Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, 15+ Dead - Page 3

Az · June 11, 2003, 12:54

You also have to get him inside Israel.

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Israel does not intend to get a cease fire with Hamas. Either Abu Mazen fights them, or we will - using our own methods.

I see Siro's here, so I can go again now.

Panag · June 11, 2003, 12:58

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Originally posted by Eli

Suicide bomber in Jenin.
One bomb ingredient in Hebron, other in Tul Karem.
Gather intelligence about IDF roadblocks and positions, avoid the curfews, sieges and roadblocks. All this only to bring the bomb components to one place, to the bomb maker. Then do the same to get the bomb to the suicider.

Gather intelligence about the target, about ways to pass the IDF, about ways to escape the police inside Israel, about the security at the target, now the suicider needs to make all the trip(and not get caught, in which case you'll never hear about it in Germany) and blow up.

It takes weeks.

hi ,

the german thing , funny how some people fail to read or to even find the idf's website , ......

that they cant read GLZ's ( maybe in english sooner then later btw ) pages cause there in hebrew , agreed , but there is plenty of news , they just dont want to see it , as for most people would do so then they would have to acknowledge that they are wrong , ....

have a nice day

Ecthy · June 11, 2003, 13:02

panag - can you imagine some people don't *want* to read sites that are quite clearly associated with one of the conflict parties? there are more independant sources available, you know, at least more than the IDF website

go back to your diamonds and the gold that you robbed from other people by sneaking them on loan deals, Jew

Sirotnikov · June 11, 2003, 13:05

Wow.

This is like the first time ever Israel has a well organized and serious public relations effort.

good job

Sirotnikov · June 11, 2003, 13:06

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go back to your diamonds and the gold that you robbed from other people by sneaking them on loan deals, Jew

Can he be banned please?

Ecthy · June 11, 2003, 13:09

yeah, ban him, he's too greedy

Panag · June 11, 2003, 13:11

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
panag - can you imagine some people don't *want* to read sites that are quite clearly associated with one of the conflict parties? there are more independant sources available, you know, at least more than the IDF website

go back to your diamonds and the gold that you robbed from other people by sneaking them on loan deals, Jew

no , but they read and quote hamas and the pa , ....

there is one theory down the drain

and what gold have we robbed , ..... as a jew i take that as a personal insult , now go and post your trolling bs somewhere else

Ecthy · June 11, 2003, 13:14

the sources I read don't quote the Palestinian authorities more frequently than the state of Israel.

are the palestinian authorities inherently a bad source?

what a bigotted attitude, complaining about Germans that don't want a Jewish-only viewpoint.

swallow a diamond, suffocate.

Edan · June 11, 2003, 13:21

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
are the palestinian authorities inherently a bad source?

Well, the government controlled press service continues to describe Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa, etc, as "freedom fighters", despite Abbas stating that he would condemn such actions as terrorism.

And quit with the insults.

Panag · June 11, 2003, 13:22

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
the sources I read don't quote the Palestinian authorities more frequently than the state of Israel.

are the palestinian authorities inherently a bad source?

what a bigotted attitude, complaining about Germans that don't want a Jewish-only viewpoint.

swallow a diamond, suffocate.

you have to learn to read , and dont post personal insults

Ecthy · June 11, 2003, 13:24

strange, and contradictional, too... because the sources I prefer to the IDF website never do that

maybe it's a rift in our continuum.... or panag is just an idiot?

Panag · June 11, 2003, 13:25

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
strange, and contradictional, too... because the sources I prefer to the IDF website never do that

maybe it's a rift in our continuum.... or panag is just an idiot?

learn to read , where does it say that its about you , ...where , nowhere

and post your personal insults somewhere else

Edan · June 11, 2003, 13:27

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
or panag is just an idiot?

Are you just a troll?

Ecthy · June 11, 2003, 13:27

you said I could find all the info on the IDF site, I said I don't trust it, I prefer my own, western sites, you said they quote the PA, I reacted, you contradict yourself. you're just trying to do what your people can do best - twist it all around until it fits your cause

go home

PS: quite honestly, why do some of these guys fit perfectly in all those negative clichees?

Ecthy · June 11, 2003, 13:28

Edan, please. you should have been able to follow the logics. Unless you're panag 2. In that case, go home.

Ming · June 11, 2003, 13:29

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
go back to your diamonds and the gold that you robbed from other people by sneaking them on loan deals, Jew

Take your crap somewhere else Ecthelion... because one more post like that and you are toast.

Panag · June 11, 2003, 13:29

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
you said I could find all the info on the IDF site, I said I don't trust it, I prefer my own, western sites, you said they quote the PA, I reacted, you contradict yourself. you're just trying to do what your people can do best - twist it all around until it fits your cause

go home

PS: quite honestly, why do some of these guys fit perfectly in all those negative clichees?

learn to read , read the messages , they are not even edited , ..... read them !

and even that still does not justify you posting insults or trolling here with stupid remarks , ...

not after 17 are dead

D' Artagnan · June 11, 2003, 13:30

How can you make peace with those ****ing heartless terrorist SOBs in front of you ?

This whole thing makes me sick

Edan · June 11, 2003, 13:30

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
Edan, please. you should have been able to follow the logics. Unless you're panag 2. In that case, go home.

Where do personal insults fit in logic?

FrustratedPoet · June 11, 2003, 13:31

Now, wasn't this place much more boring while Ecthy was away?

Ecthy · June 11, 2003, 13:32

Edan, sources logic, please. what reason would I have to trust an IDF site? it's a conflict party, so simple.

panag - you shouldn't try to abuse 17 dead people as a shield

Ming - these guys are asking for it.

Panag · June 11, 2003, 13:34

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Originally posted by D' Artagnan
How can you make peace with those ****ing heartless terrorist SOBs in front of you ?

This whole thing makes me sick

hi ,

this would make any normal person sick , ....

my respects to the haredi who do the clean up , many people would not have the stomach for it , .....

have a nice day

Ming · June 11, 2003, 13:36

Ecthelion... I would sugest you check your PM's... the clock is ticking.

Edan · June 11, 2003, 13:36

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
Edan, sources logic, please. what reason would I have to trust an IDF site? it's a conflict party, so simple.

I never argued that you should trust an IDF site. I gave a reason why you shouldn't trust a Palestinian site, and I took issues with your personal insults.

I'm no fan of panag, but I haven't seen him spouting personal insults in every post of his.

Agathon · June 11, 2003, 13:36

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
panag, Agathon is being sarcastic.... and if not, he's to be ignored. like Eli

At least somebody gets it.

To the Israelis here: sure you have an interest in what's going on, but you can't expect everyone to agree with you all the time.

If you can't see that the Palestinians have been hard done by, both by Israel and by the World Community, then I despair for you. These people are living under a form of apartheid. It's a bit unfair to expect them to play nice when they don't get any joy from anyone and the supposed "impartial" negotiator just isn't. They have no vote or civil rights - do you expect them to just lie down and take it?

Israel is going to have to give up a lot to make things better - and it should, by rights, give up a lot more. Under the United Nations declaration of human rights everyone has a right to return to his or her country. This goes for the Palestinian refugees no less than anyone else. The only reason Israel has for stopping them returning to their own country is that Arabs would wield a great deal more electoral power in Israel than they currently do. Most civilised countries do not prevent immigration on basis of race and to run a country based on purity of race is anathema to the most basic notions of human rights.