Turn Chat Transcripts

[Snowflake]

Kody, have you renamed landmark as GooglieGod suggested? This was the only thing that I was gonna remind you to do if I were in the turn chat.

[Kody]

No I was in a hurry to get the turn out.

I read the Googlie landmark thread after I had posted the turn.

Kody

[Snowflake]

See that's the benefit of having two people? But I commend your effort to send the turn out as soon as possible. This is good for the Hive's reputation.

[Kody]

Comrade Tassadar says:
Greetings, Comrades!
John says:
hello
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
Glourious Comrade Tassadar!
Vev says:
Da
Comrade Tassadar says:
Everyone is here This is to talk about relations, et al with the Drones.
John says:
yeah go ahead Tassadar
Vev says:
Yeah, I finally been on a turnturn after about 2 weeks
Vev says:
arrgh wrong word
John says:
Hey Jacob, I don't think you've voiced your opinion yet on the subject.
John says:
I think I've listened to everyone else's so far.
Comrade Tassadar says:
I well let Comrade Octavian X to voice his opinions first
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
I assume this is one the agreement proposed in the drone negotionation thread...
John says:
not really
John says:
just about things that concern you in general
Comrade Tassadar says:
Any subject concerning relations with the Drones is on-topic
Vev says:
We need a devil's advocate to see things from the Drone's point of view
John says:
Googlie's playing that atm.
Vev says:
for this discussion, it won't hurt for someone to be one
Comrade Tassadar says:
Well....I can try
John says:
umm maybe vev since you suggested it
Comrade Tassadar says:
LOL
John says:
Although at the moment there's nothing really to decide until the drones reply back.
Vev says:
we can try to preempt some of their questions and concern
John says:
I want to establish hive loyalty towards pactmates
John says:
but we need a poll
John says:
It's a pretty simple issue. Will we or will we not be honourable, and then stick with the decision if we decide to be honourable.
Comrade Tassadar says:
And I believe that we should definately not be honourable
Jacob (aka Octavian X) says:
My own personal instincts and beliefs tell me should be honorable in ALL our affairs.
Comrade Tassadar says:
However, the Drones have some very good people amongst their ranks, and I do not think they would not hesitate to break pact if it suited them
John says:
At the moment I think we're going to have an honourable stance towards other factions after that poll.
John says:
We'll be able to figure that out in the poll.
Comrade Tassadar says:
Preferably, I wish the "Free-Tech" clause to be taken out
Comrade Tassadar says:
The Drones are not known for their research abilities, and they may attempt to milk us
John says:
I think you need to study my notes in the drone negotiations a little more
Comrade Tassadar says:
Thats too much to read
John says:
then just trust me that they might be able to outtech us
Comrade Tassadar says:
How is this?
John says:
vev you explain it.
Vev says:
Drones, are going for Merchant Exchange, they can use Free Market effectively and have lots of fun with crawlers
John says:
that's +2 energy each square they crawler
John says:
then they can use solar panels, rivers
John says:
for tidal harness
John says:
with a tidal harness they will be able to get 6 energy per crawler.
John says:
*yawns*
Comrade Tassadar says:
All this would take a large amount of time
John says:
they're already researching faster than us.
Comrade Tassadar says:
How do you know this?
John says:
they said in their last email that their rate is 6 per turn
John says:
actually it's 7
Comrade Tassadar says:
Could they not be bluffing?
John says:
we're running at 9
John says:
nope it was derived knowledge
John says:
they said they have their next breakthrough in 2126
John says:
working backwards we know they had their last breakthrough in 2119
John says:
because that's when they changed to freemarket
Comrade Tassadar says:
Yet could they not have contacted another faction?
John says:
Possibly, but I don't think so.
John says:
their transport was positioned such that it's near our base
John says:
unless they have a 2nd transport
John says:
or unless another faction met them I guess.
John says:
but still only the university has freemarket
John says:
aside from drones
Comrade Tassadar says:
However
Comrade Tassadar says:
Can one not still trade tech in hotseat without contact?
Comrade Tassadar says:
I recall doing it before...
Comrade Tassadar says:
AND
Comrade Tassadar says:
Both the Drones and the Looniversity have proven they have issues with the Hive
Comrade Tassadar says:
The Looniversity has stooped to low levels before....I doubt not that they would do it again
John says:
we're not allying with the university
Comrade Tassadar says:
we arent
Comrade Tassadar says:
but they might
John says:
it was the drones having issues with you
Comrade Tassadar says:
GooglieGod said:
Comrade Tassadar says:
The Two factions that said they would not recognize me even if googliegod mandated it were: Looniversity and Drones
Comrade Tassadar says:
And while the Looniversity may hate the Hive because of me solely...I do not believe that is the case with the Drones
John says:
what's your reasoning behind this...
Comrade Tassadar says:
Because I haven't offended anybody in the Drones to the point where they would take against our faction simply because of me. Unless I'm underestimating their maturity...
John says:
well the two drones that were talking against you didn't seem that mature
John says:
however they weren't very high in the ranks
Comrade Tassadar says:
Exactly. I believe they are simply echoing their leader
John says:
well I guess you should post your opinions on the boards.
John says:
The others in the hive will decide on this when we do the final polls.
John says:
also you have your vote too
Vev says:
Just to have a change: Why should not the drones trust us?
Comrade Tassadar says:
??? Please rephrase
Vev says:
What reasons are there that the Drones would not trust us
Comrade Tassadar says:
Were the Hive
John says:
*cough* you're the one that wants us to ignore honour in our relations.
Comrade Tassadar says:
Because they may have already ignored honor
John says:
how...
Comrade Tassadar says:
Tech trading before ingame contact
John says:
can I have one of those peanuts?
John says:
thanks vev
Comrade Tassadar says:
LOL
Vev says:
that will be very hard to cover up when there is a third party watching
Comrade Tassadar says:
brb
Comrade Tassadar says:
no
Comrade Tassadar says:
If its all done privately
Comrade Tassadar says:
BRB
John says:
how can you tech trade privately
John says:
googlie watches the techs
John says:
in the game
Comrade Tassadar says:
You do have a point...However, I just find it difficult to believe that the DRONEShave 6 techs per turn
Vev says:
I think john miss phrased it
John says:
Tassadar, you know I'm a fairly decent judge of character.
Vev says:
6 turns per tech
John says:
and you said so yourself that I'm good at predicting things last night.
John says:
Can you please give me some merit.
Vev says:
Can couch commander join too?
John says:
I believe the drones are acting honourable
John says:
yeah
John says:
at least so far

Jacob (aka Octavian X) has left the conversation.

Couch Commander has been added to the conversation.

John says:
they may turn on us at a later date if they decide we're untrustworthy I think.
John says:
They didn't say they have 6 turns per tech.
John says:
That's what I've been able to figure out from my analysis
John says:
finally I don't think MT166 and the main_brain guy are trustworthy
John says:
if you look carefully at main_brain's other posts
John says:
you find that he insults people left and right
Vev says:
MRT144
John says:
MT144 is just a kid
Vev says:
19 years onld
John says:
18 years old
Vev says:
old
John says:
okay 18 years old
John says:
and if you look at his own description he has
Comrade Tassadar says:
He does not act as such
John says:
"sexy beast"
John says:
it sorts of says he might decide to verbally abuse someone if he gets a bit annoyed
Comrade Tassadar says:
Yes, I do suppose so
John says:
Also if you read what I've been saying to googlie
Vev says:
plus MRT144 did annoy Drogue with one of his comments
John says:
Googlie thinks that the main leaders of the drones are trustworthy
John says:
Also I'm inclined to agree that one or two definitely after trawling their posts.
John says:
the other senior members seem recluse, but don't seem like bad people.
John says:
If we treat them well I think they well treat us the same.
John says:
Now I'm not saying there aren't problems
John says:
They may decide to turn on us, because they want to win alone. Or they don't trust us.
John says:
That's is why there's so much dicussion.
Vev says:
Or they wish other allies
John says:
Or they wish other allies, but I'm not too sure about that.
John says:
From their talking in the civ.gaming network
John says:
they half expected that they won't have any allies.
Couch Commander says:
lol, I've gtg to be d00ds
Couch Commander says:
i will ttyl
John says:
cya couch

Couch Commander has left the conversation.

