Analysis on potential foreign policy threat(s). - Page 3

Frankychan · June 18, 2003, 23:55

Thanks, I've been trying to figure out who is who over there and searching for their discussions in that forums but can't seem to find them. *shrug* This Comrade has been doing his duties even though I don't post that much so don't fret!

Investigating the other factions is pretty fun

Vev · June 19, 2003, 01:02

Good to see the secret police at work.

Googlie · June 19, 2003, 01:14

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Originally posted by Frankychan
Thanks, I've been trying to figure out who is who over there and searching for their discussions in that forums but can't seem to find them.

They have an "invitation only" Private Forum there too, so you wouldn't see it listed in the threads.

And Shadowlord3 goes by the same name here at 'Poly, but isn't a registered Drone here (I believe he now boycotts 'Poly 'cos of their We Kill Kittens banner ad of a year ago)

G.

Static Universe · June 19, 2003, 05:55

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Originally posted by Frankychan
Thanks, I've been trying to figure out who is who over there and searching for their discussions in that forums but can't seem to find them. *shrug* This Comrade has been doing his duties even though I don't post that much so don't fret!

Investigating the other factions is pretty fun

Excellent work, Comrade.

I feel more strongely than ever that we must secure an alliance with the CyCon when the opportunity presents itself. The Drones must be stopped.

Frankychan · June 19, 2003, 07:16

Yeah, I agree. Looking over their posts in the main thread has made me change my mind. MRT is definetely up to no good against the Hive. I'm betting that we have a fair shot at making at least peaceful relations with the CyCon...PEACE (Pirates) will probably be a close second. University....they seem semi-hostile so I'll bank that they aren't going to want to deal with us. Drone's are pretty much against us. And I can (almost) safely say that the computer is of little consequence.....unless they get too powerful.

At least on the surface, the CyCon are willing to deal with us (i.e. the polls, cartoons, debates) so they don't seem too bad. Drone's are overtly hostile so I'd say that we better start making plans for them. We should start launching a propaganda campaign to make us seem more "warm" and "friendly" to the other factions. Our past issues of PRAVDA have started to do this rather nicely.

Vev · June 20, 2003, 02:55

I like the idea of showing that we are serious about having fun and trying to crush the others.

Kody · July 7, 2003, 03:22

You know it's strange, but judging from the talk here it seems the university won't be our problem. The CyCon and Pirates will probably be at war with them from what I've seen on the forums. Rather the drones seem to have plans against us, and our police state will probably pit the data angels against us.

How would we go about defending against either the data angels or drones?

Does anyone disagree with the drones or data angels being our enemies?

I'm pretty sure the university won't bother us unless we declare war on the first. If they attack us I reckon some of the other factions will immediately jump in on our side. They probably know it too.

Would Miriman attack us?

Kody

Kody · July 7, 2003, 04:11

I've been looking closely at the map, and there looks to be a narrow channel to the west of our continent.

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(quote from googlie http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...90#post2008390)
I love continents separated by narrow channels (that can be terraformed bridged) or joined by narrow isthsmuses (that can be choke-point defended

There might be another faction on the other side. Or it could be a freeland mass though I doubt it. I think we should beeline for flexiability and start sea pod poping and finding other factions.

Kody

Snowflake · July 7, 2003, 10:01

I agree that it seems unlikely that there will be a spare continents close to any of the human factions so one faction would get an advantage over others. Doesn't look like what GooglieGod would do.

Voltaire · July 7, 2003, 14:42

Reading over the posts in this thread as well as the opinions stated in various other threads I believe we can formulate a foreign policy.

Most seem in agreements that the Drones have become actively hostile toward us. The University, though not having expressed publicly their disdain for our faction, may well be assumed to be hostile given their head of government (i.e. Archaic).

It seems agreed upon that an alliance with the CyCon would be a desirable goal, one which we should attempt to gain. But if not we can at least co-exist peacefully with them. As for the Pirates, not enough information seems available to formulate a final policy, though it may be safely said we do not desire too many enemies and hence we should attempt to make friends with them.

Lastly, the other factions will overlook our discretions against the Drones and University because they also see them as extreme threats; thus this means planet buster and nerve gas time.

Kody · July 7, 2003, 19:26

How should we go about approaching the contient to our west?

Why is Archanic hostile towards us in particular?

Kody

Haon · July 7, 2003, 21:15

I am not sure but I believe it is a combination of Ancient history and being called "The Looniversity" which probably makes them suspect that we have hostile intentions twoards them, which is not 100% true...

I think the Pirates will try and get into a hegemonic position, from which they will dictate policy without having to choose any particular ally, so they can be in a "best of both worlds situation"

I suspect that Miriam has been placed in an area that will be very advantageous for her, and thus make her difficult to take out without a fight, without a doubt she will be at war with all factions, and we will have to make a choice, whether to take her on alone, or risk allying with enemy factions to secure victory.

Roze will be a tech menace and I fear that she will become good friends with CyCon or Uni, which would potentially damage our potential relationship with CyCon.

Kody · July 7, 2003, 22:06

What I really want to know is how to deal with the worst case scenerio.

What if we're penned in by the drones, the university and the data angels.
Suppose it's the data angels on the contient west. How will we defend against their probe teams. What if all the Cycon and priates are on the other side of the world or don't care for an alliance. Or if the faction to our west is Miriam and they raise terrian and start a war with us.

How would we go about with a war over that narrow channel without chance of getting reinforcements or techs from another faction.

Also it appears there's another smaller channel to the south of our contient. What if there's another faction there too?

