I'm Going Conservative

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm not a conservative... I'm a moderate libertarian .

[Ecthy]

Imran, please. We won't lie about ourselves here.

Be honest.

[Ecthy]

Does anybody else want to answer for Imran?

[Spiffor]

Static :

In reaction to your first post, it seems you are reacting to extreme left (or rather extreme liberalism) because you hanged out with close-minded liberal people. Close-mindeness isn't exclusively a feat of the 'other side', unlike what lefties and righties often enjoy to think. Actually, you'll find it equally spread in all the political spectrum, except at the extremes where people are much more close-minded than anywhere else.

You should ignore those people who cannot understand that you don't like Noam Chomski (isn't he the guy who thinks Jews are behind Sept 11 anyway ? ) or that you like Nixon.
But you shouldn't ignore the ideology they pretend to belong to. Rather, you should do the opposite of them, and looking for the good things the 'liberals' are doing, even if your liberal friends defend it poorly.

I don't know about your examples as they are very American, but I'd say that

- the vegetable-car guy may have a good idea to reduce atmospheric pollution, i.e the most immediate challenge for the future of our environment. Let's just think if his way is efficient or not, rather than ridiculing or laudating him

- ignore the likes of Franken (no idea of who he is actually), and watching O'Reilly will be enough to see he is full of **** anyway.

- Do you have to be a conservative to consider Bill Clinton as a lying scumbag ? If then, I am a big conservative

- I think it is a proof of you being reflexive to say that Moore lies in his works. It is the same as saying Limbaugh lies in his show. Both are using old techniques of propaganda for their side. If only the conservatives can criticize Moore, then the conservatives must be fecked up big time, because by this logic, only liberals can criticize Limbaugh

- I have no idea on how the Liberals have ruined America's education system, but it sure needs change. I'd advise to look at suggested changes no matter where they come from, with a critical view. Not like saying "it is liberal, it must suck" or "it is conservative, it must rock" (too many partisans are doing it)

- Did anybody here (and we have a few of the extreme left here as well) defend the veiled woman and her driver licence's photo ? Liberalism or leftism isn't about tolerating everything.

- I thought the "Government is gonna get you" was a conservative propaganda, because I thought most Republican voters wanted to have the big government out of their backs. I don't think it is liberal to criticize the current administration's doings when it comes to freedom, especially in the light of the Patriot Act. Most conservatives here will tell it is a horrible piece of paper, along with the liberals.

As a conclusion, don't BE liberal, or don't BE conservative. I'd advise you to have the values you want, and to judge things individually according to these values. The liberals are sometimes better than the conservatives, and vice-versa. Please don't become close-minded like the people who disgusted you of liberalism.

[Ben Kenobi]

Dark Side? We're the side of peace and light!

That works in so many ways for me to post this.

Do I count as a conservative on the forum?

[Dis]

conservatives are evil and uncaring.

I'm doing everything possible to not become a conservative, although I'm still accused of being one.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by notyoueither


And what we are proposing to do in Canada will only make that worse. It will not be illegal to possess it, but it will be illegal to sell it. That means there could very well be growth in the number of people who want to use it, but they will all be driven to criminals who may well introduce them to 'better' stuff.

Liberalism. Gotta love it.

Appeasing the US. Gotta love it.

Vote NDP! Vote for Real Legalization!

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Quote:

Who doesn't believe that?

I don't... open the borders up!

I am fine with that as long as we Canucks get to deport all the Canadian Alliance dolts to the country they love so much and out of the country they hate so much.

[Ned]

Static Universe, the definition of a conservation in the United States is a person who begins to junk his ideology in favor of common sense.

Welcome to reality!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
Static Universe, the definition of a conservation in the United States is a person who begins to junk his ideology in favor of common sense.

Welcome to reality!

Translation : a person who junks its political will of approaching common problems in favour of his greed and prejudices

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by St Leo
Appeasing the US. Gotta love it.

Vote NDP! Vote for Real Legalization!

Just what does not wanting to see more heroin addicts, more pushers, and more gang violence in Canada have to do with appeasing Americans?

Yeah, vote NDP. Then we can have our economies flushed down the toilet from coast to coast! Maybe we'll all be able to make a living out of home grown 'businesses' exporting bud to the US, cause that and the public sector is about all that'll still be working if we give those wingnuts a chance at power in the federal government.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by St Leo


I am fine with that as long as we Canucks get to deport all the Canadian Alliance dolts to the country they love so much and out of the country they hate so much.

Are you a left wing wiglaf?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Ned
Static Universe, the definition of a conservation in the United States is a person who begins to junk his ideology in favor of common sense.

Welcome to reality!

Common sense.... Reality......

Ned, would you care to remind us about the "Everyone in the world is lying! All the Iraqis are in it too!!! It's a conspiracy.....But this ONE journalist is telling us the truth in Iraq, and that is: There are no bad things happening The Americans are glorious Everyone else is LYING "

[The Templar]

You know, the reason why marijuana is a so-called "gateway drug" is that the majority of people who do hard drugs like cocaine and heroine used pot first. Of course most hard drug users used cigarettes and alcohol first.

Isn't it always conservatives who are standing up for the right to smoke tobacco? Isn't it always conservatives who take money from Coors?

What's that sound in your head, Static Universe? I think its cognitive dissonace.

[Ben Kenobi]

I am fine with that as long as we Canucks get to deport all the Canadian Alliance dolts to the country they love so much and out of the country they hate so much.

