Terrorism should be incorporated in C3: Conquests

The Emperor Fabulous · June 11, 2003, 16:52

I feel that, even though we all hate terrorism, it is a part of human civilization. The game boasts an incredibly true-to-life basis, so it should indeed incorporate one of the greatest modern threats.

Now I'm not saying that it should be a technological advance; far from it. Perhaps it could be incorporated in Nationalism as another espionage tactic, or fall under governments, or something like that.

It was taken out after September 11th. I feel that it should be put back in.

bobbo008 · June 11, 2003, 17:00

i think an espionage act works well, as getting caught lowers your image or using hidden nationality units.

Hellish · June 11, 2003, 17:42

Why not have barbarians become terrorists in the modern era? They could run into a city (Using a horse or car or something) and recruit civs and run off with them etc..

CrONoS · June 11, 2003, 17:55

Espionage work good, since we all know that's terrorism is financed by country in 90% of time...
But maybe a better espionnage system can be good.

see ya

The Emperor Fabulous · June 11, 2003, 18:12

Would all governments be able to support terrorism? If any western democracy in this day and age were found to support terrorism, there would be severe social chaos.

Hellish · June 11, 2003, 18:33

How do you 'find' a country supporting terrorism? You dont really, you only support terrorism if 1-2 superpowers say you do

The Emperor Fabulous · June 11, 2003, 23:29

Well...they'd have to make it a bit more gameworthy

The Pioneer · June 12, 2003, 01:40

Fundamentalist gov't should be able to support terrorist groups. It's an essential part of world politics/diplomacy in the last years.

So long....

statusperfect · June 12, 2003, 04:55

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Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
The game boasts an incredibly true-to-life basis

civ3 is a fantasy game with some similarities to reality

still terrorism would be fun

cheers

BulMaster · June 12, 2003, 06:24

well the only reality in civ3 is that ppl live in cities

terrorism will be good

like you can finance your own group and plan to crash a plain in a WTC( they can add it as a small wonder so everyone can build and get it destroyed)

Finarfin · June 12, 2003, 12:16

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Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
If any western democracy in this day and age were found to support terrorism, there would be severe social chaos.

That's either an incredibly optimistic outlook, or incredibly naive.

cookieman · June 12, 2003, 12:46

terrorism is already in civ 3 to a certain extent. if you go to the espionage screen you see sabotage work. what do you think that means? the shields just disappear? my hoover dam walls just go "poof" and are gone? um no, they get blown up or destroyed in some kind of brutal manner, cuz last time i checked magic wasnt in this game so the walls dont disappear by some form of magic

I believe that barbs should become terrorist units and upgrade along with the weakest civ. i.e. germany is the least technologically advanced civ. all they have are cavalry therefore all barbs become cavalry, that would be better than warriors in 2020 AD.

CrONoS · June 12, 2003, 13:16

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cuz last time i checked magic wasnt in this game so the walls dont disappear by some form of magic

I really doubt it... i'm sure magic is in the game

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cookieman · June 12, 2003, 13:55

in all reality what more do you need for terrorism? i.e. you have a nice space shuttle hull almost completed and then in a single turn its gone. that sounds pretty terrorizing to me, just my opinion tho

if you want more destruction from terrorism tho, i could see for espionage, a separate command such as "plant terrorist" and then the terrorist would have separate commands such as "destroy population"- that would kill one pop. unit, "destroy city improvement"-destroys random city improvement, and "destroy wonder"-destroys random city wonder that already exists

of course these would be more costly than using spies. perhaps 4000gp to destroy a wonder with a 35% chance of success. but still these are just my opinions, but like i said i think there is enough terrorism as is

statusperfect · June 12, 2003, 18:08

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Originally posted by BulMaster
terrorism will be good

like you can finance your own group and plan to crash a plain in a WTC( they can add it as a small wonder so everyone can build and get it destroyed)

cheers

Kuciwalker · June 12, 2003, 19:08

Yes, it should be in; no, it won't be in. The sensitivity is still there. Plus, how would they advertise it? "Engage in international terrorism"?

CrONoS · June 12, 2003, 19:42

And sometime your own terrorism groups rebels against theirs financor and attack him (like for the taliban and u.s.a.)!!...

cookieman · June 13, 2003, 08:00

i thought i had established the fact that terrorism is already in the game.

its fine the way it is, just leave it. to make it any more complex would be programming hell, especially when trying to balance the game. this is really a done deal. its in the game now, so that should be good enough

sabrewolf · June 13, 2003, 19:11

terrorism what most of you are thinking of is historicly meaningless. although nearly 3000 people died in the attacks in sep 2001 (and in the counter attacks 300'000), these numbers aren't anything.

in WW1 there was the battle at the Somme (a french river) where an estimated 1/4 to 1/2 million people died in just a few days. in WW2 russians and germans lots several million soldiers in just a few months.
the pest killed nearly half of continental europe's population.
... as long as these things aren't in the game, terrorism isn't worth mentioning. it's mainly a psychological effect, in absolute numbers it's nothing...

maybe bring back civ2's "poison water supply"?

btw: guerilla are called terrorists since 2001... they're in the game

Panag · June 13, 2003, 23:42

hi ,

it would be great but somehow there is the feeling that this is either for another XP or civ4 , ....

maybe a mod or scenario , but not in Conquests , .....

have a nice day

cookieman · June 14, 2003, 09:45

thank you sabrewolf, you must be the only person on this forum who realizes terrorism is worthless and already in the game

Rhothaerill · June 14, 2003, 11:30

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Originally posted by cookieman
thank you sabrewolf, you must be the only person on this forum who realizes terrorism is worthless and already in the game

Yeah it's already there. Several of the options you get when you build an Intelligence Agency could be considered terrorism. It's just very cost ineffective and more often than not fails. So very few people I know of actually use it.

mrmitchell · June 14, 2003, 11:59

We've already got some terrorism, like cookiedude said. That plus "Poison Water Supply" and maybe a planted Terrorist like you would plant a Spy or Embassy would work for me.

However, it's very unlikely that we'll be getting it. The market is still sensitive. [c3c ad]"Engage in your own international terrorism! Bomb the United Nations! Bring Civilization to a screeching halt!"

Rhothaerill · June 14, 2003, 12:22

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Originally posted by mrmitchell

[c3c ad]"Engage in your own international terrorism! Bomb the United Nations! Bring Civilization to a screeching halt!"

I'm sure THAT would go over well. Pretty soon we have the FBI knocking on the doors of Civ players wondering what it is we're actually doing. Remember the movie Wargames?

Kuciwalker · June 14, 2003, 13:52

that was a great movie!

Rhothaerill · June 14, 2003, 14:28

Would...you...like...to...play...a...game?

Computers and computer games have definitely made significant strides since that movie.

Jon Shafer · June 14, 2003, 14:32

Skywalker is right...

"NEW IN CIVILIZATION 3: CONQUESTS! USE TERRORISM TO DESTROY YOUR ENEMIES FROM WITHIN!"

Panag · June 14, 2003, 14:49

hi ,

poison the food or water from city X , depending on the size of the city it could kill 5-25% , cost should be related to the city size and wheter or not there is a police station there , .......

the sabotage of units would be great , .....

have a nice day

Kuciwalker · June 14, 2003, 14:50

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Originally posted by Rhothaerill
Would...you...like...to...play...a...game

...of...chess?

Don't forget the last part

CrONoS · June 14, 2003, 14:51

yep specially sabotage of ICBM!!

see ya