Field Marshall Philip Dunning seizes power in Sheepsta

[Archaic]

[OOC: It is not godmodding to invade you without your consent Sheep. You simply have to accept that fact and live with it. Furthermore, it is not godmodding for you to be defeated in battle after battle where your foes are both more numerous than you, have more experience than you, and have actually fought on the land before, so aren't in unfamiliar terrain. Indeed, it would be godmodding for you to declare much in the way of victories, because with the forces assembled against you (And I'd just like to drive the point home here by saying that it's not just Fonseca Treaty nations that have sided with me here. Why do you think it took days for me to respond to this? I've been coalition building.), you really have no hope.]


A public video letter to Field Marshall Philip Dunning, illegitimate ruler of Sheepsta, from the Elected Monarch of Alecrast, His Majesty the Lord-Captain Archaic of Flaim

I see you are no better than your predecessors in your manner of "negociation", constantly throwing your falsehoods around as if people were really blind enough to believe them. Have you hired Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf as a speach writer? Or are you simply arrogant enough to delude yourself into believing all this?

Firstly, I'll reiterate what has been said several times before. I am an Elected Monarch, not a King. There is a rather big difference, though I suppose a simpleton such as yourself wouldn't understand that.

By specifically stating in your 17 point plan that "All connections Sheepsta has to nuclear non-proliferation or first strike treaties are to be broken.", you acknowledged that Sheepsta continued to follow the precepts of those treaties up to that point. The United States of Sheepsta followed them, the North and South Sheepsta Protectorate governments followed them, and the so called "Unified Sheepstan Republics" did also.

Secondly, your threats of regional inter-alliance war faze us not. You do not have the military forces in your entire alliance to make a stand against the forces arrayed against you, and with Alecrast and Centralis land and sea based ABM systems, there is an effective protective barrier around the Eastern Sea Rim, preventing this war from going as far as you seem to wish it. The fact that your economies are still comparativly weak, meaning you can't sustain a war that isn't over quickly, also comes into consideration.

Thirdly, your threat that a war would result in the destruction of Alecrast is pathetic. Alecrast's military alone could take on the entire Mt. Gravatt treaty organisation and win if the need came, and that need will never come, I assure you. We do not threaten destruction of a nation. Such is not our wish. We have a great Sheepstan population in Alecrast, a Sheepstan population which would like to return home to their families if not for the oppressive regime awaiting them. We shall free the people of Sheepsta from your rule. You can choose to step down peacefully, or await the sniper's bullet or assassin's blade.

Forthly, your claim that we started this crisis is preposterous. You were the one that overthrew the established regime. We had no respect for that regime either, but that is entirely beiside the point. There was a cold war before you crashed in. There will be a final war now, because of your actions.

Finally.....step down? Only if I'm voted out of office. Opinion Polls seem to be holding steady for me, though it seems our next government will be my Cyphers and the Dustmen, not Cyphers and Sensates. I suppose that's to be expected, with this war footing. Then again, the Sensates even are dropping their pacifism in the face of your threats. Should be interesting to watch. And it will be. Though of course, it'll be delayed until after this period, when normal government instability following an election would be suicidal.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Sheep
We do understand your concern. However Alecrast did start this crisis, and will be held responsible.

Let me remind you with this quote:

2/ All connections Sheepsta has to nuclear non-proliferation or first strike treaties are to be broken.

It appears that Sheepsta unilaterally broke international treaties.

[Urban Ranger]

Noosland Central Command puts all fleets on alert.

[Giovanni Wine]

Many important political figures of Wine had shown their support to His Majesty the Lord-Captain Archaic of Flaim in this crisis, and are pressing the governmet to do an official declaration about the Sheepsta crisis as well.

Despite this, the Kingdom of Wine still has no official position over the crisis, as the Savonarola administration is not taking any position about the recent threats and events coming from Sheepsta.

In the senate almost every member agreed that the Sheepsta crisis must be stoped, and the Dunning government must be destroyed, however a large majority of it have also stated that the Kingdom of Wine should not get involved in it, and should instead work harder in order to find a solution for its own problems.

