June 2, 2003, 11:35
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Reclassification of Chimpanzees??
Interesting National Geographic article I came across -- here's the link.
National Geographic Article
What is anyone's take on this?
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June 2, 2003, 11:36
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People are getting upset about this and I don't have the slightest idea why. Doesn't exactly replace us from the top of the food chain, you know.
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June 2, 2003, 11:40
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People are getting upset about this and I don't have the slightest idea why. Doesn't exactly replace us from the top of the food chain, you know.
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Because some people are not comfortable with seeing ourselves as an animal species? Maybe that's why -- and you're right, such close-minded opinions seem ridiculuous.
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June 2, 2003, 11:42
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Well, if it looks like an animal, moves like an animal, and eats like an animal, it is likely an animal. Talk about denying the senses of one's own eyes!
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June 2, 2003, 11:44
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Well, if it looks like an animal, moves like an animal, and eats like an animal, it is likely an animal. Talk about denying the senses of one's own eyes!
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yep
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June 2, 2003, 11:49
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yep x 2 
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June 2, 2003, 11:54
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sure, humans are animals. doesn't mean that all animals have rights, though. just humans.
we had a thread on this. 
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If they are reclassified as humans, will we still be able to experiment on them, keep them in cages, etc? How will the law relate to a different branch of humanity?
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June 2, 2003, 11:57
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I had the same question. we reached a conclusion in the other thread. the conclusion was that they're not humans.
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June 2, 2003, 11:58
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I don't know that one can make the blanket statement that man is an animal.
Look around ACS. Quite a few vegetables represented.
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June 2, 2003, 13:34
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I don't know that one can make the blanket statement that man is an animal.
Look around ACS. Quite a few vegetables represented.
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Are you saying that humans are not really animals because we are sentient beings?
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June 2, 2003, 13:35
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If they are reclassified as humans, will we still be able to experiment on them, keep them in cages, etc? How will the law relate to a different branch of humanity?
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I guess this is where some of the controversy comes from. 
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June 2, 2003, 14:24
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Originally posted by MrFun
Are you saying that humans are not really animals because we are sentient beings?
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I'm pretty sure he's just making a dig at some of us.
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June 2, 2003, 14:50
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Vegetables, as in mental apparatus not functioning.
Not as in, rooted.
Jeez. You Iowan's. 
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June 2, 2003, 15:00
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This sounds like a scientist bidding for his next research grant by being controversial.
Classification is not a precise science and there is rather more to it than simply how close the DNA of two species are. The skeletons of chimps are closer to gorillas than to humans in many ways and for most species the bones are all there is, no DNA. If you start to insist on DNA above all else for classification then that is effectively saying that most extinct species where there are only fossils cannot be classified. Basically this proposal is extremist rubbish and a product of an inbred quarrel between two groups of scientists on what is the most important criterion for classification, characteristics or DNA.
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June 2, 2003, 15:04
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Originally posted by Azazel
I had the same question. we reached a conclusion in the other thread. the conclusion was that they're not humans.
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of course theyre not, theyre chimps
I remember that thread too. Whatever happened to it?
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June 2, 2003, 15:05
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it died. like many other threads.
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June 2, 2003, 15:10
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it died. like many other threads.
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well duh, I was asking what happened to it after I spammed the thread.
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June 2, 2003, 16:21
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Eh, they're not the same species. Oh, and there were actually two other threads about this. One just died sooner. More discussion should probably occur there, but I'm far too lazy to go searching.
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June 2, 2003, 16:26
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I'm far too lazy to go searching.
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A Chimp wouldn't give up so easily. See they are different
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June 2, 2003, 18:45
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All humans are animals. AFAIK, this is a common known fact.
All animals are not humans. AFAIK, this, also, is a common known fact.
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June 2, 2003, 18:47
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Chimpanzees are not humans. Chimpanzees do not have souls, and only humans are made in the image and likeness of God.
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June 2, 2003, 19:23
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Chimpanzees are not humans. Chimpanzees do not have souls, and only humans are made in the image and likeness of God.
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One could also say that God was created in the image of man and not chimps
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June 2, 2003, 19:52
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This is why many are questioning the validity of this system of biological classification. Drawing discrete barriers among a continuum of individuals is very difficult.
I remember my evolutionary ecology professor mention that humans should actually be classified under the the great apes family. It makes some sense, but I don't think there's enough proof either for or against that (maybe a lil more 'for').
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June 2, 2003, 19:59
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if thereīs such a thing like a soul I donīt see why chimpanzees shouldnīt have one, too.
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June 2, 2003, 20:02
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Chimpanzees are not humans. Chimpanzees do not have souls, and only humans are made in the image and likeness of God.
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More fun with google.
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June 2, 2003, 20:04
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this thread should have been named Reclassification of Dubya
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June 2, 2003, 20:05
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Shi, scientists really can't base their conclusions around the beliefs of one religion. I don't think this even needs to be said. Probably a troll anyway.
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June 2, 2003, 20:09
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Chimps are humans? So when do we start exterminating them?
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