John says:
Anyway tass now not the time to be bringing this up.
John says:
There's nothing that can be decided right now
John says:
We've exhausted all the discussion at least a day ago
John says:
When the drones reply, then we will figure out what to do.
Comrade Tassadar says:
brb

Comrade Tassadar has left the conversation.
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John says:
Voltiare, any changes in opinions on what we should do?
John says:
Or are we still testing the waters?
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
We cannot do anything until the Drones decide.
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
we will go along with what they decide
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
if they want a permipact
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
we will take it
John says:
What if they don't mention a permipact.
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
Then we're back to square one.
John says:
Well they can offer us a pact
John says:
but we haven't offered them a permipact
John says:
so they might not bring it up.
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
Offer it...
Vev says:
Looks like we have to make our intentions clear
John says:
now or later
Vev says:
And reasons to trust us
John says:
I planning later.
John says:
but we can offer it now
Vev says:
Plus its their turn next
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
Offer it now, I don't see it comming into effect anytime soon
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
it might take a few more turns before they decide
John says:
okay then
John says:
have you read the terms of the pact I posted?
John says:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...12#post2177712
John says:
I can summarise if you wish
John says:
and it is hardly finished yet and they will want to adjust things I assume. So we can work over details later.
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
Propose it now, and see their response, we can work on the details with the Drones latter
The Clinton Admin redefined sexual relations while the Bush Admin is redefining the word lie. says:
I must be going now
John says:
okay then
Vev says:
see ya

[Googlie]

There has been no illegal tech trading activity by the Drones (or indeed by any other faction) - their techs have been obtained legitimately within the game parameters:

by independently researching
by trading (or coercing)
by stealing
by conquering a base (applies to the CyCon only)

G.

[Kody]

Some offtopic stuff about sacrificing Tassadar to the Aliens, and a fire alarm in the building.

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Vev says:
St Voltairoburg should be renamed to avoid confusion
Comrade Tassadar says:
Hi
Vev says:
Hi Tass
John says:
hello tassadar
John says:
we're putting you up for sacrifice
Comrade Tassadar says:

Vev says:
Would you like to be an ambassodor for the Proggies
John says:
they need a test subject
Vev says:
All travel expenses included
Comrade Tassadar says:
Proggies? CyCon?!
Comrade Tassadar says:
Or is it some sorta sexual innuendo......
John says:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...11#post2181011
Vev says:
Maybe ...
Vev says:
Oh a new Elvin Router
John says:
where?
Vev says:
email
Vev says:
actually not really
John says:
I didn't get it
Vev says:
but adds to the previous theme
Comrade Tassadar says:

Comrade Tassadar says:

Comrade Tassadar says:
THE CHAIRMAN HAS NOT BEEN INVITED?
John says:
sure
Vev says:
Hey, we can have a pre-turn chat
John says:
but I assumed he didn't want the chat

The stars, like dust, encircle me in living mists of light; and all of space I seem to see in one vast burst of sight. has been added to the conversation.

John says:
yeah actually that's a idea
Comrade Tassadar says:
Comrade Chairman
John says:
I think he's afk
John says:
but anyway
John says:
preturn chat!!!!!!!!!
Comrade Tassadar says:
Preturn chat!!!!!
Couch Commander says:
josh is going now, sleepy
Couch Commander says:
tty;

Couch Commander has left the conversation.

John says:
okay cya then
Vev says:
Nooo!
Comrade Tassadar says:

John says:
okay lets look at the map
Vev says:
Are there any cities that will finish anything?
John says:
first thing we're going to do is cancel the remove fungus action on the former near voltigrad
Comrade Tassadar says:
Why?
John says:
because it's going off to build a sensor array
Comrade Tassadar says:
Ah. I assume near Drone territory
John says:
so we cancel it and move it down the river to the googlie suggest base site
John says:
at 18,16
John says:
well near yes
John says:
nearer
John says:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...47#post2169347
John says:
actually that gives the complete list of things we're going to do
John says:
I'm just running through that list atm
Vev says:
and rush buy former for ... some money!
John says:
that's later down in the list
Comrade Tassadar says:
what?!
Comrade Tassadar says:
RUSH A FORMER?!
Comrade Tassadar says:
Never!
John says:
we fix the dodgy former production stuff first
Vev says:
And deploy PB on University Base
John says:
I mean former allocation first rather
John says:
yeah lets randomly change bits in the sav file until we get a pb
Vev says:
YEAH!!!!
John says:
*bangs head against the wall*
Comrade Tassadar says:
Headbang!
Comrade Tassadar says:
Comrade!
Comrade Tassadar says:

Comrade Tassadar says:
I have got a GLORIOUS ROCK version of the Internationale in CHINESE
John says:
googlie replied to you vev
Vev says:
Can you send the Rock Version of Chinese Anthem?
Comrade Tassadar says:
nonono...
Comrade Tassadar says:
The Rock Version of the Internationale
Comrade Tassadar says:
sung in Chinese
John says:
okay well I'm assume that my other preplanned moves are accepted
Comrade Tassadar says:
The Internationale unites the human race!
Vev says:
ooh, multi-umm-cultural!
Comrade Tassadar says:
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race!!!!!!!
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It sort of degrades from there.

Kody

[Vev]

I can vouch for that

[Snowflake]

If nothing important as well as game-related is included, may be we don't need to post it here? Of couse I'm not saying that deploying PB on University Base is not important and/or sacrifice to the Proggies is not game-related.

[Kody]

I'm just letting other people understand why there hasn't been any turn chats recently.

People can't seem to stay focused.

Kody

[Kody]

Volatire says he's going to be on holidays for a bit.
HongHu has the chairman's authorisation for the ratifying pacts and handling issues that may come up.

HongHu, check your private messages. I was instructed to give you the password for the negotiation forum.

Kody

[Kody]