(OOC: who needs to get involved in foreign wars when you have a civil war just around the corner )

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Archaic
[OOC: It is not godmodding to invade you without your consent Sheep. You simply have to accept that fact and live with it. Furthermore, it is not godmodding for you to be defeated in battle after battle where your foes are both more numerous than you, have more experience than you, and have actually fought on the land before, so aren't in unfamiliar terrain. Indeed, it would be godmodding for you to declare much in the way of victories, because with the forces assembled against you (And I'd just like to drive the point home here by saying that it's not just Fonseca Treaty nations that have sided with me here. Why do you think it took days for me to respond to this? I've been coalition building.), you really have no hope.]

Who cares if Sheepsta would be destroyed in an attack. The fact is Sheepsta is mine, and what happens to it ultimatley falls on my shoulders. Therefore any attack on it will be considered godmodding and therefore ignored. This is just another argument waiting to happen Archaic, and therefore I am stopping it before it starts.

Originally posted by Archaic
By specifically stating in your 17 point plan that "All connections Sheepsta has to nuclear non-proliferation or first strike treaties are to be broken.", you acknowledged that Sheepsta continued to follow the precepts of those treaties up to that point. The United States of Sheepsta followed them, the North and South Sheepsta Protectorate governments followed them, and the so called "Unified Sheepstan Republics" did also.

This does not such thing. Nowehere have I said I was part of this treaty, with the exception of the USS. However to claim the Unfied Sheepstan Republics followed them is godmodding. I never said I would and therefore I did not. I would kindly ask you not to put words in my mouth, and stop this senseless bickering you seem to have a knack of starting.

Originally posted by Archaic
Secondly, your threats of regional inter-alliance war faze us not. You do not have the military forces in your entire alliance to make a stand against the forces arrayed against you, and with Alecrast and Centralis land and sea based ABM systems, there is an effective protective barrier around the Eastern Sea Rim, preventing this war from going as far as you seem to wish it. The fact that your economies are still comparativly weak, meaning you can't sustain a war that isn't over quickly, also comes into consideration.

I withdraw the threats then. Why? Because what you have been doing all along is blatant godmodding. Therefore I am ignoring the whole thing and treating it hence forward as never happening.

Originally posted by Archaic
Thirdly, your threat that a war would result in the destruction of Alecrast is pathetic. Alecrast's military alone could take on the entire Mt. Gravatt treaty organisation and win if the need came, and that need will never come, I assure you. We do not threaten destruction of a nation. Such is not our wish. We have a great Sheepstan population in Alecrast, a Sheepstan population which would like to return home to their families if not for the oppressive regime awaiting them. We shall free the people of Sheepsta from your rule. You can choose to step down peacefully, or await the sniper's bullet or assassin's blade.

Your claim that Alecrast would autromatically win any war is a godmod. Your claim that Sheepstans live in Alecrast is godmodding. You assainating my leader or your intention to is godmodding. Otherwise I would of done that to you already, get the picture.

Originally posted by Archaic
Forthly, your claim that we started this crisis is preposterous. You were the one that overthrew the established regime. We had no respect for that regime either, but that is entirely beiside the point. There was a cold war before you crashed in. There will be a final war now, because of your actions.

No there wont be. You started this cirsis by godmodding. As far as I am concerned there is no longer any crisis as I am IGNORING you. Do I need to repeat myself again?

Originally posted by Archaic
Finally.....step down? Only if I'm voted out of office. Opinion Polls seem to be holding steady for me, though it seems our next government will be my Cyphers and the Dustmen, not Cyphers and Sensates. I suppose that's to be expected, with this war footing. Then again, the Sensates even are dropping their pacifism in the face of your threats. Should be interesting to watch. And it will be. Though of course, it'll be delayed until after this period, when normal government instability following an election would be suicidal.

Of course this is all bullshit as there is no crisis and there is no war going to happen. Its all a huge godmodding tantrum on your part. There I guess I did need to repeat myself

[Mr. President]

The Karakas navy mounted special land-to-sea airlift operations to resupply its four carrier groups. The move is intended to keep them out at sea and away from vulnerable docking situations for up to a year.

