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Old June 22, 2003, 17:19   #31
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the brotherhood of the wolves (or something like that) it is french but i have to warn you there are hollywood actors involved
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I love best, when the two together get the fascist into their hands whom they both know from their partisan time.
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Don't know about Asian, German or French but there are interesting non-English films nonetheless. I don't know if these are all available on DVD, but I'd definitely hope so:

"Karakter." Dutch from 1997. Perfectly executed, allegorical about a boy growing up with an absent father. Based on a book and has a very literary style to it - but in a good sense.

"Pusher." Violent, gritty 1996 film about love, money and drug dealing in Copenhagen. A sequel was made ("Bleeder").

"Prisoner of the Mountains." Russo-Kazakh film by Sergei Bodrov. A young Russian conscript is taken prisoner by Muslim fighters in the Caucasus. The director's son stars and died tragically a year ago when shooting another film also in the same area.

I'm trying to think of good new Swedish films, but I'm just out of sync with what they usually come out with. It's either misfiring comedy or (bad) emotionally draining drama, which I suppose is what realism amounts to in Sweden.
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2002 was a great year for film - and the French work "Eight Women" was, in my mind, one of the highlights.

Also, Jeunet is working on a new world war one film - one to look out for, for sure!
I was somewhat disappointed by Eight Women, I guess in part because I expected it to be better with such a stellar cast. The acting was still fine, but the idea didn't really excite me all that much, and I never really got involved with the characters to the extent necessary to suspend disbelief. On the whole though, I like a lot of French films. I'm looking forward to the WWI film.
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The German movie "Lola rennt" (http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/mo.../run_lola.html) and the French "Brotherhood of the wolves" (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheB...eWolf-1111814/) for example.....
In the U.S. Lola Rennt is called "Run Lola, Run". It's very good.
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Has anyone seen the French movie "Germinal"? It is a movie about miners that revolt against their oppressive boss in the late 1800's. It is rather dark, but thought-provoking. Especially good for all you communists/socialists.
Or you could simply ride a bus across the country with a group of insurance salesmen, your choice.
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Someone has.
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Karakter is a dutch-Belgian co-poduction btw. (not very important, but we don't always get the credit we deserve )
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Uncle Sparky, yes, I agree. City of God is very good. One of those movies I thought afterwards 'wow, this was a really good movie in a long long time'.

Good Finnish movie: Winter War
Winter War is a good movie with a good sense of humor. I quite enjoyed it.
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Movies I have enjoyed:

France:

Ridicule
La Femme Nikita
Metro
Delicatessen
City of Lost Children
Amelie
Ridicule
The Horseman
The Dinner Game

German:

Das Boot
Wings of Desire
So Far Away, So Close

Japanese:

Yojimbo
Seven Samurai
Dreams
Ran
Kagamusha

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Wild Strawberries
The Virgin Spring
The Seventh Seal
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And how could I forget The Dinner's Game, an extremely funny movie (I don't know if it can export that well though). Original title : "Le dîner de cons"
Ooh, that one was great.

Also, I've recently seen a movie called Le Bossu. It was a nice movie http://www.allocine.fr/film/fichefil...film=8506.html. Yes, I'm too lazy to find an english version of the synopsis right now.
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hey Sikander, check out some Truffaut! Check out Jules and Jim! If you want something lighter, Small Change is awesome too. The 400 Blows is excellent as well, although dark.
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Please do add "nachtevaken" (sp?)to that list, (there is a remake with Henri winkler called 'nightshift or graveyardshift' something like that.
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hey Sikander, check out some Truffaut! Check out Jules and Jim! If you want something lighter, Small Change is awesome too. The 400 Blows is excellent as well, although dark.
If I enjoy checking out his films as much as I enjoy checking out his widow it should be a treat. There's one really good video place in town, they should have some there. Thanks for the tips, my GF and I have been having a hard time finding things to see recently.
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Jules and Jim would be an interesting movie to watch with a girlfriend... The basic message I got from it is that adultery fücks up your life.
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The Virgin Spring
The Seventh Seal
I absolutely second those, Bergman is brilliant, and also try Persona and Fanny och Alexander. I'm less of a fan of The Virgin Spring, though it's worth a watch.
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Please do add "nachtevaken" (sp?)to that list, (there is a remake with Henri winkler called 'nightshift or graveyardshift' something like that.
Nattevagten (The Night Watchman) is Danish though, but yeah it's very good.
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ah, "to home" (chibehroh)? i've heard good things about that one, but i haven't seen it yet. i have to get the dvd first.