Couch Commander says:
hey
Couch Commander says:
news
Couch Commander says:
news news news
John says:
yeah I know
Couch Commander says:
they accepted the pact
Couch Commander says:
shall I accept?
John says:
not the pernament pact
Couch Commander says:
just a temporary pact?
John says:
not yet I need to do alot of reading
Couch Commander says:
they sent an e-mail?
John says:
yeah
Couch Commander says:
can you forward it? (*@*)
John says:
can I do the former moves
John says:
I'm going to put it on the boards
John says:
for the turn
John says:
and you can do the military moves
Couch Commander says:
alright, sounds good
John says:
cool
John says:
and the city name is already set
Couch Commander says:
all your formers are currently moving....
John says:
yeah but I wanna change them to sensors
John says:
when they finish moving
John says:
and prepare for the next move
Couch Commander says:
they won't be done this turn
John says:
one former only has 1/3 of a move
Couch Commander says:
ah
Couch Commander says:
well, why don't you get a map and you can tell me what you want done?
John says:
and needs the other 2/3 of a move put in
John says:
Let me put the email up
John says:
and formulate a response
Couch Commander says:
ok
Couch Commander says:
I can wait
John says:
cool
John says:
have you already accepted the pact?
John says:
brb need to check the stuff in game
Couch Commander says:
no I haven't
John says:
how do you know they accepted the pact then?
John says:
darn it they didn't put in industrial economics
Couch Commander says:
cause in the negotiations screen they have "accept"
Couch Commander says:
all we need to do is also click accept and we've got it
Couch Commander says:
where they supposed to give us IE?
John says:
I was told by HongHu to stop sending emails until they replied
John says:
looks like that was a bad idea
John says:
I was going to bring it up later
Couch Commander says:
?
John says:
IE gives us +2 extra trade with the pact
Couch Commander says:
we should ask for it then
John says:
so that's +1 lab and +1 ec
John says:
too late
Couch Commander says:
?
John says:
unless we get them to add it in their turn
Couch Commander says:
that would be the wise idea
John says:
we'll have to get it next turn
Couch Commander says:
do we want to accept the pact this turn and ask for them to send us IE?
John says:
hrmm I really need to finish reading the stuff
John says:
can you move the military and send the save game file to *@*.
Couch Commander says:
k, well can we do it the other way around, cause when you build that base and move the formers things may be discovered
Couch Commander says:
so
Couch Commander says:
move the formers
Couch Commander says:
build the base
Couch Commander says:
then save and send to *@*
Couch Commander says:
and then I will post it and do the screens
Couch Commander says:
(ie if a former spots a mindworm or something)
Couch Commander says:
and I just read the entire e-mail
Couch Commander says:
sounds good
John says:
okay then
John says:
I'll save and send to *@*
Couch Commander says:
yup, sounds good
John says:
I would have thought it would be strange that as soon as they accepted pact the turn player suddenly changes again
Couch Commander says:
lol
Couch Commander says:
dunno
John says:
ack
John says:
actually I need to post
Couch Commander says:
?
John says:
because of Archaic's request
Couch Commander says:
I have that too
Couch Commander says:
and I know
Couch Commander says:
send him a pm when it's posted
John says:
and GT too
Couch Commander says:
lol, I used to post before you came and I got busy
Couch Commander says:
yea
John says:
actually they wanted an email right
Couch Commander says:
no, just a pm
John says:
oh okay
Couch Commander says:
lol, I can do it
Couch Commander says:
no worries man
John says:
okay then brb
John says:
send by the way
Couch Commander says:
that is my domain
John says:
I think vev is looking for more responability
Couch Commander says:
alrighty
John says:
and he's more military than me too
Couch Commander says:
ok
Couch Commander says:
will do
John says:
make sure it's the correct file
John says:
like everything is in correctly
John says:
umm
Couch Commander says:
lol, i never fail to be amazed by the interenet
Couch Commander says:
you are tens of thousands of km away and BAM
John says:
applied is in the drone's
Couch Commander says:
and e-mail is sent
John says:
we're sending applied to the drones in the diplomatic window right?
Couch Commander says:
don't send applied till we get IE
John says:
it's not accepted
John says:
also don't write any replies in the diplomatic box
John says:
hrmm
John says:
so check that all the formers have used up their move
John says:
check that cities have stockpile
John says:
check that we've got applied in diplomatic window
Couch Commander says:
why are we sending them applied right away?
John says:
oh and check the SE settings
Couch Commander says:
we shouldn't do that until we get IE
John says:
nope
John says:
we're got it on the tables
John says:
so they add IE and we accept at the start of next turn
John says:
so can you check all of the above
John says:
and when you send the file can you send it back to me too
John says:
I need to do preplanning
John says:
this should go in turn chat
John says:
*is pretty paranoid about sending the wrong turn*
Couch Commander says:
k, I'll save it just before I hit turn, then send it to you, then hit turn and save and exit and post
Couch Commander says:
lol
Couch Commander says:
I'll take care of that
Couch Commander says:
we are offering applied
John says:
yeah they need it
Couch Commander says:
yes
Couch Commander says:
everycity has stockpile
John says:
all formers have used up their move?
John says:
shouldn't we run a quick vote
John says:
they've added heaps of stuff into the document
Couch Commander says:
you've already accepted
Couch Commander says:
it looks fine to me
John says:
yeah but we can ask them to change a few things
John says:
before we post
John says:
yeah looks fine to me too
Couch Commander says:
honghu agrees
John says:
but someone else may see something we don't
Couch Commander says:
and the chairman is in mexico
Couch Commander says:
so
John says:
okay 3 people think it's okay
Couch Commander says:
oh, has HongHu read it yet
Couch Commander says:
I dunno
Couch Commander says:
she wanted to accept pact
John says:
stop
Couch Commander says:
why don't you send an e-mail saying we will accept the pact conditionally, whereas it has yet to be ratified by the governing bodies but we will sign it
John says:
reading the thing
John says:
If we are in agreement, accept
the Pact, then send Physics accepted or put Physics in and accept.
Couch Commander says:
..?
John says:
they want us to preaccept physics
Couch Commander says:
that would save a turn... do we trust them enough to do that?
John says:
we need to develop trust
Couch Commander says:
yea
John says:
that's why I would do that
John says:
so change applied to accept
Couch Commander says:
....they did say they will send IE along?
John says:
let me check if they've changed the pact agreement
John says:
they've changed that part of the pact agreement
Couch Commander says:
I, personally, suggest not hitting accept until they send IE to us
Couch Commander says:
cause we've send IN to them
Couch Commander says:
they need to show some goodwill towards us
Couch Commander says:
they can wait a turn for applied
John says:
hrmm
John says:
they appear to have removed the tech sharing and the comm link sharing
Couch Commander says:
yea they did, they said if they want to
John says:
so they can refuse to do those
Couch Commander says:
yea, they could
Couch Commander says:
which is why we need to waiting till everything is on the table till we hit accept
John says:
hrmm
Couch Commander says:
*to be
Couch Commander says:
I would put applied on the table, but wait till they've fulfilled their end
John says:
hrmm
John says:
they don't trust us enough to do full tech sharing
Couch Commander says:
no it doesn't appear so, and the perma pact... I am not sure about. I am very uncomfortable giving them applied i must say
John says:
we can give them loyalty instead
Couch Commander says:
that would be better
John says:
but they may build the SP project
John says:
you will need to click accept beforehand
Couch Commander says:
why?
John says:
because otherwise they lose half their tech switching
Couch Commander says:
ah
Couch Commander says:
that is the command nexus for docturn loyalty right?
John says:
yeah
John says:
which is something we should aim for
Couch Commander says:
indeed
John says:
also it's the backup SP
John says:
incase we're outbuilt by the others
Couch Commander says:
what techs do they have?
John says:
only IB IE and CE
John says:
hrmm
Couch Commander says:
if give them loyalty we should ask for IE and IB
Couch Commander says:
cause we have IN
Couch Commander says:
and now loyalty
John says:
hrmm
John says:
you should hold the turn
Couch Commander says:
*cause we have given
John says:
I'll ask them a few questions
Couch Commander says:
sounds good
John says:
and get them to realise what they're asking of us
John says:
or point out we've noticed what they're asking of us
Couch Commander says:
I will move my units and then save
Couch Commander says:
then you can get back to me
John says:
okay
Couch Commander says:
I will be around all day
John says:
okay sent
John says:
how long is all day?
John says:
It might be a while
Couch Commander says:
for another... 7-8 hours
John says:
knowing the drones
John says:
grr
John says:
you do realise that pact document is just a peace treaty
Couch Commander says:
they killed the permament state
Couch Commander says:
the tech sharing
Couch Commander says:
the foriegn relations
John says:
yeah but that pact document gives more to the drones than it gives to us.
John says:
it's subtle
Couch Commander says:
tough they did keep in that techs and such to enemy factions should be kept in
Couch Commander says:
how so?
John says:
because they've basically made most of the document a whole bunch of if we agree
Couch Commander says:
yea, but it's mutual
John says:
and you cannot attack us
Couch Commander says:
pretty much
John says:
but the hive is in the better position in a war state
Couch Commander says:
not if we are on equal tech footing
John says:
which we won't be
Couch Commander says:
they'd kick our ass... (if I wasn't there to make a glorious stand)
John says:
at the moment we're leading
John says:
but the drones are going to quickly pull ahead
Couch Commander says:
the only reason they are researching quicker right now is becaue they have higher pop
John says:
by the end of the 50 years peace pact....
John says:
nope because they have freemarket
Couch Commander says:
they'd be able to crush us
Couch Commander says:
oh I didn;t know that
John says:
and they're building the merchant exchange
Couch Commander says:
oh I know in future they will be able to take us out
Couch Commander says:
right now... no
Couch Commander says:
it is hard though
John says:
yeah which is why they just want a peace pact
Couch Commander says:
yea
Couch Commander says:
lol
Couch Commander says:
didn't I warn you of this? They will pact now, and then take us over later
John says:
looks like it
Couch Commander says:
I believe i said something exactly along those lines
Couch Commander says:
which is WHY.... we should go 40 turns until we have our flexibility and transports and then declare war early and take them by surprise
John says:
I don't want to break the pact
Couch Commander says:
miffin
John says:
The drones have influence
John says:
they will tell other people
Couch Commander says:
...... and your point would be?
John says:
lets cut down the pact further
John says:
and make it bare minimals
Couch Commander says:
we ARE NOT trading applied then
John says:
I don't know
John says:
I want to see their response
John says:
the two main reasons were.
1. full tech trading
2. an hive-drone forum
Couch Commander says:
yea
John says:
the whole peace thing that we needed went out the window the second they moved that scout back
John says:
actually it went out the window when we held the colony pod back
John says:
they couldn't really touch us after that
Couch Commander says:
hmm, I am going to move that rover into a position where it is a big threat to their scout, see how they react to that
John says:
bah
John says:
the scout isn't a big issue
Couch Commander says:
no no
Couch Commander says:
but as I said, it's intimidation
Couch Commander says:
playing with their minds
John says:
but they don't see the turn for ages
Couch Commander says:
given it took them 3 weeks to get this far it will be short enough to open the turn and realise they piss uf off we are in a position to start taking units
John says:
the thing is their scout might be able to take out the rover
Couch Commander says:
it's a rover, I keep it square away... I get to decide when I move
John says:
okay
John says:
basically it's a peace treaty with a bunch of incomittal trading comments
Couch Commander says:
yea

[Kody]

There has been complaints that turn-chats aren't always being held for every turn.