First Minister Brian Adams announced that he had ordered all Karakasian forces placed on alert. He also warned Sheepsta to "back down before it is too late". Reports from western Karakas indicate that large numbers of Foreign Legion troops have been deployed to towns near the New Griffith border.

[Mr. President]

Your claim that Alecrast would autromatically win any war is a godmod. Your claim that Sheepstans live in Alecrast is godmodding. You assainating my leader or your intention to is godmodding. Otherwise I would of done that to you already, get the picture.

OOC:

Something must not be god-modding. If that's the attitude, how do NESs work? Don't you attack each other in NESs?

The reason I looked for an unclaimed nation for the "SLF conflict not over?" thread was to avoid the question - precisely because of this. God-modding is bad, but over-sensitivity is almost worse . . .

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Mr. President


OOC:

Something must not be god-modding. If that's the attitude, how do NESs work? Don't you attack each other in NESs?

The reason I looked for an unclaimed nation for the "SLF conflict not over?" thread was to avoid the question - precisely because of this. God-modding is bad, but over-sensitivity is almost worse . . .

I agree, but I aint going to let Archic sate his over-hungry attitutde to see me suffer.

In a NES the person who usually creates the game does not play (or at least I don't when I create them). The Mod then gives an impartial (in theory) result based on storyplot, orders and nation stats.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Who cares if Sheepsta would be destroyed in an attack. The fact is Sheepsta is mine, and what happens to it ultimatley falls on my shoulders. Therefore any attack on it will be considered godmodding and therefore ignored. This is just another argument waiting to happen Archaic, and therefore I am stopping it before it starts.

From the Nationstates Board
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15957

Godmoding is:


Saying what happens to other people's stuff.

Example: "Okay, I just blew up 300,000 of your troops!"
Why this is Godmoding: Because in FreeForm Roleplay, it's up to the person being attacked to determine their own losses. This leads to...


Refusing to take any losses. Or lose. Ever.

Example: "Oh, well, my soldiers had personal forcefields so none of them were actually hurt. "
Why this is Godmoding: This is probably where godmoding gets its name (from God Mode in Doom, where you were invincible after typing IDDQD). Naturally, if nobody ever takes a hit, the fight degenerates into "I HIT YOU!" "NO YOU DIDN'T!", etc.

"The fact is Sheepsta is mine, and what happens to it ultimatley falls on my shoulders"

That statement of yours is displaying intent to godmod under the 2nd example there. I cannot declare your losses, but

Originally posted by Sheep
This does not such thing. Nowehere have I said I was part of this treaty, with the exception of the USS. However to claim the Unfied Sheepstan Republics followed them is godmodding. I never said I would and therefore I did not. I would kindly ask you not to put words in my mouth, and stop this senseless bickering you seem to have a knack of starting.

*SIGH*
The new government of Sheepsta could not break ties with those treaties unless the Unified Sheepstan Republics was signatory to them.

Stating that the USR was not signatory to them would be to godmod Sheep. By never once stating that they were not part of them, you made that government a part of them by their association with previous Sheepstan governments. If they hadn't been a part of them, then the nations who are yelling at this new Sheepstan government now would've yelled at the USR, which didn't happen, did it?

Originally posted by Sheep
I withdraw the threats then. Why? Because what you have been doing all along is blatant godmodding. Therefore I am ignoring the whole thing and treating it hence forward as never happening.

How the **** am I godmodding Sheep? Anytime someone says something to you that you don't like, you call it godmodding. Why? Your usual excuse is that "It's not fun". Well **** that. You think it's fun for us to constantly have to beat you over the head to accept reasonable RP, when you're godmodding all over the place?

Originally posted by Sheep
Your claim that Alecrast would autromatically win any war is a godmod. Your claim that Sheepstans live in Alecrast is godmodding. You assainating my leader or your intention to is godmodding. Otherwise I would of done that to you already, get the picture.

1) I never claimed that Alecrast would automatically win any war. I stated that the COALITION would win a war against the your treaty, and with good reason, because the coalition military forces outnumber your treaty's forces by 20 to 1, and that's before even factoring in our superior technology.

