-man in the Circle of Death.

I'll be up for that. But it will have to come fast. I amoving at the end of the month to victoria. Maybe Gen. Tac. can take ove for Archaic?

[Sheep]

Originally posted by elijah
Or celebrity deathmatch style. Drogue can be Johnny Gomez!!!

On a serious note, if you dont agree on a chain of events without claim and counter claim of god modding etc, then I suggest that you drop the RP threads that are causing so much conflict and disagreement, and agree to disagree, kiss and make up, continue with new RP threads that you both agree with, and carry on without the conflict. Otherwise it could escalate into trans RP/RL, and reduce the experience for the rest of us.

If you can agree on a common chain of RP events, thats great, it enables us to keep a good RP thread, if not, then drop the threads.

Thats what I am trying to get at. Agree to disagree. Nations have diffreing views on events. However it doesn;t mean that wither one or both are entirely true. Nations put their own spin on events. Thats a fact of life these days. Has been since the formation of the nation-state system by the Peace of Westphalia in 1648. Probably even before then.

[Archaic]

No way am I agreeing to fight Sheep. Besides the fact that I'd beat the living **** out of him anyway (*Proudly holds up his hard earned Black Belt*), and then likely be trumped up on assault charges, he's already sent me several Death Threats over this Game in the past. You want me to meet this insane guy IRL? You've got to be kidding me.

Originally posted by elijah
On a serious note, if you dont agree on a chain of events without claim and counter claim of god modding etc, then I suggest that you drop the RP threads that are causing so much conflict and disagreement, and agree to disagree, kiss and make up, continue with new RP threads that you both agree with, and carry on without the conflict. Otherwise it could escalate into trans RP/RL, and reduce the experience for the rest of us.

If you can agree on a common chain of RP events, thats great, it enables us to keep a good RP thread, if not, then drop the threads.

Good RP =/= RP without conflict.

This is a game of nations. Nations have conflict. Just because there is conflict does not mean things are bad. The only thing that does is Godmodding. Which it seems Sheep is still engaging in after a fashion. *Points to the new INN thread about the Sheepsta Parliment attacks* He's having his INN state it, and with no evidence, so it can be interpreted as them just making slander against Alecrast for now, but if he tries to make it real....godmod.

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Archaic
No way am I agreeing to fight Sheep. Besides the fact that I'd beat the living **** out of him anyway (*Proudly holds up his hard earned Black Belt*), and then likely be trumped up on assault charges, he's already sent me several Death Threats over this Game in the past. You want me to meet this insane guy IRL? You've got to be kidding me.

I was only kidding.

[Sheep]

lol. Get over it. If you wish to consture what I said in that way thats your problem. Me IRL I can;t hurt a fly. I am a pacificst. I however do not allow people to walk over me which you still try after all this time.