For the next 3 turns, 12 hours will be given after the each turn for a turn chat to occur. So during that time try and get on MSN. The turn chat will proceed when another senior member is on.

After those 3 turns whether regular turnchats are useful will be evaulated. The chairman has suggested 4 hours being a more suitable time to wait.

My current opinion is turnchats should only delay the turn when something unexpected and important happens. If someone else is on MSN the turnchat will always occur.

The main problem, from my point of view, is the waiting for someone to appear when everything that needs to be decided has already been written up for a few days on the preturn posts. If something happens that wasn't planned then the person simply saves the half completed turn and then seeks advice.

Kody

[Snowflake]

I feel much more comfortable at our turn after reading this turn chat. I would have to say this turn chat was not a waste of time at all. I hope this will be the norm rather than exception for all the future turns.

[Kody]

Regular turn chats usually are. I don't post the ones that are complete waste of time. Note that the unit move section of this turn chat was completely left out.

This time some discussion was needed. I would have waited even if nobody else was around.


Kody

[Jamski]

Jamski
who's playing it?
Kody
in case someone else decided to say soemthing
Kody
I'll play it
Jamski
I have the turn update thread
Kody
anything happen in there?
Jamski
nope
Kody
From the looks of it we'll be getting a new base this turn.
Kody
yep
Jamski
YAY! This gets better and better
Kody
but we need to be careful we get the sensor finished first
Voltaire
true
Kody
it finishes
Voltaire
oh good
Kody
but the colony pod is selected first
Jamski
then press "w"
Kody
lots of extra diplo messages
Kody
I suggest you guys read
Jamski
*groan*
Voltaire
alright
Jamski
can we have a full transcript please in this chat for the files
Kody
yep
Jamski
get typing bro
Voltaire
Don't have persmission to access
Kody
hrmm wierd
Kody
have you done the confirmation email yet?
Jamski
BTW, HongHu wanted HongHu-KongHu for the coastal base
Voltaire
yes indeed i have
Voltaire
that
Jamski
odd
Voltaire
that's what i was considering
Kody
I will ask that immediately after the turn
Kody
buster posted
Kody
Applied physics and information networks obtained from Hive.
Pact enabled.

Drones are currently researching Planetary Networks - completion in two turns 2125.

I assume Hive will want it as soon as available so that they can hopefully complete Industrial Automation as next tech (currently set for 2126 per info screens).


Kody
buster also posted
John says:
Sorry thought I wrote it above - yes I did send Industrial Economics to Hive this turn with accept pressed
Jamski
Kewl
Kody
adjustment to pact document accepted by buster.
Jamski
Also cool
Kody
"1.j - Each faction has a right to the land on their on continent. Sea squares that can be accessed by bases of both factions will be given to the first base that has the square inside city limits."
Kody
okay starting game up
Voltaire
So we're getting IE this turn?
Kody
yeah
Jamski
then we HAVE to swop maps
Voltaire
offer then a trade of maps
Jamski
comes with a full pact
Voltaire
with our land secure it won't kill us
Jamski
and the Drones get infilteration
Kody
first thing I'm doing
Jamski
is...
Kody
is letting is doing the former with the sensor
Jamski
exactly so
Jamski
what's happening`?
Kody
now we're moving the former south
Jamski
south is "2" on the keypad?
Kody
yep
Jamski
thank god
Kody
so it's going to assist with the mines
Jamski
slaves at work again
Voltaire
good think we don't have any more confusion about that
Kody
that are near frickin' cheeky tower
Kody
so two formers building mines near frickin
Jamski
who called it that?
Kody
we need to prep them for the special project
Voltaire
that's what i
Voltaire
i'd like to know
Jamski
KODY?!?!?
Kody
ali
Jamski
oh
Kody
alivia covena
Jamski
to be expected, really
Kody
can you fix that spelling mistake
Kody
I wanted let let her name it so she would feel like part of the hive
Jamski
no, I shall leave your embarrasment for her to read
Kody:
darn it
Jamski
Everyone spells Rockkossvsvy wrong anyway
Kody
okay former moving to assist with mines
Voltaire
lol. true
Kody
rokossovky
Kody
it's from msning alot with him
Jamski
lol
Jamski
but hes Couch Commander on MSN
Kody
should the former build a road from HongHu-KongHu
Jamski
isn't there a perfectly good river?
Kody
yeah but I got embrassed of spelling it wrong
Kody
road from Hong -> Frickin
Kody
part of the road will be required for mines
Jamski
farm or forest first
Jamski
then road
Voltaire
Don't we want to develope HongHu KongHu first?
Kody
I'm getting the new former from HongHu to do it
Voltaire
I agree with Jamski on this one...
Kody
we're rushing a new former from HongHu that will be ready next turn
Kody
and it will forest the nut
Voltaire
I'd rather that we build a colony pod in HK if it has the growth to support it.
Jamski
good plan
Voltaire
Ok never mind
Voltaire
go with that
Jamski
(b)
Kody
hrmm
Voltaire
what are our energy reserves btw?
Kody
or should we get the new former to do roads
Jamski
we're saving up 80 for a change of SE
Kody
are energy reserves are just enough
Kody
I've done the calculations
Jamski
two beers for you then
Kody
we need to place the worker on the minerals though
Kody
for 1 turn
Kody
then switch it back
Jamski

Kody
actually I'm moving the former to the nut
Jamski
k
Kody
the new former moves to the mineral to assist
Voltaire
I will be momentarely absent from the turnchat, got to go get breakfast
Kody
okay
Kody
now new city built
Kody
worker switched to mineral
Kody
called honghu konghu
Jamski
HongHu-KongHu
Jamski
with a dash, I think
Kody
rushed it for 10 ec
Jamski
(could be mistaken)
Jamski
bargain price
Kody
going to frickin
Kody
former completed there
Jamski
nice
Kody
switching to colony pod
Jamski
get mining?
Jamski
Fricking isn't going to get building an SP?
Kody
now there's a former near Jamski
Kody
it's voltairograd
Kody
using crawlers
Jamski
oh, sure
Kody
because frickin is too important for our colony pod production
Kody
frickin has great growth
Jamski
some FOOD is available
Jamski
that's not recycled people
Kody
moving former near jamski north
Jamski
k
Kody
this will be to build a road
Kody
and then forest
Jamski
roads
Kody
roads take 1 less turn to build without forests
Jamski
true
Kody
okay moving former north now
Jamski
but we get the forest advantage two turns before
Kody
let me check something
Kody
true
Jamski
heh- its always either 6 or half-a-dozen in this game
Kody
but formers are scarce
Kody
that former may be needed
Jamski
and the road will speed expansion
Jamski
road then
Kody
I want to try and build a sensor array at the next base site with that former
Jamski
a BIT paranoid, but good practice in a PBEM
Kody
moving the south-east rover two south
Jamski
find anything?
Kody
more land
Jamski
could be useful
Kody
I mean two south-east
Jamski
oh
Jamski
along the coast
Kody
next turn we should move it two north-east
Jamski
no pods down there?
Kody
actually I moved it two south
Kody
you're right sorry confused
Kody
ack I'm going to be late today
Jamski
oh well
Kody
hrmm hurrying along
Kody
scout in fricken holds
Jamski
*check all the bases are using the best worker placement*
Kody
former in fricken goes south-west
Jamski
"1" on the keypad
Kody
I don't need to
Kody:
I already know all the best placements off by heart
Jamski
lol
Kody
checked all bases
Kody
they're on their best placements
Jamski
they change if a projects coming up to completion sometimes
Kody
former on frickin moves south-west 1
Jamski
did you put stockpile in all the queues?
Kody
you mean minerals
Kody:
yep
Jamski
nice
Kody:
stockpiled all qeues
Kody
we've only got 1 worker each base
Kody
its not hard
Jamski
not a problem right now then
Kody
former moved building a road near frickin
Kody
the former after finishing the road will head out and build a sensor array at the new base site b6
Kody
which was labeled in the turn update 2120
Jamski
OK
Kody
the colony pod from voltairograd will just manage to make the new base site
Kody
when the sensor array finishes
Jamski
building a road on the way, so the pod gets there faster?
Kody
colony pod in voltairograd will finish when we get industrial automation
Kody
yes
Jamski
and then we switch to... crawlers?
Kody
nope
Jamski
SP?
Kody
yeah
Kody
hrmm
Kody
yeah straight to SP
Jamski
best plan
Kody
faster getting other bases building the crawlers
Jamski
and moving them to Volt. for re-homing
Kody
scout in north-west moves towards honghu-konghu
Kody
pretty much
Kody
yes no
Kody
another opinion
Jamski
yes
Kody
I'm going to miss my lift
Jamski
explore around a bit
Jamski
get a taxi
Jamski