2) How is my claim that Sheepstan are living in Alecrast a godmod? You've declared that Alecrastians have done things before, so why is it suddenly a godmod for me to say that some people of Sheepstan descent, who I've been claiming have settled in Alecrast for a long time now (ie. We're talking about the refugees and the Brownshirts Batallion and their families here) are suddenly a godmod now and not before? Oh, wait, I know, because it's inconvenient for you.

3) My intention to assassinate your leader is not godmodding. Me going and doing it may or may not be, depending on the circumstances. It is not godmodding for me to win a battle Sheep, but it is godmodding for you to keep refusing to lose.

Originally posted by Sheep
No there wont be. You started this cirsis by godmodding. As far as I am concerned there is no longer any crisis as I am IGNORING you. Do I need to repeat myself again?

I didn't godmod. I simply did something you didn't like. Learn the difference idiot.

Originally posted by Sheep
Of course this is all bullshit as there is no crisis and there is no war going to happen. Its all a huge godmodding tantrum on your part. There I guess I did need to repeat myself

*Laughs* The only person throwing a godmodding tantrum is you.



A public video letter to Field Marshall Philip Dunning, illegitimate ruler of Sheepsta, from the Elected Monarch of Alecrast, His Majesty the Lord-Captain Archaic of Flaim

Final warning. You and your regime quit, or we'll topple it. One way you live, the other way you die. Your choice.

[Sheep]

Hey Archaic soooo sorry to rain on your parade but I ain;t playing along. No war final. Stop bugging me.

Its godmodding to invade me in the first place. Its godmodding to assume things about my nation. Its godmodding about claiming to have superior technology.

Want me to go on?

In regards to the treaty. The Armed Republic withdrawing was the wrond terminology. Please read: The Armed Republic of Sheepsta will not sign these treaties.

After all Archiac, what happened to your 'annexation' of Sheepsta?

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Archaic
That statement of yours is displaying intent to godmod under the 2nd example there. I cannot declare your losses

I am telling you I am not up for this. I have made my intentions clear. You invade me I am not saying anything. I am simply ignoring you. Get over it.

Originally posted by Archaic
Stating that the USR was not signatory to them would be to godmod Sheep. By never once stating that they were not part of them, you made that government a part of them by their association with previous Sheepstan governments. If they hadn't been a part of them, then the nations who are yelling at this new Sheepstan government now would've yelled at the USR, which didn't happen, did it?

Already explained. It was a mis-wording that led to this. There is a distinct break where Sheepsta was not a nation at all. Therefore what the USS had done didn't apply to the USR.

Originally posted by Archaic
How the **** am I godmodding Sheep? Anytime someone says something to you that you don't like, you call it godmodding. Why? Your usual excuse is that "It's not fun". Well **** that. You think it's fun for us to constantly have to beat you over the head to accept reasonable RP, when you're godmodding all over the place?

AHh yes the proclomation that I do ALL the godmodding, you do ntohing but resonalble role play. Don;t make me throw up! Hey I got news for you. Resonable role play is to not declare war over something you have made up where you win and that you benefit, enabling you to gloat over someones misfortune and making yourself look big when clearly your nothing more than an 18 yo dipshit trying to justify why he can;t get girls, thinks that speaking in Latin once in a while is cool, and the only thing he has going for him is a unversity degree half done.

BTW when you called me dimwitted before, I would like to point out a simple fact. I am 20 years of age, doing a masters of International Relations and have had job offers from all manner of private buisness and government departments most notbly ASIO and Microsoft. Now think again before you call someone dimwitted. You aint the best, and you really need to be told that once every so often.

Originally posted by Archaic
1) I never claimed that Alecrast would automatically win any war. I stated that the COALITION would win a war against the your treaty, and with good reason, because the coalition military forces outnumber your treaty's forces by 20 to 1, and that's before even factoring in our superior technology.