Since when does the CA hate Canada? They are hard-core federalists.

The West just wants adequate representation, within Canada.

[Odin]

My mom said that her life was better under the Democrats (Carter and Clinton) than under the Republicans. She and My Dad allways say that when a republican is in office the rich got richer and the poor get poorer. My family on both sides has been socialist ever since they came to the US.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


Common sense.... Reality......

Ned, would you care to remind us about the "Everyone in the world is lying! All the Iraqis are in it too!!! It's a conspiracy.....But this ONE journalist is telling us the truth in Iraq, and that is: There are no bad things happening The Americans are glorious Everyone else is LYING "

Tass, Do you even care about the truth? I think you extreme lefties would approach the question of whether there are four fingers or five from Orwell's 1984 with the quick answer that the boss was holding up five fingers if that is what he told you to he was holding up.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Odin
My mom said that her life was better under the Democrats (Carter and Clinton) than under the Republicans. She and My Dad allways say that when a republican is in office the rich got richer and the poor get poorer. My family on both sides has been socialist ever since they came to the US.

I am sure, Odin, that you and your family owe nothing to private enterprise, right?

[Ned]

Originally posted by The Templar
You know, the reason why marijuana is a so-called "gateway drug" is that the majority of people who do hard drugs like cocaine and heroine used pot first. Of course most hard drug users used cigarettes and alcohol first.

Isn't it always conservatives who are standing up for the right to smoke tobacco? Isn't it always conservatives who take money from Coors?

What's that sound in your head, Static Universe? I think its cognitive dissonace.

Smoking tobacco and smoking pot are two different things.

The best anology is defending one's right to drink alcohol until one is "stoned." If this is legal, why not pot?

Well, once we tried to ban alcohol and produced crime and corruption instead. We were forced to legalize it once more, even though there seems still to be a consensus that getting stoned on alcohol is not desirable socially.

If you ever doubt what I just said, try to imagine living with an alocholic spouse or parent. It is a horrible experience.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Ned
I am sure, Odin, that you and your family owe nothing to private enterprise, right?

Because we had to to survive.

[Mr. President]

"Ooh, look at me, I'm an American with a high standard of living, and I hate the free market! I'm such a compassionate humane liberal! Give me a Nobel Prize!"

[Odin]

Originally posted by Mr. President
"Ooh, look at me, I'm an American with a high standard of living, and I hate the free market! I'm such a compassionate humane liberal! Give me a Nobel Prize!"

My family is working class, High standard of living my @ss!

Hey that rhymes!!!

[Sava]

dear god, that first post was disturbing to read

I like Richard Nixon

so does Satan, I'm sure

[Sava]

try to imagine living with an alocholic spouse or parent

big deal... addiction is the problem, the medium is irrelevant

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by BeBro
Is that a coming out? What did your parents say?

Nah, my parents aren't a factor here. Mom passed away years ago and I don't ever see my father. Everyone in my family is Republican anyway. And die-hard Catholics to boot. Irish and Italians roots, you know. My uncle and cousins are cops and my brother is an ex-Marine now in college to become (he hopes) an officer. Very big Bush supporters.

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by monolith94
"Last I heard those people could leave whenever they wanted." How much do you know about the situation of the Native Americans, exactly? How much do you know?

I don't know anything about it. There are no Indian reservations in Missouri that I am aware of, so I have no concerns regarding the issue. I am completely descended from fairly recent immigrants, who stole no land from the Indians and placed no one on reservations, so I don't think of it as my problem. I feel for these people about their plight, but it simply isn't my problem.

Are you insane??? My community is not broken up, and my city has a TREMENDOUS amount of control over the school. And don't even get me STARTED on our school pride. All the federal government does is give money... You are insane - verifiably insane.

I congratulate you on you excellent school system, but I think you may be out of touch with the actual reality for most American school children.

[Static Universe]

Originally posted by Arrian
You started out conservative (you said so yourself) and now are returning to that ideology, after a (brief?) foray into liberalism.

That's not really shocking.

-Arrian

Nor is it meant to be. I am simply stating my position. Personally, I do not see liberalism as evil, as so many of my conservative brethen like to pretend. I believe good government is achieved through a dialectical negotiation between the two ideologies.

On the other hand, I think they have gotten too big for their brtiches and it's time to crush them into submission. I'm tired of constant whining and protesting. Just because you have free speech it doesn't mean I want to hear you.

[C0ckney]

interestingly (or perhaps, not very ) i was fairly left wing when i was younger, but have gotten a lot more conservative recently.

i think it's partly because i come from a working class family, since labour have come to power we have seen higher taxes, with nothing to show for it. the classes in my younger sisters' schools are the same size as mine were, you still wait a bloody age in A&E and yet we pay a lot more for the privilage. i suppose it's also partly because i live in the countryside now, and it's quite shocking to see how much the left hates us, the fox hunting issue and ever increasing petrol prices being prime examples. uni has also been a big factor, as iain will tell you, student organisations are almost without exception hard left, there is something that leaves a sour taste in the mouth about an organisation which is supposed to represent the student body going around swansea shouting about defending traitor MP george galloway or 'war crimes' in iraq (and, of course, not saying anything critical about the brutal regime that we removed...).

[Static Universe]

Well, I wish I had time to respond to every post individually, but I'm in quite a rush today. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, both pro and con.

You've given me a lot to think about.

[MrFun]

** read thread's title **

Sigh -- another misguided person.