Kody
I'm a poor uni student
Jamski
ahh
Kody
rover moves south-west to check on the transport
Jamski
KEEP IT IN SIGHT!
Kody:
transport not found
Kody
hrmmm
Jamski
I 'm not sure that we can't trust them not to use this pact to see what we have in our bases and attack
Kody:
suggest that rover keeps eye on the scout instead
Jamski
k
Kody
all units moved
Kody
procceeding to double check everything
Jamski
bases covered and turn done?
Kody
yeah
Jamski
so I can post this turn chat and you can post the save?
Kody
sorry my mistake I didn't mean to quit
Jamski
np
Kody
umm as far as I know everything is completed
Kody
I will save and post
Jamski
ok, I trust you.
Voltaire
alright
Jamski
beer for you coming up
Kody
but
Jamski
but?
Kody
here's the notes that are important
Jamski
*drumroll*
Kody
* next turn change honghu konghu back to nutrients
Kody:
* map screenshot exchange with the drones? accept or not?
Kody
* must email university that turn is posted when I get to work
Jamski
they get a ful map if we pact
Kody
they've already pacted
Jamski
hmm, we should get map too?
Kody
yeah I'll arrange that
Jamski
ok
Kody
can you bring up the last preturn moves section
Kody
see if you notice anything that seems wrong
Kody
I need to brush my teeth now
Jamski
I want to see thier map more than I worry about giving ours away
Kody
have to skip my morning shower
Jamski
ok
Jamski
good
Kody
check turn update and see if I missed anything
Jamski
you can smell like cabbage
Kody
then reply then I'll post
Voltaire
One note about the turnchat transcripts...
Jamski
which is?
Kody
turnupdate
Kody
with the map
Voltaire
From now on we're changing all the MSN nicknames in the trancripts to the names on Poly
Kody
instead of posting previous turn stuff
Jamski
We haven't forgotten anything
Voltaire
less confusing
Kody
I pust then next turn's moves
Jamski
ok
Kody
post
Jamski
posting.
Jamski
Nice turn boys - new base and all
Voltaire
And we'll have more soon
Voltaire:
all our bases are producing colony pods
Voltaire
as soon as we get transport foils we need to go to the east to find some landmasses to claim

And that was it folks

-Jam

[Kody]

Turn chat in 1 hour if anyone else around. Please log on. HongHu, maybe the reason why you miss turn chats is because you're not logging onto MSN.

Kody

[Jamski]

I'm logged on and waiting.......

-Jam

[Jamski]

John says:
okay moving R2 two east
John says:
a pod
John says:
should we pop it
Jamski says:
hell yes
John says:
nutrient and earthquake
Jamski says:
good good good
Jamski says:
vey good
John says:
more land for us
Jamski says:
wherry good
John says:
okay
John says:
we've got a lake now
Vev says:
Ja sehr gut
John says:
maybe we'll raise land later
Jamski says:
this screenshot will look like a different game now
John says:
canceling the former near HongHu KongHU
Jamski says:
and...
John says:
I realised we can get a road for free
John says:
if we road
Jamski says:
why not
John says:
because it saves a turn for the new former
Jamski says:
go for it
John says:
switching HongHu KongHu worker back to minerals
John says:
both formers are now building forests
Jamski says:
as planned
John says:
oh yeah a forest grew near Jamski Clove
John says:

John says:
changing HongHu to colony pod
Jamski says:
that's because of me planting the seeds personally
John says:

Jamski says:

Vev says:
Wild oats
John says:
as arranged by Couch, we're moving the scout S1 to HongHu
Jamski says:
as police?
John says:
yeah
John says:
so we can save the time it takes to build a scout
Jamski says:
cool
Couch Commander says:

John says:
scout finished in Jamski
Jamski says:
is it an independant scout?
Jamski says:
the one going to HongHu
John says:
yeah
Couch Commander says:
don't forget to home base that scout in honghu
John says:
scout is independant
Couch Commander says:
oh, alright
John says:
don't want to home it
Jamski says:
no upkeep EVER
Couch Commander says:
nvm
Couch Commander says:
I read what you just typed
Jamski says:
these soldiers don't get paid or fed
Couch Commander says:
I thought it was from The hive
John says:
changing Jamski production to colony pod
Jamski says:
*produces colony pod*
John says:
newly built scout holds in jamski
Jamski says:
my personal guard
John says:
production switched to colony pod
Jamski says:
get rid of the undesirables in "my" base
John says:
R1
John says:
the drone's scout is just about to embark on the transport
Couch Commander says:
where?
Couch Commander says:
to the north?
John says:
should we continue to guard
Couch Commander says:
north-west
John says:
to the south
Jamski says:
to leave our shores
Couch Commander says:
sorry
Jamski says:
no, use it as extra police for Volt.
John says:
head to north and explore then volt?
Jamski says:
yeah
Vev says:
So when till SP commencement?
Couch Commander says:
I would move it south to patrol that shore
Jamski says:
as soon as this pod is finished
Jamski says:
start crawlers after pods for all bases
Vev says:
do we have enough formers?
Jamski says:
no
Jamski says:
but the WP will solve that problem
John says:
okay sensor finished near the hive
John says:
moving north and building road
Jamski says:
cool
Jamski says:
but we can't eat roads or sensors
John says:
okay all our bases are building colony pods
Vev says:
That lush green fertile valley, crawl it?
John says:
we finish planetary networks next turn
Jamski says:
crawl these minerals on the rocks
John says:
can someone check our turn update
John says:
or are you going for force me to close AC down
John says:
and look at it myself
John says:
I'm certain we forgot something
Jamski says:
I'm looking
Jamski says:
Voltariograd

finish colony pod that will go to B1

Start building weather paradigm

formers need to forest 2 surrounding squares

needs more police in the future
Jamski says:
The Hive

finish colony pod that will go to B2

Build crawlers to assist with WP in Voltariograd
Jamski says:
Kommunizma City

finish building colony pod that will go to B3

build crawlers to assist voltariograd

John says:
umm not the build queues
Jamski says:
Jamski Clove

finish scout

build colony pod

Jamski says:
no?
Jamski says:
What else do you want?
Jamski says:
Name correction "Feckin' Cheeky Tower"
- Landmark Naming

Jamski says:
Hmmm?
Vev says:
John is whacking away
Jamski says:
that means something rude
Vev says:
ambigious
John says:
killing mosquitos
Vev says:

Jamski says:
ummm......
John says:
ummm yeah
John says:
ahh landmark renaming
Jamski says:
Mountain from the eathquake?
John says:
can someone go back to googlie's post and see about his suggested landmark names
Jamski says:
new lake?
Jamski says:
NO
Jamski says:
We can do it now
Jamski says:
we have two new landmarks
John says:
fecking adjusted
Vev says:
"Amazing Faulty Pod"
Jamski says:
call the sea between us and the Drones the "strait of brotherhood"
Jamski says:
And the lake : Chairmans Plumbing Nightmare
Vev says:
What is the valley currently called?
Jamski says:
"Amazing Faulty Pod"
Jamski says:
Forlani's Lush Valley
Jamski says:

Jamski says:
The Moist Cleft
John says:
we can't name that section yet
John says:
the moist cleft heh
Jamski says:
It has to be
Vev says:
has anyone done a quick SE ec/psych/research scale setting check?
Jamski says:
no?!?!
Jamski says:
John?
John says:
yeah
John says:
we're set for max research without energy loss
Jamski says:
that's the best
John says:
with all our bases size one it works fine
Vev says:
Hive EFFICIENY!
Jamski says:
we need to swith to weath
Jamski says:
LOADSA MONEY
Jamski says:

John says:
I know
John says:
next turn you have to remember to accept immediately
Jamski says:
every base is running -1ec
John says:
on the SE change
John says:
otherwise it costs 40 extra EC to switch to wealth
Jamski says:
yes, then we get it for that turn too.
Jamski says:
and not for the next turn
Jamski says:
so...
John says:
huh
John says:
we get planned next turn and wealth
Jamski says:
GREAT
John says:
so need two SE switches
John says:
but we need to switch to planned straight away
Jamski says:
more growth and industry
John says:
otherwise it costs heaps of money to switch
Jamski says:
yes
John says:
we can't switch to planned during our turn
Jamski says:
no
Jamski says:
only at the begginning
John says:
we need to switch while still in diplomancy screen
Jamski says:
or we'll be crying with poorness
John says:
okay since nobody is organise at all

Couch Commander has left the conversation.

Jamski says:
I'm ORGANised
John says:
I'm just going to finish this turn double check the post
John says:
right ....
Jamski says:
check all the stockpiles
John says:
I have
Jamski says:

Vev says:
screen shots?
Vev says:
for turn update?
Jamski says:
please
John says:
voltigrad just grew
Jamski says:
is that good?
Vev says:
any city in danger of drone riot?
John says:
merchant exchange being built by angels and drones
Jamski says:
its a bluff
John says:
jamski clove is in danger next turn
Jamski says:
of?
John says:
but the scout we finished should take care of it
Jamski says:
a riot?
John says:
yeah
Jamski says:
not in Jamski Clovek!
John says:
but the scout will act as police
Jamski says:
*phew*
Vev says:
I guess the scout is in the city now?
Vev says:
or will be?
John says:
yeah
Jamski says:
so, are we in agreement and concluded?
Vev says:
landmarks?
Jamski says:
Moist Cleft
Jamski says:
OH GOD PLEASE Moist Cleft
Jamski says:
Or Forlani's Valley
John says:
yeah
John says:
I'm looking at the drone's turn
John says:
though the pact inflitration
Vev says:
mutual intelligence
Jamski says:
and... what do you see?
Vev says:
you may have known the Drones have Uranium flats
Jamski says:
no
Jamski says:
NO !
Jamski says:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vev says:
view from city profile
Jamski says:
couple that with the ME
Jamski says:
BIG CREDITS
Vev says:
ME is not in uranium flat base
Vev says:
it is in the river infest capital city
Jamski says:
should be, if they have half a brain
Jamski says:
NO!
Jamski says:
RIVERS!
Vev says:
John will have fun reading this once he alt-tabbed
Jamski says:
hehe
Jamski says:
I'll have to edit it for the log.... or maybe I won't bother
John says:
next turn we need to switch SE settings to
John says:
40% 60%
Jamski says:
why?
Jamski says:
to get cash?
John says:
because +1 economy
John says:
means more energy
Jamski says:
aha
John says:
and we start losing energy due to energy going into pysch
Jamski says:
but... well we can play with the settings next turn
Jamski says:
its not "lost" into psych - its just a better use of some of the innefficeny

You are having temporary network problems and are no longer in this conversation.

Jamski says:
so, are we all done?
John says:
just about
John says:
I've just realised something
Jamski says:
wahT?
John says:
I think the drones are going to hit 1st out of the human players in the power graph in 2 turns
John says:
and we're going to hit 2nd
Jamski says:
really?
Jamski says:
NO
John says:
and it's mainly going to be because of commerce
Jamski says:
Because of the pact, and the tech boost
John says:
we're going to get +5 energy from the drones
John says:
and drones get +7 energy

Vev has been added to the conversation.

Jamski says:
about fair
John says:
okay well I'm going to end turn and save

TurnCAT(rabbit) from 31-07-2003

-Jam

[Snowflake]

"alivia covena"
I feel you are more human now, dear Comrade Kody.

Oh don't worry about me. I have some RL family business to tend to. I'm feeling real good that all the big people are recovered from SASS now. Comrade Kody could really use some help.

[Snowflake]

One more thing, because people can read ingame communications, please advice the Drones to use the diplomatic box as little as possible.

[Kody]

Turn chat in 1 hour and a half, hopefully.

Kody

[Kody]

HongHu,

Log on to MSN if you can now!

Kody

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And HongHu leaves.....

Kody
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Vev,

Log on to .... errr.... darn you and your lack of communication when you're at home.

I'm on IRC as Kody on the uq irc server.... Or we could have an email turn chat.

Kody

[Vev]

Yay! No MSN at home.

[Kody]

Log onto the mango server.

Then type "talk xue"

Kody

[Vev]

Kody
I would like someone to make the log of it.

Vev
Sure

Kody
Accept planetary networks and switch to planned economy Switch research to IA and got it. Switched to wealth with 50/0/50 setting. It gives the same output as 40/0/60. Biogentics chosen for next tech.

Vev
Good

Kody
HongHu KongHu switched to build crawlers.

Vev
Can you remind me why

Kody
To crawl in those mineral bonuses

Vev
Okay

Kody
Rover is heading south to explore land, the other is heading up river

Kommie city is switching to build a crawler instead to crawl in that mine.

The Hive is building a crawler instead of colony.

Vev
Why?

Kody
Because The Hive will lose 5 minerals while waiting for the base to grow. The crawler can be used to get more minerals and help build a colony at 8 minerals per turn. and colony pod only costs 21 minerals. south of the hive is a mineral resource

Vev
Sure

Kody
okay moving former near Jamski clove north it's going to build a sensor array.
the former near kommie has finished building a sensor array. it's moving to build a forest on the nearby nut.
The former near the hive has finished building a road. It's moving south again to road the way to the sensor array near the hive. We regain a colony pod turn that way.
Basically we've lost 1 colony pod turn and gotten a crawler out of it.
actually 2 colony pod turns because the energy I spent rushing the crawler a little.

Sending IA to buster.

CyCon have started the HGP.
I wonder if we can beat the CyCon to the HGP.

Vev
Hopefully

Kody
anyway that's the end of the turn.

so can you post that to the boards. actually I'm going to rush the colony pod in voltiograd.

That's about it.

[Snowflake]

Sorry dear Kody I didn't get time to read the forums this morning. I wouldn't have had the time to do the turn chat though. Glad that you were able to do it with Comrade Vev.

One thought about HGP. The only two ways I think we'll be able to beat CC to it is: first using Fricky cheeky tower's two mineral resources (r/m them first) with crawlers in the surrounding city, and second if we use Voltairograd we have to stop everything else in evey bases and build crawlers first. I guess it's ok if we can't beat them, just switch to WP and we'll do VW later.

[Kody]