What this then
'Secondly, your threats of regional inter-alliance war faze us not. You do not have the military forces in your entire alliance to make a stand against the forces arrayed against you, and with Alecrast and Centralis land and sea based ABM systems, there is an effective protective barrier around the Eastern Sea Rim, preventing this war from going as far as you seem to wish it. The fact that your economies are still comparativly weak, meaning you can't sustain a war that isn't over quickly, also comes into consideration. '

and this

'Thirdly, your threat that a war would result in the destruction of Alecrast is pathetic. Alecrast's military alone could take on the entire Mt. Gravatt treaty organisation and win if the need came, and that need will never come, I assure you. We do not threaten destruction of a nation. Such is not our wish.'

It basically in one sentence says. 'Sheep, you haven't got a rats arse's chance in hell. I am going to **** you up and laugh while I do it'

Originally posted by Archaic
2) How is my claim that Sheepstan are living in Alecrast a godmod? You've declared that Alecrastians have done things before, so why is it suddenly a godmod for me to say that some people of Sheepstan descent, who I've been claiming have settled in Alecrast for a long time now (ie. We're talking about the refugees and the Brownshirts Batallion and their families here) are suddenly a godmod now and not before? Oh, wait, I know, because it's inconvenient for you.

Ahh yes the claim that I godmod to discredit inconvenince. Hate to dissapoint you here but remember when I said Alecrastians lived in Sheepsta, you shouted IGNORE CANNONS in a nice red colour. Give me a break. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Originally posted by Archaic
3) My intention to assassinate your leader is not godmodding. Me going and doing it may or may not be, depending on the circumstances. It is not godmodding for me to win a battle Sheep, but it is godmodding for you to keep refusing to lose.

So what you are trying to say here is that if I said I won you would have to lose? Or is it godmodding for me to win but not you, cause you claim (through godmodding and ignore cannons when something pops up that you dislike) that you are superioir than me?

Also assainating my leader is godmodding, why? Because then I could just type in King Arhaic is dead. Get over it I aint playing this stupid little fantasy out for you. You invade me I am going to ignore it. If for me doing what I am entilted to do abuse me I will report you. If you still continue I will get the thread closed.

Originally posted by Archaic
I didn't godmod. I simply did something you didn't like. Learn the difference idiot.

I am no more an idiot then you although it feels as though I am talking to a brick wall. I am telling you that you haven;t yet (appart from the claim of Sheepstans living in Alecrast) However you invade me and claim to do damage without my expressed written consent, will be classed as godmodding.

Originally posted by Archaic

*Laughs* The only person throwing a godmodding tantrum is you.

By godmodding tantrum, I mean a huge amount of justification for an alleged soon to be godmodding event. Therefore it is you that ic chucking this tantrum not me. I am merely attempting to prevent you from doing this.

Originally posted by Archaic
A public video letter to Field Marshall Philip Dunning, illegitimate ruler of Sheepsta, from the Elected Monarch of Alecrast, His Majesty the Lord-Captain Archaic of Flaim

Final warning. You and your regime quit, or we'll topple it. One way you live, the other way you die. Your choice.

My leader tells yours to go get ****ed. If you invade me I will talk to Drogue and see what he says. Considering he is the expert on godmodding. IF he says I have to play ball I am more than ready to fight you, and if you think you will come up trumps your wrong.

[Giovanni Wine]

Personally I don't think that wars or invasions should be considered godmodding, I mean when two nations war each other it doesn't necessarly mean they agreed on waring each other (for example when Japan invaded China back in WW2), sometimes we have examples of nations or countries agreeing in waring each other (Rome and Cartaghe) but that's surely not the rule of thumb.

It would be a godmodding from Archaic to declare that he invaded you and that he managed to destroy your forces, but it surely isn't a godmodding from his part to say that he is invading you, and writing up plans for how he is going to do it.

It is basically the same as what the first NESes were. No moderators at all, you decide to invade someone and that someone will respond to your attacks, until one of them decide he is defeated (generally using some good sense) and he is settling for peace.

We are all people of good sense here, so I don't think we should have moderators doing our battles for us... or not?

Saluti

[Sheep]

All right. I will listen to Giovanni. I respect his judgement and withdraw my claims that invading me without me wanting it would be godmodding.