Imagine the worst and prepare for it. Then everything else is a pleasant surprise.

In the best case (unoccupied contient), we should get flexiability and start sending colony pods over.

Kody

Frankychan · July 8, 2003, 00:42

What I want to know is what the heck is going on in the general forum? Why have we declared our intention to try and side with the CyCon?

Kody · July 8, 2003, 10:27

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of course, 2135 is still just the early game, and as one would expect the Borgs and Uni were leading tech wise, with the Hive and Drones lagging somewhat - but with larger and better distributed populations. Pirates were strong in both areas, mainly 'cos of their ability to trade after they met the AI

The above quote from googlie.

Just reading the civilisation gaming network and some of the stuff on ACDG

Kody

Snowflake · July 8, 2003, 10:37

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Originally posted by Frankychan
What I want to know is what the heck is going on in the general forum? Why have we declared our intention to try and side with the CyCon?

Oh it's a long story. Basically all people have understood our policy differently. We determined to make friends with CyCon so when we meet them we have a basis to form aliance. But some people thought that means that we should say it out loud in the public forum. Sigh! Now the past is kind of hectic foreign relationship wise. We just have to try minimize any negative effects and learn from it and become wiser.

Vev · July 9, 2003, 10:57

Now that people may guess we are pacted with the drones, I wonder how the Cycon will react now.

Snowflake · July 9, 2003, 11:52

GooglieGod said that he would reveal the situation after 48 hours. So will he reveal that we've met the drones then?

Vev · July 9, 2003, 20:40

I doubt he would reveal what happened. Now as for pact, that would be hard to guess. But others will definately notice our exchange in tech with great leaps in the powergraph.

Googlie · July 9, 2003, 23:14

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Originally posted by HongHu
GooglieGod said that he would reveal the situation after 48 hours.

No - I said that I would review the situation after 48 hours. Big difference.

Meaning that if the Drones are still engaged in internal discussions - or are waiting for Buster to re-appear - I would rule a further extension, as clearly any delay is not the Hive's fault. I would give no reason for such an extension.

Your position, of course, is that you don't want to pass on the turn without some kind of deal in place, else the Drone scout may just destroy your colony pod next turn (currently they are unaware of its existence, as the partial map Kody sent only showed their trannie and your coastal scout and then the 2 inland scouts head-to-head. (It also showed the flags of 2 other unindentifiable units - your 2 rovers - so they presumably know that you are surrounding their scout with some strength - or have a myriad of colony pods on the move). But clearly the initiative passes to them if you end the turn prematurely

Interestingly the few comments on the delay have centered around "needing time to wipe the forum clean of Tassadar's threads"

G.

Kody · July 9, 2003, 23:22

Actually the colony pod is currently out of range.

I've figured out how to stop them from gaining the rocky group.
Voltariograd city's defender can move and prevent them from moving.

Kody

Snowflake · July 9, 2003, 23:47

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Originally posted by Googlie

No - I said that I would review the situation after 48 hours. Big difference.

G.

Oh thank you GooglieGod, for the clearification. My misreading. Not sure where my head was at the time.

Kody · July 15, 2003, 10:24

We really have to be more careful what we say to other factions in the public forums. Sometimes you're just teasing them, but they may not see it that way. So if in doubt don't say anything.

For example saying PEACE is deceptive may ruffle the pirates' feathers. I get the feeling that they're very concerned about how they appear to other factions. So people saying they're warlike publicly would be very bad for them. Most likely they will shrug it off, but there is the chance it could end up in a flame war, or a hidden grudge. If they say something bad about the hive, just nod and make it into a joke about ourselves. Don't reply back with a joke about them or something worse.

So far the two factions that went too far were the hive and the drones. It resulted in a mini flame war and a lot of our uncertainty stems from that flame war. The other three factions have actually been fairly polite. Even the university after all that abuse has been doing pretty well. Although they overstepped the bounds a bit with their treatment of Tassadar.

Actually HongHu, can you please edit that post.... I would appreciate it. Thanks.

Kody

Kody · July 15, 2003, 11:08

HongHu,

Please change that post for my peace of mind. The way that post was written made me annoyed and I'm not even a pirate. I have a feeling it may be taken the wrong way.

Kody

Snowflake · July 15, 2003, 11:32

Ok I'll edit it. I thought it was quite a harmless little joke though. But I'll do it for you, dear Comrade.

Kody · July 15, 2003, 11:33

Thanks,

I just had a really bad feeling about that comment. It's not so much the words. It's more the context. That comment also seems to change the meaning of Tassadar's and OctavianX's posts to be insults.

It looks like Herc is trying to make a joke out of it, but then that comment seems to shrug off what Herc says and reconfirms the other hive posts.

I'm just worried about the start of another problem like we're currently having with the free drones.

*heads off to bed now*

Kody

Vev · July 16, 2003, 00:58

Have anyone thought about the condition where only 3 human players may participate in a victory. That can really impact on the pacting situation (pun could be intended)

Kody · July 16, 2003, 05:56

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The Drones will gladly accept you. While I would prefer you join the glorious Hive, our Comrades in the Drones are much better than the Looniversity Dogpigs.

Heh I wonder what the drones will think when they see that line.

Kody

Snowflake · July 16, 2003, 10:36

Glad to see Comrade Tass is working on the diplomatic front.

I suppose the captalist pigdogs will not be happy though. Maybe should tune down a little even for them.

Kody · July 16, 2003, 20:57

Just be careful to not give too much away. If you mention any more about the drones, then people might think we have met them.

Kody