Preturn Chat

John says:
honghu pointed one out
Jamski says:
what?
John says:
basically she pointed out how to speed the SP building by 2 turns
Jamski says:
nice
Jamski says:
how?
Vev says:
Squids?
Jamski says:
we should rename all crawlers "squids"
John says:
basically make use of the minerals earlier by building a crawler at Freckin instead of a colony pod
Jamski says:
aha, well, we don't want too many bases do we?
John says:
yeah
John says:
so while I was testing HongHu's idea
Vev says:
do we now need the colony near The Hive because of drone problems?
Jamski says:
build them anyway, drone problems or not
John says:
I found that at 9 bases we get 5 bases with 1 drones at size 1
John says:
the colony near the hive is fine
John says:
I'm cutting the B4 site
John says:
which is dubious anyway
Jamski says:
for now, but later...
John says:
yeah
Jamski says:
we should get the HGP, so we can still expand like mad
John says:
if we can get the HGP then we can ICS much more
John says:
yeah
Vev says:
GO HGP
John says:
with honghu's idea we might be able to get WP and HGP too
Vev says:
Human Growth Protiens
Jamski says:
is this true that we are now no1 on the powergraph?
John says:
nope
John says:
no1 out of human factions
John says:
AI is still ahead
Jamski says:
its just Hive propaganda then...
John says:
because of googlie's work
Jamski says:
oh
John says:
next turn drones equal us
Jamski says:
Go Hive, from last, to FIRST!
Jamski says:
but we the Drones, right?
Jamski says:
right ?
John says:
well we wouldn't want them to get jealous
Jamski says:
no, we want them to feel they are getting a good deal out of us
Vev says:
"Hand in hand in lead"
Jamski says:
"Together in brotherhood to victory"
John says:
yeah basically
John says:
so Jamski about that turn stuff?
Vev says:
Go West, where the fields are green?
Jamski says:
go for it, but John...
John says:
yeah I don't intend to cut out turn chats
John says:
I just want to sleep without waking up and worrying about the turn
Jamski says:
try and keep the turn chat...
John says:
well worrying less about the turn.
John says:
I don't think I'll be able to stop worrying
Jamski says:
OK, then we should have an agreement that we wait for you for the turnchat always
John says:
okay yep
John says:
and I'll always make sure that either vev, Jamski, Couch, or chairman is at the turn chat?
Jamski says:
yep
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Vev says:
Any chance we might nab WP, HGP and VW?
Jamski says:
would be nice, but I think after we nab one, then the others will change to grab the next ones
Vev says:
we might nab 2
Vev says:
but 3???
Jamski says:
its pushing things a bit
Jamski says:
We should try for it, at this stage int the game a failed SP bid ALWAYS havs another SP we can change to
Vev says:
Command centre?
Vev says:
Maratime Control Centre will be quite useful
Vev says:
+2 move will rock
Jamski says:
useful, but not essential. Combined with chaning to "power" and a single monolith upgrade gives Elite troops, IIRC
Jamski says:
Now that rocks
Vev says:
which tech have marines?
John says:
we should be able to get 3
Jamski says:
optimist
Vev says:
5!
John says:
well while I'm running the turns
Jamski says:
I bet the Drones are saying the same...
John says:
actually optimisim would be 4
Jamski says:
I think two
John says:
well do you thinking anyone will be getting loyalty anytime soon?
Jamski says:
but the more the merrier...
Jamski says:
um, probably not, so command center should be LOW proirity
Jamski says:
that's a good back-up if we HAVE to switch
John says:
I predict once we get our industry crawlers running
John says:
we should be able to build a smaller SP in * turns
John says:
just from the minerals we crawl
Jamski says:
too many crawlers early on can cripple in the long run
John says:
crawlers are going to be used to cash in
John says:
for SP
Jamski says:
don't forget we need to get SOME base facuties
John says:
so what are you suggesting?
Jamski says:
like nodes, rec tanks, commons, tree farms
Jamski says:
I suggest we don't have every base building crawlers
John says:
what break down from 8 bases
Jamski says:
Maybe each base could take a break from crawlers to build a rec tank, for example
John says:
sure
Jamski says:
and we need twice as many bases too
Vev says:
commons?
John says:
HGP hopefully
Vev says:
or HGP handle that?
Jamski says:
commons also v.good
John says:
if we miss it then commons
Jamski says:
then we can grow to 4-5 with one police
John says:
for the next ** years can we concentrate on crawlers
John says:
because I intend to cash them in
Jamski says:
and SOME pods, please
John says:
for SPs
John says:
we've got 2 pods going out in a few turns
Jamski says:
we should fill up the island too
Jamski says:
keep AT LEAST two base on pod production
Jamski says:
and the new bases can build a pod and a former each too
John says:
how about the four extra drones that get created when we make our 9th base
Jamski says:
build the bases anyway
John says:
hrmm
John says:
reasoning?
Jamski says:
even a base with the only worker as a doctor is making SOME energy and minerals
Jamski says:
and these bases simply need an extra sout patrol as police
John says:
we can churn out pods in 2 turns once we got our industry down.
John says:
2 turns to build in 3 of our bases
Jamski says:
BUT, what's impoetant in this game is TURN ADVATAGE - its better to have the bases before
Jamski says:
rather than later
John says:
well the turn advantage in the next 5 years is actually in crawlers
John says:
I'm certain of that
John says:
because we have the 7 mineral mines
Jamski says:
ok, go crawler crazy, but... keep SOME bases on pods, please
John says:
yeah 2 bases are building pods
Jamski says:
get the continenet filled as soon as possible
John says:
question
John says:
should we try and get the HGP done first
Jamski says:
yes?
John says:
before expanding beyond 8 bases.
John says:
we can do the WP 2nd
Jamski says:
I think its very useful, it can DOUBLE the effectiveness of small bases on Trancend
John says:
but we might lose the WP
Jamski says:
we MUST get both, then
John says:
which one is more important
Jamski says:
Wp
Jamski says:
we can always build more police than the other factions put together
John says:
if we can get HGP and WP in ****
Jamski says:
what year are we now?
John says:
would you agree to hold off the 9th base
John says:
we're in 2126
Jamski says:
*** TURNS!
Jamski says:
to get BOTH?
Jamski says:
are you sure?
John says:
well definitely have all the crawlers ready
John says:
moving the crawlers may take another 2 years
John says:
so **** really to get the 2nd
Jamski says:
sweet Jesus on his moped
Jamski says:
ok
John says:
sshh I don't want it getting out
Vev says:
You can trust me :0
Vev says:
blody smilies
Jamski says:
if that is the case, but then after that all bases build 1 pod each
Jamski says:

John says:
yeah definitely
John says:
but maybe we could get a 3rd project
John says:
after that in ****
Jamski says:
cool, maybe we could actually win?
John says:
like the PTS
Vev says:
the CYcon/pirates are scary
Vev says:
or VW?
John says:
nah VW is nice, but... well
John says:
VW can't benifit us early game
John says:
well not for at least a couple of years
Jamski says:
they would both be nice, but we'll have to see. After ** turns, another faction bight have a SP half built...
John says:
well the thing is the half build SP will have to be switched to a more expensive SP
Jamski says:
and then change, or rush, and then we don't HAVE that choice any more.
John says:
if we manage to nab HGP and WP
John says:
the drones get merchant exchange
Jamski says:
but the other factions will be getting crawlers soon, or at least more cash than us for rsuhing
John says:
all cheap SPs are gone
Jamski says:
yep
John says:
actually we get alot of cash
Jamski says:
OK, do we get WP or HGP first? Which is more important
John says:
from the stockpile
Jamski says:
Personally I always get WP first
John says:
because in a few more turns we're churning out crawlers one every * turns.
John says:
and the stockpile is getting us about 5-6 energy every time a crawler finishes
John says:
that's the reason why I think we might be able to get the two SP in ** years
Vev says:
BOREHOLES!
Jamski says:
sure, so we could perhaps rush a SP...
Jamski says:
it has to be the WP, so we can get the bore holes going
John says:
nah putting the money back into the crawlers
John says:
rushing crawlers
John says:
because the crawlers are rushed for 2.55 EC per mineral
John says:
while SP are rushed for 4 EC per mineral
Jamski says:
oh yeah, I remember your maths
John says:
we don't really have that many formers
Jamski says:
but consider the small rush if the Sp is "not quite" finished, so we'd get it a turn earlier
John says:
HGP is more useful
John says:
oh that won't be the case Jamski
John says:
it's just a matter of cashing an extra crawler in
Jamski says:
Wp is essential for me - I often quit if I don't get it.
John says:
we could get a SP in 3131
John says:
but that ruins are industry
Jamski says:
then lets get the WP
Jamski says:
do the maths
John says:
ruins are industry rather
John says:
yeah WP first, mainly because it's more important overall
Jamski says:
do we rush for a safe SP, or gamble a bit and go for 2?
John says:
but HGP should follow after in 2 years
Jamski says:
that's NICE
John says:
so the ** year SP plan
Jamski says:
I like it
Jamski says:
but... didn't you say TEN years...
John says:
it takes time moving the crawlers in
John says:
we need to build up our road network
Jamski says:
rover cralers? - oh we don't have mobility
John says:
no rover crawlers are not good for us
John says:
the stockpile energy is less
Jamski says:
really?
John says:
and fewer crawlers
John says:
yeah stockpile is every time a crawler completes
Jamski says:
I never play stockpile ec, so I don't know Jack about it
John says:
the stockpile is part of the reason why it's so high
John says:
I mean our development
Jamski says:
but if everyone's doing it
John says:
yeah but others can't finish a crawler every 2 turns
John says:
and in multiple cities
John says:
we actually get more energy from the stockpile than are economy
Jamski says:
we don't KNOW what the others are capale of
John says:
the our economy
John says:
we'll maybe the drones could do it
Jamski says:
and if the Drones can, then the uni too?
John says:
uni doesn't have +3 industry
Jamski says:
but they do have more cash...
John says:
also the drones don't have the mines that we have
Jamski says:
nice minerals
Jamski says:
*loves minerals*