However the Special Forces of Mt.Gravatt, part of the classified forces have been deployed. They will strike as soon as the first shot is fired.

A message from Field Marshall Philip Dunning of the Armed Republic of Sheepsta to King Archaic of Alecrast

If you are determined on war that you shall have it. I will not vacate power nor sign any treaties. Your so called rightwousness will be proven to be nothing but a grand farce and you will soon learn the true extent of your folly.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Its godmodding to invade me in the first place. Its godmodding to assume things about my nation. Its godmodding about claiming to have superior technology.

Not godmodding to invade. As for assumptions, I'm only going by what you've stated in places, and by how reasonable RP constrains you. For example, with technology.....

You have been a backwater nation for about a decade of game time, during which you had many people, but a horrible economy, with most of it focused towards military spending. You've been under blanket trade embargo's from some of the largest economies in the region, economies which are also some of the largest producers of military hardware in the region. And you're currently under even more embargos than before, from nations which previously were trading with you, but who now are part of the coalition of nations preparing to invade you.

Let me make an analogy. You are Iraq. We (For this is not just Alecrast here), are the Coalition. Get the picture?

Originally posted by Sheep
In regards to the treaty. The Armed Republic withdrawing was the wrond terminology. Please read: The Armed Republic of Sheepsta will not sign these treaties.

After all Archiac, what happened to your 'annexation' of Sheepsta?

I was waiting for you to try and do this. Again, remember that if the Unified Republics of Sheepsta had not been a part of these treaties, that this would have happened then also. It didn't. Therefore, on the grounds of reasonable RP, it is unreasonable for you to retro-activly declare this. Even if it was only you not signing the treaties, everything we've said here would still hold, because no nation is willing to let a nuclear power go around selling WMD's to terrorists.

Originally posted by Sheep
AHh yes the proclomation that I do ALL the godmodding, you do ntohing but resonalble role play. Don;t make me throw up! Hey I got news for you. Resonable role play is to not declare war over something you have made up where you win and that you benefit, enabling you to gloat over someones misfortune and making yourself look big when clearly your nothing more than an 18 yo dipshit trying to justify why he can;t get girls, thinks that speaking in Latin once in a while is cool, and the only thing he has going for him is a unversity degree half done.

BTW when you called me dimwitted before, I would like to point out a simple fact. I am 20 years of age, doing a masters of International Relations and have had job offers from all manner of private buisness and government departments most notbly ASIO and Microsoft. Now think again before you call someone dimwitted. You aint the best, and you really need to be told that once every so often.

I must say, I'm rather amused by everything you seem to think about my intentions with this. Let me spell a few things out for you.

1) Life =/= Fair
2) Therefore ==> Reasonable Roleplay =/= Fair

If you're really doing a Master's in International Relations, I fear for Griffith University (Not to mention ASIO and Microsoft, but then, we already knew they were crap), because the simple fact is that you have no diplomatic skills whatsoever. I don't judge people by mearly their credentials Sheep. I just them by their actions. And for someone who's supposedly older than me, you certainly are acting rather childish. Am I the best? **** no. But am I better than you? I'll let everyone else be the judge here, but by actions alone, I believe I stand head and shoulders above you, and then some.

Oh yes, and just so you know my reasons for declaring war.

1) You are an evil military dictatorship
2) You have WMD
3) You are selling aforementioned WMD to terrorists. Even my ABC reporter was able to buy one (Read the ABC thread and weep Sheep)
4) You spend most of your budget on military
5) You are right next door, and therefore a clear and present threat to my nation with the aforementioned WMD and military
6) Your nation's regime (And apparently you personally) apparently has a grudge against my nation (and me personally)
7) My leader feels a responsibility to clean up the mess he left by not eliminating New Sheepsta to begin with (Not to mention that the hardline stance against the current Sheepsta regime is really helping his opinion polls in this, an election year in Alecrast)

Now do you get it? By suddenly turning into a military junta, you *INVITED* this kind of action against you. You started this whole affair, not us. Couldn't you even see what you had coming when you did this?