a few other movies i want to look into are battle royale, as monolith said (japanese), which, iirc, involves taking a bunch of deliquents, dropping them on an island, and playing survivor of sorts. there's also kazoku cinema, which deals with a korean-japanese family.

then there's hero (i believe that's the name?) from china.
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I thought Germinal was dull. A friend of mine rented it, and he liked it, but I apparantly wasn't in the mood, or it was just dull. Could be either really.
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Jules and Jim would be an interesting movie to watch with a girlfriend... The basic message I got from it is that adultery fücks up your life.
I've been seeing a lot of films like that recently, most recently "The Good Girl", which was pretty good actually. My girlfriend will probably like "Jules and Jim", if for no other reason than it's French, which she speaks pretty well.
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I absolutely second those, Bergman is brilliant, and also try Persona and Fanny och Alexander. I'm less of a fan of The Virgin Spring, though it's worth a watch.
I saw The Virgin Spring when I had just turned 17 and was on my own for the first time. It was the first time that I had ever seen a Bergman film, and the beautiful black and white photography and the simplicity and stolidness of the characters just got to me. My favorite scene is the one where the father realizes what has happened to his daughter, and takes a sauna to cleanse himself, gets his best sharp knife and...does his duty without regret or remorse. Brilliant, and very moving to my teenage self.
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France:

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La Femme Nikita
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Amelie
Ridicule
The Horseman
The Dinner Game
Ridicule really deserves to be mentioned twice, an outstanding and incredibly funny movie.

Rashomon is missing from the Japanese list BTW.


Nobody mentioned Luis de Funes films yet. I love the one where he's testing food.
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All Akira Kurosawa's Movies...

Wong Kar Wai's "Fallen Angel" (a real gem)

If you like old movies (to be seen in original version):

French Movies
Jour de fête (Tati)
Les vacances de Mr Hulot (Tati)
Mon Oncle (Tati)
Playtime (Tati)

Les Barbouzes (Lautner & Audiard)
Les tontons flingueurs (Lautner & Audiard)
100.000 dollars au soleil (Lautner & Audiard)
Le cave se rebiffe

L'homme de rio (The man from Rio) (De Broca)
Un taxi pour Tobrouk (De la Patelière)
La Grande Illusion (J. Renoir)
Quai des Orfèvres
Le Doulos (J.P Melville)
La métmorphose des cloportes (P. Granier-Deferre)
Razzia sur la Chnouf (H. Decoin)

More recent movies:

Cuisine et Dépendance
Un air de famille
Le cinquième élément (the fifth element)

Italian Movies (do yourself a favor, see them in Original version)

8 1/2 (Fellini)
La Dolce Vita (Fellini)... a legendary masterpiece
E la Nave Va (Fellini)

I can't resist the temptation to write I am a fan of the 1950's and 1960's american movies and that the best movie I have ever seen is The cat on a hot tin roof (R. Brooks) based on a Tenessee Williams' play.

The problem is I have seen many, many good movies and I can't really remember their title at this moment... this list is reflecting the name of the movies that came to my mind during the last minutes.

And sorry for the french titles but many are difficult to translate and should have a very, very different title in English...
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Well, like all movies, it is probably best in the original language. The first time I saw it, was when I was living in France. My french literature class went to the theater to see the movie. My teacher thought the movie was great, cause she loved the anti-capitalist and socialist message. As an American, I thought the anti-capitalist message sucked! Here, you have this stranger who waltzes into town, starts spreading his communist message, gets the miners to revolt against the CEO of the mining company. The CEO brings out the military and responds with force, causing a blood bath. When it is all done, and hundreds of the miners are dead, the stranger escapes, waltzing into the sunset, saying that perhaps someday justice and equality will blossom from all the oppression. WTF? Hundreds of people are dead because of his "stand up against the evil capitalist" message, and he justs waltzes into the sunset hoping for a better day. I thought it was terrible, but my teachers loved it. They thought it was inspiring and though-provoking. I was thought it was stupid.
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Tamerlin's other films are, well, old (that doesn't make any less good, but I can't help but feeling a bit like watching a museum piece when I watch them ), but Un Air de Famille is a must.
Btw, the director has also directed The Spanish Apartment (Originial title : "L'Auberge Espagnole") that Drake Tungsten already mentioned.
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Well, I must admit I appreciate the old movies more than the modern ones (though a few ones are really great, like "american beauty", "Usual Suspects", "LA Confidential", "Fargo", "The Big Lebowsky"...) where the scenario are often more than "light"... I am not bothered by black&white and I really like the Technicolor...

I like movies to tell me an entertaining story and modern cinema, IMO of course, lacks the quality brought by the great scenario writers of the 1950's and 1960's...
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