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Couch Commander says:
so how exactly did we manage to get the top rating?
Couch Commander says:
our new cities?
John says:
nah it's actually because of our pact
Couch Commander says:
that would do it
John says:
the trading
John says:
and the commerce
Vev says:
and the Spam
Couch Commander says:
that must have been it
John says:
we got 3 turns in the last few turns
John says:
we got 3 techs in the last few turns
Vev says:
glitch in the matrix!
Vev says:
oh, it just Joohn
Couch Commander says:
lol
John says:
don't mind me I'm just putting a wall where there wasn't one before.
Couch Commander says:
ok...
John says:
oh and adding a PB to Jamski clove
Couch Commander says:
ooohhh
Couch Commander says:
a PB
Couch Commander says:
lol
Couch Commander says:
fun
Vev says:
is it Schulz?
Couch Commander says:
so which city are scraping?
Couch Commander says:
it's not one we have built right..
Couch Commander says:
?
John says:
nah it's the B4 site
John says:
right at the top of middle right of the map
Couch Commander says:
kewl
John says:
there's B4
John says:
we not going to build it
Couch Commander says:
sounds good
John says:
it was a dodgy spot anyway
Couch Commander says:
dodgy is right
John says:
vev remember you did the tests with the senor arrays
John says:
did the sensor arrays protect on the 2 diagonals?
Couch Commander says:
how long till jamski clove is done it's colony pod?
Couch Commander says:
and if I may, b2 is a really horrible base site
John says:
we'll like 6-8 turns
John says:
do you think we should scrap the b2 base site and instead go for B3
John says:
b2 is good because we can get a city really fast
Vev says:
I forgot
Couch Commander says:
no, explore up north there and just move B4
Couch Commander says:
and scrap b2
John says:
so still build B4?
John says:
and scrap b2
Couch Commander says:
just don;t finalize the site till we've explored
John says:
the reason why I wanted to do B2
John says:
is because we can build it on 2 turns
John says:
and have good resources
John says:
the B4 site needs to have a former make resources
Couch Commander says:
it wouldn't grow at all very well
John says:
and will take another 8 years
John says:
the monolith
Couch Commander says:
the Hive will be using that shortly no?
John says:
not if the hive is producing B4
John says:
maybe we should scrap the B2 and B4 sites
John says:
and go for B3 and B1?
Couch Commander says:
we have three colony pods coming off the line though
Couch Commander says:
we want three sites
Couch Commander says:
I say we go for b1 and b3, and just move b4
John says:
three sites gives us 4 extra drones that need to be taken care of
Couch Commander says:
yea
Couch Commander says:
true
Couch Commander says:
okl
Couch Commander says:
well scarp b4 and b2 then
Couch Commander says:
and move b1 one square north-west by the by
John says:
okay and send a colony pod from feckin?
Couch Commander says:
feckin and voltario grad
Couch Commander says:
switch jamski to someting else
John says:
hrmm the thing about moving B1
John says:
b1 already has a sensor built
Couch Commander says:
that is more centred in the open space
Couch Commander says:
oh no don't tell me
Couch Commander says:
why did you guys want to put it there?
John says:
because it was before the earthquake
John says:
and it's not about centering it in the open space
John says:
it was about ICS
Couch Commander says:
ok, if you feel that is the best place for it
John says:
also the place you wanted to put it was rolling
Vev says:
can The Hive switch to crawlers with no penalty?
John says:
I decided B1 because the rolling may be a nice resource to put a working on
Couch Commander says:
it already has
John says:
the hive has already switched to crawler with no real penalty
John says:
so which base sites do you think we should build?
Couch Commander says:
b1 and b3
Couch Commander says:
expand westward
Couch Commander says:
then we can backfill later
Couch Commander says:
and we should consider moving your HQ
Couch Commander says:
*our
John says:
*ponder*
John says:
okay so hive doesn't build a colony pod
Couch Commander says:
yea
Couch Commander says:
only feckin and voltario
John says:
hive builds a former instead
John says:
feckin is busy next turn
Couch Commander says:
?
John says:
it's going to switch to crawler first
Couch Commander says:
oh alright
John says:
because then it can make faster use of the minerals
Couch Commander says:
so you want colony pods from jamski and voltario?
John says:
nah I think hive will switch to former
John says:
then jamski will switch to crawler, since it's so slow in building anyway
John says:
feckin will build a colony pod after the crawler
Couch Commander says:
ok
John says:
actually we need another former to prep the B3 site.... maybe
Couch Commander says:
re: voltariograd, send it's scout with the pod and build a new one right away
Couch Commander says:
a new scout that is
Couch Commander says:
that way we don't risk our pod in movement
John says:
we don't risk it anyway
John says:
it doesn't travel over fungus
Couch Commander says:
close enough, I've had pods killed by worms in fungus when it was moving by it
John says:
yeah but rare native life
Couch Commander says:
it's up to you
Couch Commander says:
I wouldn't risk it
Couch Commander says:
voltariograd can pump out another scout in what? 4 turns?
John says:
nope
John says:
5 turns
Couch Commander says:
lol, not bad for an educated guess...
John says:
but it only takes 2 turns to move the colony pod to the B1 site
Couch Commander says:
down river?
John says:
and by the time the scout arrives B1 will have finished the former and a scout too boot
Couch Commander says:
alrighty
John says:
yeah down the river to the B1 site
Couch Commander says:
so you want to build scout, former in B1?
John says:
yeah
John says:
former immediately and then scout pretty much straight after that
Couch Commander says:
ok, that should work then, but remember i warned you against moving pods unprotected
John says:
scout will take 2 turns after the former
John says:
okay I'll take the fall if the colony pod is killed in time it takes to move
Couch Commander says:
or if the base is sitting there empty...
Couch Commander says:

John says:
it only sits empty for 2 turns
Couch Commander says:
ok, then there shouldn't be a problem
John says:
actually 1 turn
John says:
because there's a former in the base
John says:
the first turn
Couch Commander says:
former doesn't stop much
John says:
yeah ture
John says:
2 turns ...
Couch Commander says:
alright
Couch Commander says:
well if you feel we will be ok
Vev says:
unless there is creche
John says:
we're not building a creche before we build the scout
Vev says:
hmmm elite formers
Couch Commander says:
lol
Couch Commander says:
I'd have to agree with John on that count...
John says:
also we would have to wait 15 turns
John says:
before the drones research that
Couch Commander says:
when and where are we starting WP?
John says:
voltaograd starts WP about ****
John says:
it finishes it ****
Couch Commander says:
that works
Couch Commander says:
lol
Couch Commander says:
I like those numbers
John says:
and starts HPG in ****
John says:
and finishes it it **** hopefully
Couch Commander says:
I must applaud your skills kody
Couch Commander says:
very impressive
John says:
not yet
John says:
I still have to make it happen
John says:
I may be off by a year
Couch Commander says:
I will feel supremely confident with you controlling things back in the hive mainland if we ever go to war
John says:
the cycon won't be happy
John says:
if we manage to nab the HGP before they do.

John says:
I liked the B1 base site more than the B3 site
Couch Commander says:
lol
Couch Commander says:
well, if that is your fetish
Couch Commander says:
go for it
John says:
it gives more of a turn advantage
John says:
but you're right in that B3 needs to be built
John says:
maybe scrap the B1 site
John says:
and instead head for the B3 site and keep the B2 site?
Couch Commander says:
sure

[Vev]

A lot of the spam is missing.

[Kody]

I had to delete more than half the conversation to make the thing fit in one post.

Kody

[Kody]

I'll be unavailable for 14 hours due to sleep then commitments during my morning.

However, hold the turn for me as I will definiately be able to play the turn in 18 hours time from the time of this post.

I'm going to attempt to sleep early and wake up during the night to do the turn.

Kody