Originally posted by Sheep
It basically in one sentence says. 'Sheep, you haven't got a rats arse's chance in hell. I am going to **** you up and laugh while I do it'

Where did it say I would automatically win the war though? All you've shown is my Monarch being confident in his military's ability to take you on.

Originally posted by Sheep
Ahh yes the claim that I godmod to discredit inconvenince. Hate to dissapoint you here but remember when I said Alecrastians lived in Sheepsta, you shouted IGNORE CANNONS in a nice red colour. Give me a break. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Could that be because there's been a declared travel ban to Sheepsta for those holding Alecrast citizenship since the very beginning? I haven't prevented Sheepstans coming over though, and you never cried earlier about these people who I've had established as having lived in Alecrast for quite some time. Unlike with you, I'm not creating them for the sake of convenience to justify a position. Mine already existed.

(The same thing goes for these so called "Special Forces" you've suddenly declared you have. Though how they're going to have any effect is quite beyond me, given the matchups.)

Originally posted by Sheep
So what you are trying to say here is that if I said I won you would have to lose? Or is it godmodding for me to win but not you, cause you claim (through godmodding and ignore cannons when something pops up that you dislike) that you are superioir than me?

I've Ignore Cannoned godmodding Sheep. The fact I dislike it is irrelevant. Here's a challenge for you. Justify how I am not superior to you, and how it would be godmodding for me to say that? Let me repeat what I said above.

You have been a backwater nation for about a decade of game time, during which you had many people, but a horrible economy, with most of it focused towards military spending. You've been under blanket trade embargo's from some of the largest economies in the region, economies which are also some of the largest producers of military hardware in the region. And you're currently under even more embargos than before, from nations which previously were trading with you, but who now are part of the coalition of nations preparing to invade you.


Now then, back to the point, I am saying that it is not godmodding for me to say that my (Read "Coalition", meaning more than just Alecrast) forces have won battles. Even you cannot deny the fact that you are outnumbered, and while you try to deny it, in reality, it's godmodding for you to even think about saying that you're on equal terms with us all insofar as technology goes. In other words....

Superior Numbers + Superior Weaponry + At least equal training = Going to win battles

What I cannot do however is state just how badly I've beaten you. However, given the odds, it would be godmodding for you to not lose by a substantial margin.

Originally posted by Sheep
I am no more an idiot then you although it feels as though I am talking to a brick wall. I am telling you that you haven;t yet (appart from the claim of Sheepstans living in Alecrast) However you invade me and claim to do damage without my expressed written consent, will be classed as godmodding.

I can claim to have damaged whatever I like. It is up to you to say exactly what damage I've actually done. HOWEVER, it is godmodding for you to claim rediculously low levels of damage (or insanely high levels of civilian and collaterial damage for that matter) given the weaponry being used against you, and the comparative powers of the forces. Again, I repeat, you are like Iraq, and we are like the Coalition.

Originally posted by Sheep
By godmodding tantrum, I mean a huge amount of justification for an alleged soon to be godmodding event. Therefore it is you that ic chucking this tantrum not me. I am merely attempting to prevent you from doing this.

You doing your whole military junta bit was all the justification I needed, and what I'm about to do is no godmod, as you acknowledged in your posts with Mr. President. If you wanted to have me not invade you, why did you even suddenly declare yourself a military junta and give me a reason to on a silver platter? If you're truly not stupid, than I'd have to say that you intentionally goaded me into organising an invasion. Why you'd do that when you're so obviously overmatched by Fonseca and the other Coalition allies is beyond me.

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Giovanni Wine


It is basically the same as what the first NESes were. No moderators at all, you decide to invade someone and that someone will respond to your attacks, until one of them decide he is defeated (generally using some good sense) and he is settling for peace.

We are all people of good sense here, so I don't think we should have moderators doing our battles for us...

I agree 100%.

Maybe a new thread?

[Mr. President]

New thread, if you wish.

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Archaic

(The same thing goes for these so called "Special Forces" you've suddenly declared you have. Though how they're going to have any effect is quite beyond me, given the matchups.)

One other player has known about them for a while. He has kept the info on them hidden. I have declared I had them a while ago in a post, or hinted at them. They are classified for intellegience reasons. Oh and they will have an affect trust me.

Originally posted by Archaic
You have been a backwater nation for about a decade of game time, during which you had many people, but a horrible economy, with most of it focused towards military spending. You've been under blanket trade embargo's from some of the largest economies in the region, economies which are also some of the largest producers of military hardware in the region. And you're currently under even more embargos than before, from nations which previously were trading with you, but who now are part of the coalition of nations preparing to invade you.

Bring it on then. I mean if you are so confident that your embargoed actually worked. There are ways of gaining weapons needed.

Originally posted by Archaic
Now then, back to the point, I am saying that it is not godmodding for me to say that my (Read "Coalition", meaning more than just Alecrast) forces have won battles. Even you cannot deny the fact that you are outnumbered, and while you try to deny it, in reality, it's godmodding for you to even think about saying that you're on equal terms with us all insofar as technology goes. In other words....

Superior Numbers + Superior Weaponry + At least equal training = Going to win battles

Thats why the Italians lost in Abysiinya in the 1890's. All right I know the current odds are slightly against me. However that may change very soon.

Originally posted by Archaic
What I cannot do however is state just how badly I've beaten you. However, given the odds, it would be godmodding for you to not lose by a substantial margin.

I'll admit defeats, only if you admit defeat and surrender to me at the end of the war. You wont win, neither will I, but by the time I am through with you, ytou would wish you hadn;t gone to war. By the above quote you are basically saying you can;t lose, and If I win I am cheating. Some war this is going to be. Why don;t I end over for you now?

Originally posted by Archaic
I can claim to have damaged whatever I like. It is up to you to say exactly what damage I've actually done. HOWEVER, it is godmodding for you to claim rediculously low levels of damage (or insanely high levels of civilian and collaterial damage for that matter) given the weaponry being used against you, and the comparative powers of the forces. Again, I repeat, you are like Iraq, and we are like the Coalition.

I am not like Iraq. Yes I wont probably win this war. But neither will you. You are not as strong as the coaltion and the Treaty of Mt.Gravatt goes far beyond the boundaries of Apolyton just so you know.

Originally posted by Archaic
You doing your whole military junta bit was all the justification I needed, and what I'm about to do is no godmod, as you acknowledged in your posts with Mr. President. If you wanted to have me not invade you, why did you even suddenly declare yourself a military junta and give me a reason to on a silver platter? If you're truly not stupid, than I'd have to say that you intentionally goaded me into organising an invasion. Why you'd do that when you're so obviously overmatched by Fonseca and the other Coalition allies is beyond me.

Funny hey the military junta was to make myself the corrupt dictatorship I was in NS. Anyways, you will see the consquences of your actions before too long.

[Urban Ranger]

Noosland has sortied all attack subs and boomers, and all forces are placed on high alert just in case something funny happens.

[Giovanni Wine]

Originally posted by Sheep
One other player has known about them for a while. He has kept the info on them hidden. I have declared I had them a while ago in a post, or hinted at them. They are classified for intellegience reasons. Oh and they will have an affect trust me.

On this point Sheep is right.

(unfortunatly I'd dare day)

Saluti

[Jack_www]

Jackson opposes taking millitary action against the SHeepstan government at this time. This crisis needs to resolved peacefully. A all out nuclear war could result, and even though many nations in Apolyton have ABM systems, such systems are never prefect, and a city or two could be destroyed. The Jackson government is willing to set up a meating between the SHeepstan and Alecrast governments in our nation.

[Jack_www]

The Free State of Califiornia supports of Alecrast and will join all nations trying to rid the world of the Sheepstan government. Despite the missgivings of our ally Jackson we will send troops to be apart of the effort to dissarm Sheepsta.

[Sheep]

Field Marshall Dunning is willing to accept meditation, but will not give power to a government that is weak, give WMD up or sign treaties that it finds are damaging to Sheepsta's well being.

If anyone can convince me otherwise we shall have something to talk about, however a government that has no reason not to have WMD sign any treaty or change their power structure should not be invaded for the express purpose of the other nation' concern.